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Wouldn’t it make sense that a more popular movie would have a larger Monday drop anyways since there were more people seeing it initially? Like it’s hard to have a big drop if you didn’t have big numbers to start with.
It’s quite typical for a movie of this type to do most of its business on its opening weekend, that’s why so much importance is placed on the opening weekend figures. The simple truth is that Captain Marvel has not only done very well at the box office, it has exceeded most people’s expectations.
I saw it last night. I enjoyed it. It’s not my new favourite MCU movie, but I don’t expect every new MCU movie to be my new favourite MCU movie. I like how it filled in more details on the Cosmic side of things, always my favourite part of Marvel.
Very much looking forward to Endgame now, but given recent news, I’m looking forward to Guardians of the Galaxy 3 even more.
In all fairness, How to Train Your Dragon 3 and Lego Movie 2 are both animated kids films. These are expected to have much larger falls on Mondays, especially during the school year. They depend more on weekend sales. Not to mention that they are sequels, and as a general rule each progressive sequel falls more than the movie before it.
As for the rest of the list, Thor, Logan, and Iron Man 2 & 3 are pretty bad movies. GotG2, Age of Ultron, Spiderverse, and Dr. Strange are passable, but not "good". Setting this as the bar is hardly fair.
As for the studio buying tickets, there were many theaters reporting that dozens of paid-for seats from online ticket sales were no-shows, and these no shows happened in about the same quantity for every showing over the opening weekend. Did a conspiracy actually happen? Maybe, likely not, but let's play devil' advocate and see what it would take. On opening weekend of a major release a studio's take of the ticket price is about 90%. Average ticket price in the US is $8.50. All they'd be loosing is 85 cents per seat. For $750,000 (less than 0.5% of their budget) they could buy 882,000 seats and inflate their own sales by $7.5 million. But why would they do this? Well, at one point the movie was estimated to have a $190 million opening, and then started to plummet quickly. Some estimates put it lower than $100 million. Inflating your own sales numbers could stop a self-fulfilling prophecy of people not going simply because it wasn't selling well.
(sigh) Wouldn't it be great if, just once in a while, someone on the internet who makes a dumb assertion and has it proved wrong with statistics and comon sense could just admit they were wrong? Doesn't have to be a public self-flagellation, just something like "Hey guys, looks like I was wrong about this movie. It's not my thing, but I'm glad you got another decent-to-great superhero movie to enjoy."
I wonder when I started to regard that sort of response (rather than digging in and breaking out fresh conspiracy theories) as something rare and exceptional on the internet?
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Elemental wrote: I wonder when I started to regard that sort of response (rather than digging in and breaking out fresh conspiracy theories) as something rare and exceptional on the internet?
The 1990s?
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I wonder when I started to regard that sort of response (rather than digging in and breaking out fresh conspiracy theories) as something rare and exceptional on the internet?
Well I was proven correct in everything I said on the matter.
Brie larson would upset people if not kept in check by the studio, she did
"Fat chance" of this movie failing due to the momentum behind it
some people did not like the marketing of the film for a multitude of reasons, however the political marketing campaign seems to have worked just like it did with black panther, but has alienated an unknown number of the fanbase, I am interested in seeing the repercussions of this from both marvel and the fan base.
RT was caught mucking with the audience score on a live stream, so no longer a conspiracy theory, proven fact, the part that is up for debate it for what reason, since allegedly two disney execs have admitted to having RT monkey with the score, I have yet to find a reliable source for this though.
Spoiler:
"But perhaps more importantly, steps were taken to mitigate any troll effect on "Captain Marvel." Two studio executives who spoke anonymously because they weren't authorized to speak about their about their anti-troll efforts, said they've become more adept and prepared for combating organized negativity around a release. There are no more sneak attacks."https://eu.northjersey.com/story/entertainment/movies/2019/03/13/success-captain-marvel-smovie-cores-victory-over-trolls/3156354002/
The critics lied about the movie on political grounds, its right there on RT critic reviews, this one is undeniable anymore
Other critics have admitted to the "access journalism" that we all know goes on and gave it good reviews to maintain that access
there was no pre movie review bomb, the want to see meter was messed with on both ends and eventually removed.
there was no campaign to review bomb the film since when RT removed 50k reviews, the score changed by 4%, now the film sits at a justifiable 62%
RT has zero credibility anymore due to its actions, not that it had much anyway.
So pretty much everything I said would happen, happened, now watch this space for star wars IX, the same thing will happen again, its all pretty interesting to watch at times.
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We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
AduroT wrote: Wouldn’t it make sense that a more popular movie would have a larger Monday drop anyways since there were more people seeing it initially? Like it’s hard to have a big drop if you didn’t have big numbers to start with.
Shhhh, that defeats the whole purpose of their nonsense.
Ah the legendarily effective boycott of a thing after you've paid to see it.
and the follow up.
60% of the time, it works every time.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Did it really alienate people? Did it really really?
Because all I saw was a few people with bees in their pretty floral bonnets sufficiently ‘outraged’ at an opinion they didn’t agree with flail blindly on a third party website.
And how is it too early to tell? Is it’s global box office take so far of $594,642,933, after 9 days, somehow inconclusive of its performance?
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A minority of very vocal people who can’t cope with the fact that some celebrities have opinions they disagree with. I’d put money on the fact that the vast majority of the movie going public were completely oblivious to the manufactured outrage of a few people getting all SJW about Brie Larson’s “racism”.
Because all I saw was a few people with bees in their pretty floral bonnets sufficiently ‘outraged’ at an opinion they didn’t agree with flail blindly on a third party website.
And how is it too early to tell? Is it’s global box office take so far of $594,642,933, after 9 days, somehow inconclusive of its performance?
Yes it absolutely did, but it still made buckets of money, these things are not mutually exclusive as your likely aware, how many people we will never know, this film may have broke the 1 billion mark for all we know had it not alienated parts of the fan base, but now we are dealing in hypotheticals "shrug"
For me the movie was exactly as I expected, overt political tones, bad acting which I blame on bad direction, bad cuts, bad plot and story, wooden brie Larson (again blaming the director for that), retconned the MCU, not enough jackson, too much exposition, long story short it was a run of the mill origin story, average at best but still better than most of the DCEU, it will be forgotten in a few years when all the hub bub dies down.
BUT the Russo brothers are handling end game, I honestly have a lot of hope they can make captain marvel work and by extension brie Larson.
Has anyone noticed that the same people who get pissed when celebrities have opinions that make them go all "ahhh SJWs!" are also the people who go "Everyone in the world is so sensitive these days and you gotta watch what you say or you will offend their delicate sensibilities".
The irony.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
A minority of very vocal people who can’t cope with the fact that some celebrities have opinions they disagree with. I’d put money on the fact that the vast majority of the movie going public were completely oblivious to the manufactured outrage of a few people getting all SJW about Brie Larson’s “racism”.
And you'd win that bet, this is likely why Disney went into damage control to stop this outrage from spilling over into the real world and negatively impacting the movie.
It also didn't have overt political tones. It told that characters story. In the same way that IM 2 was based heavily on Armor Wars and Demon in a Bottle, bit's and pieces of all the things in Captain Marvel reflected stories Carol Danvers has been in.
Spoiler:
She has been used by people as a weapon. She has had her mind messed with. She did get her powers from a Kree device that blew up while Yon Rogg was there. She did have a relationship with Mar Vell that made him/her the most important person in the world to her. The Kree/Skrull war is a thing.
Paying proper homage to the characters actual stories isn't being a political vessel.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: Would you have had a problem with the movie having “overt political tones” had it been politics you agreed with I wonder?
Absolutely, I watch certain movies for certain reasons, pointing out that it has overt political tones does not state whether I agree with them or not, they are there, on the whole it's how it's done that matters to me, I look at ruffalo who is a horrible bigot and seperate him from his work, I do the same for Chris evans who is just an idiot, same with brie Larson, I don't like these 3 people for different reasons but I can still enjoy the characters they portray, brie's mistake was her comment about using the film for activism, that blurs the line, so when a writer inserts these political biases into a film, stupid people will blame brie, I blame the producer, writer, director and marketing for doing a bad job of it, and brie for her own comments, not the movies, I also don't hold her responsible for the bad acting, it's the directors job to get a good scene out of these people, that's why I have hope that she will do well in end game, Russo brothers are excellent
Lance845 wrote: It also didn't have overt political tones. It told that characters story. In the same way that IM 2 was based heavily on Armor Wars and Demon in a Bottle, bit's and pieces of all the things in Captain Marvel reflected stories Carol Danvers has been in.
Spoiler:
She has been used by people as a weapon. She has had her mind messed with. She did get her powers from a Kree device that blew up while Yon Rogg was there. She did have a relationship with Mar Vell that made him/her the most important person in the world to her. The Kree/Skrull war is a thing.
Paying proper homage to the characters actual stories isn't being a political vessel.
And which version are you using of the 8? The one where carol danvers was only captain marvel in an alternate reality then when everything went back to normal she decided she wanted that life and eventually became captain marvel? Or one of the other 7, it's hard to keep up with her story, not anywhere near as bad as X-Men mind you.... That is a headache to follow!
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: If you don’t want ‘overt political tones’, may I suggest that Marvel may not in fact be the company for you?
Because, y’know. It’s all pretty political in origin.
So sayeth the people who only read the wikis and have never read the actual comics, marvel has always done a good job of showing both sides, the MCU showed neither and stayed out of it for the most part, a good thing in this day and age.
As for the comics, that's a totally different problems right now, the whole industry is on its way out sadly, choose your poison for the reason.
It’s still only been out for 9 days. Forbes and others are expecting it to breach £1bn during its theatrical run.
Ergo, it didn’t alienate anyone? Certainly not of any significant number.
We simply cannot know dude, like I said it could have hit the billion dollar mark already but that's dealing in hypotheticals, all we can do is take people at face value and say it did have an impact, to what extent we just cannot know.
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Formosa, it seems like your definition of a “horrible” person is anyone with political views you disagree with. I think you’ve derailed this thread long enough.
Lance845 wrote: It also didn't have overt political tones. It told that characters story. In the same way that IM 2 was based heavily on Armor Wars and Demon in a Bottle, bit's and pieces of all the things in Captain Marvel reflected stories Carol Danvers has been in.
Spoiler:
She has been used by people as a weapon. She has had her mind messed with. She did get her powers from a Kree device that blew up while Yon Rogg was there. She did have a relationship with Mar Vell that made him/her the most important person in the world to her. The Kree/Skrull war is a thing.
Paying proper homage to the characters actual stories isn't being a political vessel.
And which version are you using of the 8? The one where carol danvers was only captain marvel in an alternate reality then when everything went back to normal she decided she wanted that life and eventually became captain marvel? Or one of the other 7, it's hard to keep up with her story, not anywhere near as bad as X-Men mind you.... That is a headache to follow!
Thats not the point. The point is that Iron Man in the movies is not Iron Man in the comics. Demon In a Bottle was not 100% accurate adapted to film. Neither was Armor Wars. But the THEMES of those stories and little elements of it were put into the movie. Tony is an alcoholic in the comics. He had poladium poisoning in the movie. But in both he attempts to push all his friends away and spiral into a suicidal end with Rhodey taking over as Iron Man (Warmachine) and someone else he trusts taking over his company. Bits and pieces of the story happen for different reasons while the base theme carried through the adaptation.
We don't need to story to be carol was in an alternate reality. We just need themes to carry over and major points to hit so their repercussions can help define the character. This movie adapted major elements of her past that help define her in the exact same way that any marvel movie has adapted elements of every other characters stories.
Being upset that those elements were in Captain Marvel is like being upset that Jessica Jones was feminist propaganda because you think it's pushing some kind of feminist man hating agenda when EVERY single male character in season 1 either was working for the male bad guy willingly or not, or a psycho that attacked the 2 main women when he roided out AND shes a rape victim.
No.... Thats just those characters stories adapted to TV. Doing something different wouldn't be telling those characters stories.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: Formosa, it seems like your definition of a “horrible” person is anyone with political views you disagree with. I think you’ve derailed this thread long enough.
Who says I disagree with their political views, if I posted some of the things ruffalo has said on here I would get an instant ban, I also don't like bullies so I think he and Evans are horrible people, larsons words are deplorable, so I think that she is a horrible person, don't hate any of them though, nobody is perfect after all
Over their entire theatrical release, it’s Avengers Assemble, Iron Man 3, Avengers Age Of Ultron, Captain America Civil War, Black Panther and Avengers Infinity War.
So, six. Out of 21 movies. Again. Captain Marvel is only on its 9th day of theatrical release. Did you really expect it to have hit $1bn already? Or is just the new flog you’ve chosen for your dead horse, given the evidence is pretty conclusive that the sad acts claiming they didn’t want to see it have had precisely sod all affect on its take?
If this was the end of its theatrical run, you may have had a point. But it’s not, is it? We’re not even close to that point at the time of writing (Sunday 17th March 2019, for ease of reference for generations to come).
It’s first week drop off, as already covered, is nothing to write home about. And it’s still top of the box office for it.
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MonkeyBallistic wrote: Formosa, it seems like your definition of a “horrible” person is anyone with political views you disagree with. I think you’ve derailed this thread long enough.
Who says I disagree with their political views, if I posted some of the things ruffalo has said on here I would get an instant ban, I also don't like bullies so I think he and Evans are horrible people, larsons words are deplorable, so I think that she is a horrible person, don't hate any of them though, nobody is perfect after all
Thats not the point. The point is that Iron Man in the movies is not Iron Man in the comics. Demon In a Bottle was not 100% accurate adapted to film. Neither was Armor Wars. But the THEMES of those stories and little elements of it were put into the movie. Tony is an alcoholic in the comics. He had poladium poisoning in the movie. But in both he attempts to push all his friends away and spiral into a suicidal end with Rhodey taking over as Iron Man (Warmachine) and someone else he trusts taking over his company. Bits and pieces of the story happen for different reasons while the base theme carried through the adaptation.
Yep all fair enough.
We don't need to story to be carol was in an alternate reality. We just need themes to carry over and major points to hit so their repercussions can help define the character. This movie adapted major elements of her past that help define her in the exact same way that any marvel movie has adapted elements of every other characters stories.
I never said we did, I was asking which version you were talking about, since the 8 versions are all quite different from each other, it adapted major elements of some versions, but not others, so again, which one are we talking about?
Being upset that those elements were in Captain Marvel is like being upset that Jessica Jones was feminist propaganda because you think it's pushing some kind of feminist man hating agenda when EVERY single male character in season 1 either was working for the male bad guy willingly or not, or a psycho that attacked the 2 main women when he roided out AND shes a rape victim.
false equivalence, they are completely different stories, Jessica jones is a much more personal story and bloody well done, captain marvel is not even remotely like that (movie), I wanted a good movie, I paid to see a good movie, I did not get a good movie, so that is reason enough to not be happy, I have come to expect a certain level of skill and storytelling from the MCU, I didnt get that with this film, if you did, cool, no worries.
No.... Thats just those characters stories adapted to TV. Doing something different wouldn't be telling those characters stories.
Nobody has made that argument, I simply asked you which version you were talking about.
Also, I have to laugh at the idea that Captain Marvel is "overtly political". Maybe it's political for the 4chan/incel types and their bizarre war on women not having sex with them and admitting their obvious inferiority, but for everyone else? Hardly. It doesn't really comment on any current political issues, endorse any political parties, etc. It's just a straightforward origin story MCU movie.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Over their entire theatrical release, it’s Avengers Assemble, Iron Man 3, Avengers Age Of Ultron, Captain America Civil War, Black Panther and Avengers Infinity War.
So, six. Out of 21 movies. Again. Captain Marvel is only on its 9th day of theatrical release. Did you really expect it to have hit $1bn already? Or is just the new flog you’ve chosen for your dead horse, given the evidence is pretty conclusive that the sad acts claiming they didn’t want to see it have had precisely sod all affect on its take?
If this was the end of its theatrical run, you may have had a point. But it’s not, is it? We’re not even close to that point at the time of writing (Sunday 17th March 2019, for ease of reference for generations to come).
It’s first week drop off, as already covered, is nothing to write home about. And it’s still top of the box office for it.
How many marvel movies have used this kind of marketing, 1 and this one, the last one was black panther and broke a billion and rightfully so, I honestly expected this film to break a billion and still kind of do, I dont buy into that 72% drop off narrative, give it a couple of weeks and I think we may see it, I just expected it to happen much faster.
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Peregrine wrote: Also, I have to laugh at the idea that Captain Marvel is "overtly political". Maybe it's political for the 4chan/incel types and their bizarre war on women not having sex with them and admitting their obvious inferiority, but for everyone else? Hardly. It doesn't really comment on any current political issues, endorse any political parties, etc. It's just a straightforward origin story MCU movie.
.... thats bait lol, go troll somewhere else peregrine
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Ah yes, a challenge to back up one's claims about the movie being political is definitely "bait" and must be refused. It's much better to be vague about how the movie is objectionable so nobody can disprove any of your claims.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
