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It’s. Nine. Days. Into. It’s. Theatrical. Run.

Nine days. Not nine weeks. Not nine months. Days.

How long was Black Panther’s theatrical release? 25 weeks.... The linked website even provides an interesting weekly breakdown.

Nine days. Nine days Captain Marvel has been out. Expecting it to hit £1bn in that time seems....well, frankly, deliberately ridiculous. As if you’re so determined to show the sad act brigade had an impact that you’ll just keep on shifting the goalposts.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s. Nine. Days. Into. It’s. Theatrical. Run.

Nine days. Not nine weeks. Not nine months. Days.

How long was Black Panther’s theatrical release? 25 weeks.... The linked website even provides an interesting weekly breakdown.

Nine days. Nine days Captain Marvel has been out. Expecting it to hit £1bn in that time seems....well, frankly, deliberately ridiculous. As if you’re so determined to show the sad act brigade had an impact that you’ll just keep on shifting the goalposts.

Did you miss the part where I agreed with you and admitted i was wrong dude ?

I expected something to happen, it did not, ergo i was wrong to expect that, I then went on to say i expect to hit that mark given more time, come on man i am not trying to be argumentative here.

Formosa wrote:

Thats not the point. The point is that Iron Man in the movies is not Iron Man in the comics. Demon In a Bottle was not 100% accurate adapted to film. Neither was Armor Wars. But the THEMES of those stories and little elements of it were put into the movie. Tony is an alcoholic in the comics. He had poladium poisoning in the movie. But in both he attempts to push all his friends away and spiral into a suicidal end with Rhodey taking over as Iron Man (Warmachine) and someone else he trusts taking over his company. Bits and pieces of the story happen for different reasons while the base theme carried through the adaptation.

Yep all fair enough.

We don't need to story to be carol was in an alternate reality. We just need themes to carry over and major points to hit so their repercussions can help define the character. This movie adapted major elements of her past that help define her in the exact same way that any marvel movie has adapted elements of every other characters stories.

I never said we did, I was asking which version you were talking about, since the 8 versions are all quite different from each other, it adapted major elements of some versions, but not others, so again, which one are we talking about?

Being upset that those elements were in Captain Marvel is like being upset that Jessica Jones was feminist propaganda because you think it's pushing some kind of feminist man hating agenda when EVERY single male character in season 1 either was working for the male bad guy willingly or not, or a psycho that attacked the 2 main women when he roided out AND shes a rape victim.

false equivalence, they are completely different stories, Jessica jones is a much more personal story and bloody well done, captain marvel is not even remotely like that (movie), I wanted a good movie, I paid to see a good movie, I did not get a good movie, so that is reason enough to not be happy, I have come to expect a certain level of skill and storytelling from the MCU, I didnt get that with this film, if you did, cool, no worries.

No.... Thats just those characters stories adapted to TV. Doing something different wouldn't be telling those characters stories.

Nobody has made that argument, I simply asked you which version you were talking about.

You are completely missing the point. The POINT of all of that story adaptation stuff is this..

Peregrine wrote:Also, I have to laugh at the idea that Captain Marvel is "overtly political". Maybe it's political for the 4chan/incel types and their bizarre war on women not having sex with them and admitting their obvious inferiority, but for everyone else? Hardly. It doesn't really comment on any current political issues, endorse any political parties, etc. It's just a straightforward origin story MCU movie.

YOU have said that Captain Marvel is pushing some kind of political agenda and you don't like it. What I was saying is that it's not political. It's just an adaptation of Captain Marvel stories. WHICH stories or WHAT versions don't matter. Asking is pointless. They grabbed the stories they wanted to make the character they wanted portrayed and they streamlined and portrayed it. Thats not a political statement. It's telling the stories of that character. You didn't like it? Good. Fine. Like what you like. Calling it a political agenda? Nice tin foil hat.

Someone bought me a ticket.

I watched it.

It was... not very good. It felt generic, boring, lazy, and the pacing just felt like it had no 'flow' at all. It's kind of like what I'd expect from Syfy original pictures if they had a bigger budget.

I had to keep giving myself reality checks to come to terms with the fact that this was a real movie happening in a real movie theater.

People were text messaging and playing with their phones during the movie. No one cared at all. It felt like a dumb lazy Sunday afternoon flick on cable, and I honestly think it would have been more interesting if it had commercials.

I'm not saying it was "bad". It's not a "bad movie". It's just not a "good movie".

This would have maybe worked as a Netflix series- maybe, and even then, I'd have probably gotten bored with it and stopped watching.

My friend that bought the ticket is a Superhero junkie, and he bought the ticket- which I gratefully accepted because it was a friendly gesture. But what said something to me was that when we walked out after the movie, the first thing he said to me was "I'm sorry man, let me make it up to you". I hadn't made a complaint or shown any disinterest at all, I was raised to be grateful for a gift and be polite. But-

Let me make that very clear: The guy that bought this ticket for me by his own choice, drove to my house to get me, and even got my popcorn and soda- he apologized to me for this movie.

The movie wasn't what I'd call 'political', it was just... lazy tropes. The 'sexism' that she experienced was so brainless and milquetoast, it was just outright disappointing- the kind of 'sexism' that is just above the kind of sexism you'd see in a children's cartoon on Nick Jr.. If it were 'racism', it'd have probably just been a random redneck hanging out his pickup truck yelling a random and mild ethnic slur every 20 minutes... but that might have actually been funnier.

At the end of the day, a lot of people are a bit miffed about Brie Larsen. She apparently threw shade at 'the white males', as I'm told, and I'm not sure that's what actually happened but if it is- that's kinda stupid, considering that this entire genre of entertainment has been financially propped up by white males, because whether you like it or not- white males are the economic powerhouse in the United States.

Well, I know how this whole silly controversy marketing thing works and generally speaking, any time a mediocre thing comes out (and trust me, they know when it's gonna be mediocre)- a few people will say "that kinda looks dumb", and suddenly the usual media suspects are "THE ALT RITE BOOTIEBUTT HITLER INCEL MAGA BIGGITS ARE ATTACKING THE THING!". Yeah, that's called 'poisoning the well' and it's a cheap way to shut down legitimate criticism, and anyone with an IQ higher than their shoe size can see right through it.

So let me get this straight, suddenly- after Wonder Woman, which was pretty popular and awesome, all these 'woman hating incels' manifested out of the aether. They "bombed" reviews, which weren't actually reviews but they were people answering "Do you want to see this movie" honestly. Oh, and we should give credibility to a 'movie review site' that is owned by a company that sells movie tickets, and not see it as an elaborate hype machine.

Final thoughts- there's people attacking the movie for exaggerated dumb reasons, those people are dumb. Also, there's people praising this as BEST MOVIE EVER MADE and come on, that's also dumb and they're dumb.

This movie is... 'eh'.

Save your money. Buy some drugs or something fun instead.

Show me on the doll where the movie touched you?

I enjoyed the film. Fun, great addition to the MCU.

I also enjoyed how the massive opening of the movie has destroyed the "get woke go broke"-spouting idiots. Well, should have, but now they'll probably watch a pirate copy and claim it was 'objectively bad' or somesuch nonsense... sigh.

This was one of my least favorite Marvel movies. The side characters and the humor are there, but the film is very weak in structure, coherency of themes, and development of the main character. Hopefully the Russo Bros will have a more interesting take.

My wife was psyched after the film and wants to see it again, though, so it did something right.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Show me on the doll where the movie touched you?

Right on the penis. Directly there, on my penis. Just all over the penis, from the base of the shaft, down to my tip. The doll doesn't have a penis, so I'm going to add one. A really, really big one. Bigger than yours. It's going to be bigger than the doll, so big it'll probably need its own penis as well. I'm using green stuff, then I'm going to paint it Blanchitsu style with two colors, let my shades pool, throw some dirt on it, and then title it "One Night in Bangkok".

That's a silly response to a silly response.

You know people can like and dislike things, and it doesn't mean they've been hurt, scarred, offended, or rubbed the wrong way. The fact that people are treating this movie in such a way where liking it or disliking it is some kind of activism on par with supporting gay marriage is fundamentally part of the reason that some people are avoiding it like it's, well.... like it's a Blanchitsu painted dick some weirdo stuck to a doll.

Exalted for making me laugh.

Bran Dawri wrote:
Exalted for making me laugh.

You're laughing now, wait until I find a GI Joe and my Green Stuff.

We got NSFW tags, right?

Second that exalt.

Seriously guys, the movie was perfectly fine. Not the best Marvel movie, certainly not the worst.

I saw no political undertones, nor was my fragile, nerdy manhood threatened in any way from beginning to end. My wife also really liked it, while only having about a 50% rate of liking all the Marvel movies.

So the world isn't ending, at least so far as this movie goes.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
I also enjoyed how the massive opening of the movie has destroyed the "get woke go broke"-spouting idiots.

To be fair, those people aren't usually 'idiots'. When that happens, it's not the people saying 'get woke go broke' that do it... it's the rest of us caught in the middle.

There's this startling number of human beings that live in the modern world that want amusement for the sake of amusement. Even when the source of amusement is practically apolitical or tackles general issues that people can all generally agree are 'bad', there's always a problem- it's the people around it.

The problem is when weirdo outrage fetishists turn this crap into some form of activism or bold political/social statement when it simply isn't- and I mean, both fringes. One fringe is claiming this movie is this evil cultural propaganda because [insert stupidity], the other fringe is claiming the movie is some major achievement and important event because [insert stupidity]. And these two batches of idiots, albeit small they are very loud because FFS, we have lost the ability to ignore the village idiots. These obnoxious weirdos turn a form of amusement into an ideological battleground.

Like it, one side screams at you. Don't like it, the other side screams at you. What should have been a little slice of fun for people is now part of the cultural slapfight between two little extreme batches of weirdos that are always pissed off. And do you know what normal people do? They avoid drama, they don't want to be a part of this stupidity, so they avoid it. No sane, normal person (AKA 99.9% of modern human beings) want to put up with this crap.

To be clear, this movie didn't look interesting to me from the start. That was about it. Then all the nontroversy started around it, and you know what? If spending my money on a thing means I have to 'choose a side' in this drama... then, no- f**k it and f**k all parties involved with it, I'll go use my money for something that doesn't have that sort of drama. I'm trying to enjoy a thing that costs money, and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money just to get drafted into one side of the screeching.

No, this movie is not propaganda- anyone who takes a movie with a flying woman shooting lasers at aliens seriously enough to alter their life the way actual propaganda would do is genuinely too stupid to be of any relevance to humanity. Liking it does not make you some kind of weirdo SJW bent on destroying western civilization, it just means you liked a movie with a flying chick shooting lasers at aliens.

No, this movie is not a form of activism- it's a product and if you're stupid enough to believe that giving a company some money for their product makes you a better person because the people running that business that want your money said so, you're too stupid to be trusted with anything that passes for currency in the modern world. Disliking it does not make you a woman-hating incel MAGA-bigot that's trying to set womens' rights back to the bronze age, it just means you did not like the movie with a flying chick shooting lasers at aliens.

The fact that these fringes try to weaponize something as simple as a mediocre flick during the slow cinema season... that just goes to tell you how absolutely pathetic and irrelevant these individuals are in the real world that stretches beyond their social media and activist blogs masquerading as journalism.

Turning any form of amusement into an ideological battlefield objective drives away the rest of us with better things to worry about in life- things that affect us, our families, our jobs, our health, our friends, and our income in very real ways and we'll just spend our money on something that isn't in between two packs of screeching monkeys hurling feces at one another.

So yes, get 'woke'- or rather, get 'woke' people and 'joke' people together squabbling... you will go broke, and in the future it would be wise of all businesses that deal in amusement to energetically extend every middle finger on staff towards these bottom-feeding losers that smear their excrement on everything they touch and make it unbearable for the rest of human society.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:
Exalted for making me laugh.

You're laughing now, wait until I find a GI Joe and my Green Stuff.

We got NSFW tags, right?

Never really cared for GI Joe, so more amusement is good! Do NOT, however come near my DinoRiders or there will be... trouble.
Because dinosaurs with armor and lasers are too damn cool to muck about with.

Bran Dawri wrote:
Because dinosaurs with armor and lasers are too damn cool to muck about with.

You had a guy whose head was a starfish. His name was "Starface"

I hate you and I'm calling the police.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
I enjoyed the film. Fun, great addition to the MCU.

I also enjoyed how the massive opening of the movie has destroyed the "get woke go broke"-spouting idiots. Well, should have, but now they'll probably watch a pirate copy and claim it was 'objectively bad' or somesuch nonsense... sigh.

Don't worry, they've faded away for the moment, but they'll inevitably be back, putting on the same old dog and pony show as if nothing happened. From what I gather, they're currently getting hyper-offended over how the second Doom movie has a female lead or something.

 Elemental wrote:
Don't worry, they've faded away for the moment, but they'll inevitably be back, putting on the same old dog and pony show as if nothing happened. From what I gather, they're currently getting hyper-offended over how the second Doom movie has a female lead or something.

Way to take the bait.

The problem with this movie is that it is quite obviously going to be trash-tier. Trolls are casually mentioning "Doomgirl" to get gullible people riled up and prove a point-

That just to fight the ideological slapfight, some folks will praise something that's obviously trash- just because it has a female lead. Because, you know, we've never had them before. /eyeroll

Seriously, just as someone who watches this insanity from the sidelines... some of you guys walk right into the most obvious troll schemes. It's obvious to everyone who takes a step back and thinks rationally, or barring that- sometimes maybe you should go and see what your opposition is actually saying. Since many of you guys on both sides of these theatrics tend to just make up what the opposition believes, it's no shocker you get suckered into these little tricks.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:
Because dinosaurs with armor and lasers are too damn cool to muck about with.

You had a guy whose head was a starfish. His name was "Starface"

I hate you and I'm calling the police.

It was an 80s toy commercial cartoon. Just like GI Joe and Transformers, Thundercats, He-man and I'm sure I'm missing some. Silly doesn't even begin to describe the lot of them. Which is part of their charm.
But Dinoriders was right when I started my "dinosaurs are cool" phase as a boy. (To be fair, I never grew put of that one.)

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Elemental wrote:
Don't worry, they've faded away for the moment, but they'll inevitably be back, putting on the same old dog and pony show as if nothing happened. From what I gather, they're currently getting hyper-offended over how the second Doom movie has a female lead or something.

Way to take the bait.

The problem with this movie is that it is quite obviously going to be trash-tier.

Trolls are casually mentioning "Doomgirl" to get gullible people riled up and prove a point-

That just to fight the ideological slapfight, some folks will praise something that's obviously trash- just because it has a female lead.

Because, you know, we've never had them before.

/eyeroll

You make a lot of assumptions here.

1) Anything COULD be good if made well. Nobody has seen jack gak of the Doom movie. To call it good or bad before seeing even a single frame is Ghost Buster Female version all over again.

2) You can call them trolls and some very well may be. But I would be shocked if some of them were also not MRA retards upset because they think they are loosing something again.

3) I don't think anyone is praising anything because it has a female lead. I think mostly they are saying having a female lead does not = bad. It COULD be bad. But a female lead is not a determining factor in that.

 Lance845 wrote:
1) Anything COULD be good if made well. Nobody has seen jack gak of the Doom movie. To call it good or bad before seeing even a single frame is Ghost Buster Female version all over again.

You mean that movie that nearly everyone said was going to suck, and you could tell by the trailers it was going to suck, and then the 'OH NO EVERYONE THAT HATES THIS MOVIE IS A BIGGIT' still couldn't prevent it from being a box-office embarassment?

It also didn't help that people had been crying out for a continuation of the original Ghostbusters' story, then for spite they chose a director that is about as funny as a teenage miscarriage that was throwing shade long before any material was available?

Yeah, go figure- when you say "If you don't like this you're a bigot" in some way, people tend to do exactly as I said and just walk the hell away from the whole mess and then peek back in to confirm that it is, indeed, a raging dumpster fire.

I don't care if you're making an epic film about my green-stuff Blanchitsu penis sculpture, if you market it by throwing shade at people- dollars will go elsewhere, and even if you use 'activism marketing' to get asses in the seats, you're not gonna help prevent said dumpster fire.

 Lance845 wrote:
2) You can call them trolls and some very well may be. But I would be shocked if some of them were also not MRA retards upset because they think they are loosing something again.

I'd be shocked if you ever bothered to, you know, go look and see what people say and what kind of people they are instead of insulating yourself in what you want them to be. That sounds dickish, but that's why you guys are constantly getting dragged to the point where they can predict your responses and meme you.

Before you jump to any conclusions, before you start labeling people- go and read. Look at what they're saying. Step out of your comfort zone. Try and talk to them. See what happens. Yes, you will find some idiots. There's idiots in every village. But listen to the reasonable arguments instead of poisoning the well against critics.

Because the environment we are creating with entertainment is getting toxic. As it stands, if I make something mediocre because I have mediocre talent, I'm going to start shoehorning in little identitarian purse-puppies and start talking up my entertainment product as something that's "punching up" or "breaking through a glass ceiling" or "socially relevant" and immediately I'll be able to label any critic of the work as some kind of bigot and dismiss them. Keep this up, and we'll get a steady stream of 'check the box' diversity fiction of trash quality, which is far less than diverse characters and stories deserve.

 Lance845 wrote:
3) I don't think anyone is praising anything because it has a female lead. I think mostly they are saying having a female lead does not = bad. It COULD be bad. But a female lead is not a determining factor in that.

And no one is slamming it because it has a female lead, though there are those comments that they are disappointed that it's not the Doomslayer from the successful game released recently. Granted, this Doom movie looks like it has the budget of a bad date that ends at 7pm, so asking for something like a Doomslayer rippin demons apart is about as likely as 'believable recoil from their rifles'.

I mean, if you told me there was gonna be a Wolfenstein movie, and the main character was a scrawny chick named Blaskowitz.... I'd probably complain. Same if you made a Perfect Dark movie and the main character was a musclebound dude.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
1) Anything COULD be good if made well. Nobody has seen jack gak of the Doom movie. To call it good or bad before seeing even a single frame is Ghost Buster Female version all over again.

You mean that movie that nearly everyone said was going to suck, and you could tell by the trailers it was going to suck, and then the 'OH NO EVERYONE THAT HATES THIS MOVIE IS A BIGGIT' still couldn't prevent it from being a box-office embarassment?

It also didn't help that people had been crying out for a continuation of the original Ghostbusters' story, then for spite they chose a director that is about as funny as a teenage miscarriage that was throwing shade long before any material was available?

Yeah, go figure- when you say "If you don't like this you're a bigot" in some way, people tend to do exactly as I said and just walk the hell away from the whole mess and then peek back in to confirm that it is, indeed, a raging dumpster fire.

I don't care if you're making an epic film about my green-stuff Blanchitsu penis sculpture, if you market it by throwing shade at people- dollars will go elsewhere, and even if you use 'activism marketing' to get asses in the seats, you're not gonna help prevent said dumpster fire.

No, I mean how everyone had a freak out and weird backlash about an all female cast before they were even actually cast let alone saw a trailer, knew what the story was going to be or anything else. Literally the only information that was available was "Hey guys. There is going to be a new ghost busters. This time the main cast will be female." We didn't know if it was a reboot. We didn't know if it was a 3rd movie in the original continuity. We knew NOTHING. But still got the MRA idiots up in arms. Do we know who is cast in the new doom yet? Have we seen a set photo? How about a trailer? Did they begin filming yet? No? Then you and everyone else doesn't know gak.

 Lance845 wrote:
2) You can call them trolls and some very well may be. But I would be shocked if some of them were also not MRA retards upset because they think they are loosing something again.

I'd be shocked if you ever bothered to, you know, go look and see what people say and what kind of people they are instead of insulating yourself in what you want them to be. That sounds dickish, but that's why you guys are constantly getting dragged to the point where they can predict your responses and meme you.

Before you jump to any conclusions, before you start labeling people- go and read. Look at what they're saying. Step out of your comfort zone. Try and talk to them. See what happens. Yes, you will find some idiots. There's idiots in every village. But listen to the reasonable arguments instead of poisoning the well against critics.

Because the environment we are creating with entertainment is getting toxic. As it stands, if I make something mediocre because I have mediocre talent, I'm going to start shoehorning in little identitarian purse-puppies and start talking up my entertainment product as something that's "punching up" or "breaking through a glass ceiling" or "socially relevant" and immediately I'll be able to label any critic of the work as some kind of bigot and dismiss them. Keep this up, and we'll get a steady stream of 'check the box' diversity fiction of trash quality, which is far less than diverse characters and stories deserve.

In the example of this Doom movie, if we have seen nothing and we know nothing and they are expressing an outrage because the new Doom Marine is a chick then it doesn't matter what they actually have to say. There is no reasonable thing to say that includes anger about a movie you know nothing about. Happy to talk to anyone that has something to say that isn't based on their ignorance and hate.

 Lance845 wrote:
3) I don't think anyone is praising anything because it has a female lead. I think mostly they are saying having a female lead does not = bad. It COULD be bad. But a female lead is not a determining factor in that.

And no one is slamming it because it has a female lead, though there are those comments that they are disappointed that it's not the Doomslayer from the successful game released recently. Granted, this Doom movie looks like it has the budget of a bad date that ends at 7pm, so asking for something like a Doomslayer rippin demons apart is about as likely as 'believable recoil from their rifles'.

I mean, if you told me there was gonna be a Wolfenstein movie, and the main character was a scrawny chick named Blaskowitz.... I'd probably complain. Same if you made a Perfect Dark movie and the main character was a musclebound dude.

Again, I don't actually care if Wolfenstein had a chick or perfect dark gets a dude. Just like I didn't care that Silent Hill had a chick instead of Henry. I care if the end product is good. Determining that it's bad before seeing anything of it is dumb as gak.

 Lance845 wrote:

No, I mean how everyone had a freak out and weird backlash about an all female cast before they were even actually cast let alone saw a trailer, knew what the story was going to be or anything else. Literally the only information that was available was "Hey guys. There is going to be a new ghost busters. This time the main cast will be female." We didn't know if it was a reboot. We didn't know if it was a 3rd movie in the original continuity. We knew NOTHING. But still got the MRA idiots up in arms. Do we know who is cast in the new doom yet? Have we seen a set photo? How about a trailer? Did they begin filming yet? No? Then you and everyone else doesn't know gak.

There was a lot of annoyance with Ghostbusters' female cast. Wanna know why? Let's look at two statements:

"Hey, the new Ghostbusters are women." - no big deal, no one cared.

"Hahaha, suck it male nerds, the future is female and the new Ghostbusters are women! Mmmm, male tears!" - yeah, that got exactly the kind of response you'd think, especially when the overwhelming majority of paying customers at the theater are- wait for it- male. Insulting your paying customers, your potential audience... I'm not sure how anyone ever figured this would somehow be profitable.

And yeah, we've got a Doom trailer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkhXSLmRbiE

Good luck getting through that without checking to see that it's new and not from 2002.

You also realize that the guys behind the recent Doom video games made a blatant public statement saying "We're not involved with the movie at all"- because they didn't wanna be tied to this... really crappy flick.

 Lance845 wrote:
In the example of this Doom movie, if we have seen nothing and we know nothing and they are expressing an outrage because the new Doom Marine is a chick then it doesn't matter what they actually have to say. There is no reasonable thing to say that includes anger about a movie you know nothing about. Happy to talk to anyone that has something to say that isn't based on their ignorance and hate.

And yet, here you are with a trailer. Go see for yourself. That's why people are disgusted. You wanna count those dislikes? That's 53,000 dislikes and 2500 likes. But hey, it's just a 'loud vocal minority of misogynistic trolls, right? Absolutely no way normal people are looking that and going... "Oh, God- that's awful."

You do realize "Doomchick" was announced like, many months ago- right? A long while back. And most people shrugged, then said "it'll probably suck as much as the first one" and laughed it off and forgot all about it. No one cared. But now, all of a sudden, when the blatantly obvious trash-tier product has a trailer that everyone can see and it's got 21 times as many dislikes as likes... oh, NOW all the naysayers are MRA trolls that hate women... how... convenient... from a marketing standpoint.

Again, really think about that. Poisoning the well. Say it in your head, and realize how dangerous this can be to shut down absolutely valid and necessary criticism. There's a brainless, dead-eyed outrage mob out there just waiting to be weaponized and whipped into a frenzy just as soon as some business realizes they can use them as a defense force for mediocre products.

I mean, really think about this. Was Captain Marvel that political? Dude, no. You kinda had to be looking for it in order for it to stand out at you in any kind of way, and it was no more or less like any other movie out there. But once the final product was put together, it became quite obvious that it wasn't on par with what people would expect from Marvel... so, that's when that "activist marketing" comes in- you're a good person if you support this movie, a bigot if you don't like it. Well, no one wants to be a bigot. No one wants to be publicly dragged by that dead-eyed, brainless outrage mob. So criticism gets stifled, because some marketing guy said "let's do this thing..." to keep the right amount of asses in the seats and keep the movie from becoming a complete embarrassment.

 Lance845 wrote:
Again, I don't actually care if Wolfenstein had a chick or perfect dark gets a dude. Just like I didn't care that Silent Hill had a chick instead of Henry. I care if the end product is good. Determining that it's bad before seeing anything of it is dumb as gak.

Understandable to a degree, but you have to understand that the audience has a lot of fans that are expecting to see a certain character that the game revolved around when they go and see the movie based on the game. If there's a Halo movie, people are gonna want to see Master Chief. If there's a Metal Gear movie, people expect o see Solid Snake. Just like if there was a video game about the Horus Heresy, you'd be miffed if it revolved entirely around some random Eldar chick and a Chaos Cult.

But hey, you can show me a turd on a plate and I'll say "No, that's poop, and it's gonna taste like poop." It's not really a valid response to say, "You won't know unless you eat the whole thing."

Excuse me but I'll go on what I can see and I'm not going to wager the price of a movie theater ticket to find out if I'm wrong. As a single guy, that's groceries for a week.

I just saw the movie this afternoon, and while I certainly wasn't "blown away", I wasn't disappointed either, so that's good. Some of the '90s references, while cool, felt a little shoehorned in. Seeing Agent Coulson made me happy as I'm a huge fan of Agents of SHIELD (eagerly waiting for next season!).

You already should never entirely trust cats.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
If you don’t want ‘overt political tones’, may I suggest that Marvel may not in fact be the company for you?

Because, y’know. It’s all pretty political in origin.

See also: the X-Men being an allegory from the start for the gay rights movement. OR Iron Man literally being designed from the ground up with politics in mind.

4chan/incels/etc: THIS MOVIE IS GOING TO SUCK IT HAS A WOMAN IN IT ONLY MEN CAN BE HEROES WOMEN NEED TO BE MY LOBOTOMIZED RAPE-SLAVES.

Movie industry: yeah, let's not do that, these people are toxic and not what our community should be.

AD: BOTH SIDES ARE EXTREMISTS EVERYONE IS WRONG.

PS: nobody is arguing that anyone who dislikes a particular movie is a bigot. There are plenty of people who have criticized Captain Marvel, TLJ, etc, without feeling targeted by that accusation. But when your criticism is coming from a point of sexist nonsense then yes, people are going to point out that you're an awful person. If you're feeling bad that a company is saying " the MRAs/incels/etc" then you should be asking yourself what poor life choices you've made to feel close enough to those groups that attacks on them hurt.

Remember when we could just talk about whether or not a movie was good?


Rather than try to prune through the last however many pages to find the posts that do actually belong here, I'm just locking this one. If anyone wants to continue discussing the actual movie, in a civil fashion, feel free to start a new thread.