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cuda1179 wrote: This film was in the okay-ish category for me. All this makes me wonder if Larson's 7-film contract might be in question.
I very much doubt Brie Larson is in the Edward Norton category. Box office numbers will dictate her longevity in the MCU... and early indications are healthy
cuda1179 wrote: All this makes me wonder if Larson's 7-film contract might be in question.
They all get large film contracts. Doesn't mean the films get made. It only means that should Marvel choose to make a film, the actor in question has to come back (within reason) or have their contract bought out.
cuda1179 wrote: Rumors have it that Marvel now has two versions of Avengers Infinity War Endgame. They supposedly have an altered version that cuts some scenes with Captain Marvel and replaces her with other Avengers to downplay her somewhat. Which version they end up having as their theatrical release is depending on how well reviewed Captain Marvel is.
Also, rumors state that some of the existing actors have taken issue with Larson.
This film was in the okay-ish category for me. All this makes me wonder if Larson's 7-film contract might be in question.
There's also a rumor that Chris Hemsworth is actually 7 feet tall and shoots bolts of lightning out of his arse.
The only way we can ever solve anything is to look in the mirror and find no enemy
cuda1179 wrote: Rumors have it that Marvel now has two versions of Avengers Infinity War Endgame. They supposedly have an altered version that cuts some scenes with Captain Marvel and replaces her with other Avengers to downplay her somewhat. Which version they end up having as their theatrical release is depending on how well reviewed Captain Marvel is.
Also, rumors state that some of the existing actors have taken issue with Larson.
This film was in the okay-ish category for me. All this makes me wonder if Larson's 7-film contract might be in question.
There's also a rumor that Chris Hemsworth is actually 7 feet tall and shoots bolts of lightning out of his arse.
cuda1179 wrote: Rumors have it that Marvel now has two versions of Avengers Infinity War Endgame. They supposedly have an altered version that cuts some scenes with Captain Marvel and replaces her with other Avengers to downplay her somewhat. Which version they end up having as their theatrical release is depending on how well reviewed Captain Marvel is.
Also, rumors state that some of the existing actors have taken issue with Larson.
This film was in the okay-ish category for me. All this makes me wonder if Larson's 7-film contract might be in question.
There's also a rumor that Chris Hemsworth is actually 7 feet tall and shoots bolts of lightning out of his arse.
Wrong Australian, you're thinking of Mel Gibson
The point being that you can say "there's a rumor" and then insert any hogwash you want after it.
There are no rumors about her conflicts with any of the cast. I don't think at any point in the MCU there have ever been rumors about issues between primary cast members except for the first Rhodey (drawing a blank) and he's gone. They've done a very good job of casting professionals.
Captain Marvel has already made $62 million through Friday. It's ahead of GotG2, Homecoming, and Dr. Strange and behind Black Panther (-14) and Infinity War (-40~ of course) at this point. The negative hype was an alt-right/4Chan ploy that had no basis in reality.
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Not only have they cast professionals but other actors in the group have said that when they cast a new actor they get them together with the rest of the Marvel crew to make sure that everyone can get along well enough because a bad relationship off screen could damage plans moving forward. Brie Larson would not have been hired if she went in there burning bridges.
Both Cumberbatch and Tom Holland went through that process.
Don't just say "rumor has it". Site a source that isn't some a hole with an agenda.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
I found it ok. Overall I found the character rather boring but the interactions with Fury and Talos were decent which makes me think she would works fine as a secondary character but trying to make her front and center doesn't really play to her strengths (at the moment). I'm not mad I saw it and it had a few fun moments but I can't imagine seeing it again; it is on the lower end of the MCU movies for me. Unfortunately instead of giving the character time to grow on audiences Marvel seems to think we'll think she is awesome from the go and pushing Carol into the front right off.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Lance845 wrote: Not only have they cast professionals but other actors in the group have said that when they cast a new actor they get them together with the rest of the Marvel crew to make sure that everyone can get along well enough because a bad relationship off screen could damage plans moving forward. Brie Larson would not have been hired if she went in there burning bridges.
Both Cumberbatch and Tom Holland went through that process.
Don't just say "rumor has it". Site a source that isn't some a hole with an agenda.
I did not know that, but it makes sense. Given that Brie Larson and Samuel L Jackson have worked together before, I doubt there was an issue.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I doubt that very much. Making alternate versions of a movie would be very expensive, and Infinity War/Endgame were expensive enough as it is.
There are a few movies with multiple endings (1408 has like, 5?). It doesn't take much either. Reorder some footage, throw in a few extra seconds here and there and you can completely change the way a movie ends.
It's actually not that expensive to shoot multiple endings. It's the editing that probably makes it expensive.
I'd be skeptical only because circumstances around Larson and the internet being the internet (where nothing untrue has ever been said).
Ahtman wrote: I found it ok. Overall I found the character rather boring but the interactions with Fury and Talos were decent which makes me think she would works fine as a secondary character but trying to make her front and center doesn't really play to her strengths (at the moment). I'm not mad I saw it and it had a few fun moments but I can't imagine seeing it again; it is on the lower end of the MCU movies for me. Unfortunately instead of giving the character time to grow on audiences Marvel seems to think we'll think she is awesome from the go and pushing Carol into the front right off.
How is this really different from any other MCU movie/character? You get your origin story movie, then you're up front as a main character. Did you also complain that Iron Man or Captain America got a single movie and then went straight to the front in Avengers?
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Ahtman wrote: I found it ok. Overall I found the character rather boring but the interactions with Fury and Talos were decent which makes me think she would works fine as a secondary character but trying to make her front and center doesn't really play to her strengths (at the moment). I'm not mad I saw it and it had a few fun moments but I can't imagine seeing it again; it is on the lower end of the MCU movies for me. Unfortunately instead of giving the character time to grow on audiences Marvel seems to think we'll think she is awesome from the go and pushing Carol into the front right off.
How is this really different from any other MCU movie/character? You get your origin story movie, then you're up front as a main character. Did you also complain that Iron Man or Captain America got a single movie and then went straight to the front in Avengers?
Do you need a hug? It seems like you might need a hug. I'm sorry that not treating all characters the same has hurt you in some way as that isn't my intention. Nor was my being very brief in my initial thoughts meant to cause you some consternation. It was an ok movie and there really isn't much I that can be done about that. Perhaps it is just Marvel burn out at this point where we have seen this so many times that it just feels less engaging.
The de-aging effects on Samuel Jackson were good but it was fairly obvious on Coulson.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Just got out of the screening this morning. A VERY solid entry into the MCU. Definitely phase 3 quality which puts it above pretty much everything in phase 1 and 2.
Character interactions were good. Story was breezy. Wonderwoman felt long (but good) but this feels short while probably being as long if not longer.
They touch on a lot of the story elements of the Kree-Skrull War without showing the full on war. A couple twists I really enjoyed in plot elements.
I disagree with whoever said Alita handled the amnesia better. I think Carol had a far superior ark and that it was handled gradually and with better handled emotions, acting, and pay off.
I would rank this above any of the Iron Man clone movies including Iron Man itself. Better then dr strange, better than ant man, better then any of the other origin movies including black panther. It never followed the pattern and formula those movies all do. Winter Soldier and Civil War are still the best single movies with Infinity War close behind for scope and ambition if nothing else. Thor Ragnarok and the GotG movies are still the most fun. But this is a rock solid entry in the mix.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Ahtman wrote: Do you need a hug? It seems like you might need a hug. I'm sorry that not treating all characters the same has hurt you in some way as that isn't my intention. Nor was my being very brief in my initial thoughts meant to cause you some consternation. It was an ok movie and there really isn't much I that can be done about that. Perhaps it is just Marvel burn out at this point where we have seen this so many times that it just feels less engaging.
If it's a case of being tired of the genre that's fine, but your original complaint sounded like the same old double standard people have for female characters where it's all "they should be careful about making her more than a secondary character" and "they need to justify her powers more" and such while male characters with the exact same development path are just fine and even praised for how awesome they are.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
I'm working a wonky schedule right now, so I'm hoping to see it Wednesday. Both Thursday and Friday, it was sold out at my local fake IMAX, except for a few seats that no one ever wants - the one that are 4 feet from the screen in either corner. I really should have bought tickets earlier since this wasn't exactly an unpredictable event.
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lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
This movie wasn't bad. Saying it's better than Wonder Woman, Iron Man, or Black Panther? Can't say I agree there. Possibly on-par with Iron Man 3 or Thor: The Dark World. It's said this is ranked at as the 14th best marvel movie. I'd say that it feels like the proper ranking.
cuda1179 wrote: This movie wasn't bad. Saying it's better than Wonder Woman, Iron Man, or Black Panther? Can't say I agree there. Possibly on-par with Iron Man 3 or Thor: The Dark World. It's said this is ranked at as the 14th best marvel movie. I'd say that it feels like the proper ranking.
It's definitely better than Wonder Woman. The third act nearly ruined that film. IMO it's better than IM3, TW, CA: TA, and the Hulk movie. Probably Dr. Strange and Ant-man as well.
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trexmeyer wrote: It's definitely better than Wonder Woman. The third act nearly ruined that film.
You're not wrong there. I've never seen such epic miscasting as they did with Ares. It was only the awesomeness of the the first 2/3rds of the movies that lets people forget that.
cuda1179 wrote: This movie wasn't bad. Saying it's better than Wonder Woman, Iron Man, or Black Panther? Can't say I agree there. Possibly on-par with Iron Man 3 or Thor: The Dark World.
You're saying it wasn't a bad movie, but comparing it to evenly to what are generally considered the worst movies in the MCU. I would say it's a toss up between Iron Man 2 & 3, and The Dark World, personally, in terms of being the worst.
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lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
Yeah the reverence for Wonder Woman is truly mystifying. It was notable only for being the first DC production that wasn't absolute garbage. It's a solid 7, maybe 8, at the very best. Captain Marvel beats it by more than a fair margin.
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AduroT wrote: Incidentally it’s what, the second MCU origin story where the main villain isn’t just an evil version of the main hero? Thor is the other.
Dr. Strange is arguably also one (Dormamu being the real bad guy) and Spiderman (being his first solo film) and GotG (Since there is no evil team they fight).
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
My wife and I just got back from watching marvel and we both thought it was really good. Brie Larson was much, much more likeable on screen in full length conversations than in 2-second blips in the trailer (as expected by anyone with half a brain). Her Carol Danvers is very much Tony Stark-meets Cpt. America.
I did think the cgi in a couple of spots had trouble making faces "work" namely with Agent Coulson in spots, and also during at least one spot in her "powered up" scene, but those are very minor gripes.
Overall a pretty strong movie, easily above IM3 and the pre-Ragnorok Thor's. Those both had some sweet parts, but in general as a whole movie Cpt. Marvel was better. It had some really obvious plot points, but that's more due to me being a 37 year old who has watched way too many movies of this type. Didn't stop it from having several really awesome points, though.
I for one am eager to see her get into a dust-up with Thanos, because that fight's going to be epic.
Spoiler:
I really liked the plot twist with the Skrulls. Feeling for the civilians on the Kree ship was a great way for her to go full Hero-mode.
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creeping-deth87 wrote: Yeah the reverence for Wonder Woman is truly mystifying. It was notable only for being the first DC production that wasn't absolute garbage. It's a solid 7, maybe 8, at the very best. Captain Marvel beats it by more than a fair margin.
In all fairness, professional critics disagree with you. On rotten tomatoes the professional critic review of Wonder Woman is 93%, compared to Captain Marvel's 79%. That's mirrored in the fan reviews with 88% and 53%.
And to be fair, Wonder Woman was the 4th DCU film. The first 4 MCU films were Iron Man, Hulk, Iron Man 2, and Thor. Two of those movies are panned as complete trash, Iron man was goodish (although somewhat trashed in this very thread), and Thor was passable, kind-of.
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I think part of it is Wonder Woman has been part of pop culture for a long time, even for people like me who don't read comics, I had never heard of Captain Marvel before the hoopla about this. Honestly I would have rather seen a movie about Scarlet Witch because I think Elizabeth Olsen is a much better actress.
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