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I prefer Lower Decks to Prodigy, but yeah, it’s some pretty good Trek for a show that almost completely abandons your typical Trek settings. I was even a little surprised when a Ferengi showed up. Being a kids show will definitely turn some people off though. I was describing it to a friend and when I said the crew was six kids he immediately noped right out.


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And speaking of Prodigy, that was a pretty good (mid season?) finale. Wraps up some stuff quite nicely while still dangling hooks for the future. I thought it was supposed to be the season finale, but a couple review sites were calling it the mid season finale so I’m not sure if we’re to expect more before the already confirmed second season.

There's 10 more episodes for later this year.

Next Kelvin-verse movie is still happening:

startrek.com wrote:Update, 02/15/2022: During the ViacomCBS Investor’s Day presentation today, producer J.J. Abrams shared a small update on the upcoming film. “We are thrilled to say that we are hard at work on a new Star Trek film that we’ll be shooting by the end of the year, featuring our original cast and some new characters that I think are going to be really fun and exciting, and help take Star Trek into areas that you’ve just never seen before.” said Abrams.

Matt Shakman, who was recently nominated for an Emmy for his work directing WandaVision, is beaming into the Star Trek universe. He'll be directing the upcoming Untitled Star Trek Project for Paramount Pictures, with a script written by Lindsey Beer and Geneva Robertson. J.J. Abrams, who helmed both Star Trek (2009) and Star Trek Into Darkness and produced Star Trek Beyond, will be returning as a producer.

As someone who really digs the Kelvin-verse films, and loved Wandavision, that's some really great news.

I suppose that's good news for some. For me, eh. I enjoyed the first JJTrek film as a shoot'em up scifi film but not as Trek.. and it only went downhill from there in terms of quality. YMMV. It sure doesn't help that I think all the steaming trek I've seen (current up until Picard S1) is even worse.

Welp, suppose we'll see how that goes. If the pattern is anything it'll be terrible XD

That said, I'm kind of glad they want to try again? 09 was contentious but not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. Into Darkness hasn't aged well and it wasn't good to begin with. Beyond was actually pretty fun if nothing else and felt like a lot of the cast had finally found their footing in their characters.

Here's hoping it's more Lower Decks or Prodigy than Discover or Picard *toasts*

They need to shake things up. This movie should have them exploring the depths of an ocean on an alien world. Maybe get into a submarine style battle against another underwater starship too.

About.


Damned.


Time.

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Star Trek 4 Announcement Reportedly Surprised Its Cast Members - Epicstream

beast_gts wrote:
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Um... wow. Not sure what else to say. Hopefully they get everyone on board?

Clearly they have a Burnham-level brain orchestrating everything behind the scenes. They're probably crying about as much too.

Of all the feth ups, that would seem to be the most easily avoided feth up XD

beast_gts wrote:
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Well. That's a different approach to doing things.
On the + side? Nobody should be surprised by failure.

OMG! That is such a hot-mess!

You know, I USED to be a big star-trek fan... these days, it seems like Trek is being entirely run by people too incompetent to graduate from clown college!

I feel like its actually split between two distinct groups. One group are making things like Picard and Below Decks. Clearly not just fans but also people who "get" ST in a classic sense. Whilst shows like Picard are willing to go to different places, they aim to retain a sense of the original.


Mean whlie you've another team who are busy making things like Discovery and the reboot films who aren't really making classic Star Trek. They are more making their own kind of sci-fi but within the structure of Trek. So we've got names, places, themes and concepts but the story style, the presentation, the nature of the action and all are very much "not trek." from the past. They are less an evolution and more a total reimagining.

In what way did Picard retain a sense of the original Star Trek?

Kinda.
It did understand Picard quite a bit as a captain constantly wracked with guilt

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
In what way did Picard retain a sense of the original Star Trek?

Picard picks up where DS9 left off in terms of evolution of ST. From Original Series to DS9 each one had elements of Classic Trek, but also evolved steadily from a purely "alien of the week" to long story arcs and from a purely upbeat to a potentially pretty dark series. Picard follows on naturally from that being fully story driven and quite dark look at a post Dominion War Federation, whilst also taking us to see the other side of the coin; far from a captain of a ship or station and instead just an old man and some friends trying to change the course of events. Along the way there's a lot of classic trek elements and characters, its just presented differently. I'd say its only real weak point was the copy-past identical romulan army that didn't feature a single warbird at the end - that was kind of a bit of a stretch.

But its totally different to things like the new films that just take things entirely in different directions.

That's not a "sense of the original Star Trek" anymore than having the next spinoff be a gritty take on Leeta forced into the sex trade in order to survive after the brutal murder of Rom after the Orion Syndicate moves into the Holosuite business and forces Quark to cash out of DS9 in the absence of Starfleet there in a post Dominion war isolationist Federation dystopia. Yeah, you CAN tell that story... but it's not any more a continuation of the tone/feel/underlying premise of prior iterations any moreso than Picard or S1 of STD were.

I gotta agree with Warboss here.

Picard plays out more like a very long Star Trek film than an OF Star Trek series, which is the same problem Discovery has IMO. Everything is an action sequence with no time for the slower and quieter character moments that really make Star Trek.

To get a sense of the original Star Trek, watch The Orville. To watch modern action-sci-fi made by people with no love or respect for the original Star Trek, watch current Star Trek.

 warboss wrote:
That's not a "sense of the original Star Trek" anymore than having the next spinoff be a gritty take on Leeta forced into the sex trade in order to survive after the brutal murder of Rom after the Orion Syndicate moves into the Holosuite business and forces Quark to cash out of DS9 in the absence of Starfleet there in a post Dominion war isolationist Federation dystopia. Yeah, you CAN tell that story... but it's not any more a continuation of the tone/feel/underlying premise of prior iterations any moreso than Picard or S1 of STD were.

Thats the Mirror universe -

One of my bigger issues with Picard is how little of TNG it picks up on - he calls to his doctor from the Stargazer rather than Bev, and only served with Raffi for a few years (less than 5?), for examples. It followed VOY more than TNG.

 Overread wrote:
I'd say its only real weak point was the copy-past identical romulan army that didn't feature a single warbird at the end - that was kind of a bit of a stretch.

Both the Romulans & Federation lost most of their shipbuilding capacity so it makes a bit of sense that they'd standardise designs a bit until they got their fleets back up to size.

beast_gts wrote:
One of my bigger issues with Picard is how little of TNG it picks up on - he calls to his doctor from the Stargazer rather than Bev, and only served with Raffi for a few years (less than 5?), for examples. It followed VOY more than TNG.


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 Overread wrote:
I'd say its only real weak point was the copy-past identical romulan army that didn't feature a single warbird at the end - that was kind of a bit of a stretch.

Both the Romulans & Federation lost most of their shipbuilding capacity so it makes a bit of sense that they'd standardise designs a bit until they got their fleets back up to size.

In part I think that's simply an issue with how much time has passed and how difficult (and expensive) it can be to get the old cast back together. Esp since some might not want to do the job; or be able or might even have stepped right out of acting entirely. Plus there's always way more inter-actor and team politics/social elements that viewers are often totally unaware of which can end up with some actors totally refusing to work with others.

I want to hate on the “galactic barrier” from this last episode of Destiny, but apparently that’s a thing from TOS? It still strikes me as dumb.

I'm still kinda hoping we see Wil Wheaton crop up in S2 or S3 of Picard...

 AduroT wrote:
I want to hate on the “galactic barrier” from this last episode of Destiny, but apparently that’s a thing from TOS? It still strikes me as dumb.

Yup, from "Where no man has gone before" - the Gary Mitchell episode (where he develops "god like powers" and tries to take over everything.).

 warboss wrote:
That's not a "sense of the original Star Trek" anymore than having the next spinoff be a gritty take on Leeta forced into the sex trade in order to survive after the brutal murder of Rom after the Orion Syndicate moves into the Holosuite business and forces Quark to cash out of DS9 in the absence of Starfleet there in a post Dominion war isolationist Federation dystopia. Yeah, you CAN tell that story... but it's not any more a continuation of the tone/feel/underlying premise of prior iterations any moreso than Picard or S1 of STD were.

Preach it, brother!

Also: the new treks don't seem to have that amazing and re-occurring surprise-party / music recital / symposium theme that the TNG era had. Seriously folks, half of why I used to love Star-Trek was that a bunch of chill dudes wearing pajamas would occasionally get into a laser fight after pretending to like one of their buddy's bad poetry. It had a level of chill humanness that other sci-fi properties simply never even TRIED to do! ...these days it's all crying and war trauma in weirdly dark ships while everyone screams curse words at one another. Not really my vibe is all I'm saying.

Lower Decks has had music recital scenes.