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Great 1st impression for once! there's a great rined cathedral on the back cover made from the cityfight buildings. the new snap fit sets are £5, counter set looks just as pants as last issue, colourful colour art on the new game box, nice looking modelling workshop (although not much detail) on gaming tables, the usual, this is what we tried to do with the rules, free quick reference sheet (again looking bland compared to previous ones) and it says in 2 issues time we get a free plastic termie and nob.

Bear in mind have read like 2 sentences so just going off rough articles. Hopeing they have better detail than the usual drivel that doesn't say much. Just thought I'd share as the last few havn't looked interesting enough to actually read, whereas this at least looks deserving of a look through at the moment.

What do other think?

Howzabout a list of the articles inside? That would be really great for me.

Plus, bonus minis are fun too!

and/or any scans of important pictures?

-Porkuslime

covenant84 wrote:in 2 issues time we get a free plastic termie and nob.

What do other think?

If the cover price remains the same, I think that the "free" minis may actually make WD worth buying.

Heaven knows I don't want glossy toilet paper...

I don't really get why people complain about how expensive WD is. If you can't afford $6 a month for something to read when you're in the can, isn't that more of a commentary on your lack of earning power than it is on the publishers of WD?

"I'm poor, therefore you suck!"

Really?

I believe it's the lack of content, and therefore not worthy of reading in the can, that upsets people. More power to you if you actually enjoy it.

Phryxis, that's the funniest thing I have heard all day. Entertain us with more of these nuggets of "wisdom". And don't try to say I don't earn, bud. A post like that would just be utter stupidity.

yeah...

I have not read the new issue, but:
I don't get the WD hate... I always look forward to the next WD.
I don't mind that i can read it all in a hour or two, once i'm finnished i'm up to date on my hobby, isn't that the point?
I can always flick through it again, if i'm bored.
What do you expect when you buy it, that it'll keep you entertained for a whole month till the next one comes out?
It can't be easy creating all that content every single month. and i think its quality lately has been excellent.

If you think ou can do better write something, post it and wait for feed back? maybe they will give you a job!

PaniC...

The WD hate has been around for a while. While the ad content isn't that much higher than say, five years ago, there are far more puff peices that do little than show off the models. If you view WD as a monthly catalog update and journal, you're not far off.

Virtually every recurring WD feature that was loved has been axed: Chapter Approved, Enemies/heros of the Imperium, Army Profiles, specialist games, etc. The continued presence of LotR is an annoyance to those of us who don't play it, espeically when they seem to get rules, army lists, and neat profiles and 40k doesn't.

Honestly, to understand the WD Hate, just look at last month's WD.

It was just about devoid of ANY meaningful content.

For a company like GW to publish something like that is almost inconceivable!

Yeah, almost.

Still, every month I hope it will get better!

Alpharius wrote:inconceivable!

This word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

Oh, must be nice to pay $6.00 a month for WHFB and LoTR articles. We get to pay almost $12.00 for the same stuff. Go GW Canada!

Mat

Phryxis wrote:I don't really get why people complain about how expensive WD is. If you can't afford $6 a month for something to read when you're in the can, isn't that more of a commentary on your lack of earning power than it is on the publishers of WD?

"I'm poor, therefore you suck!"

Really?

The issue for most people stems from the fact that White Dwarf used to be a very different magazine from what it is now and the people who 'hate' it now are those that liked the magazine the way it was before.

Although it has, for a very, very long time now, been a glorified advertisement for Games Workshop products, in years past it still felt as though it was written by gamers passionate about the hobby and it covered a wide spectrum of different GW games, and article types (including new rules for their games) so most issues had at least a little something for everyone.

For the most part now, all the 'personality' has been stripped out of the magazine and you often don't even know who is writing an article you are reading. The magazine editorial is even written in a fictional tone (by the 'White Dwarf') so you really don't get a sense that this is a magazine written by anyone with any goals or passion.

It only covers the three core games now and all the articles fall into tactics, hobby advice (painting/modeling) and battle reports. There are no more new rules presented, campaign and scenario ideas are pretty rare. In short, the article variety is pretty limited now. You can also find all the pictures of models online, giving players even less reason to pick up the mag.


With all that said, it really isn't any worse than any other magazine put out by a parent company trying to push their products (like a 'Nintendo Power') and $6 these days for a full-color glossy magazine of that size is pretty much standard.

Despite the fact that I like it much, much less than previous years I continue to buy it the same reason I occasionally buy video game magazines even though I can go online and see all the video game preview/reviews I want: It's nice to have something to hold in your hands and read about your favorite hobbies.

George Spiggott wrote:

Alpharius wrote:inconceivable!

This word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

No, it does actually.

Especially if you think about it.

yakface wrote:

Phryxis wrote:I don't really get why people complain about how expensive WD is. If you can't afford $6 a month for something to read when you're in the can, isn't that more of a commentary on your lack of earning power than it is on the publishers of WD?

"I'm poor, therefore you suck!"

Really?

The issue for most people stems from the fact that White Dwarf used to be a very different magazine from what it is now and the people who 'hate' it now are those that liked the magazine the way it was before.

Although it has, for a very, very long time now, been a glorified advertisement for Games Workshop products, in years past it still felt as though it was written by gamers passionate about the hobby and it covered a wide spectrum of different GW games, and article types (including new rules for their games) so most issues had at least a little something for everyone.

For the most part now, all the 'personality' has been stripped out of the magazine and you often don't even know who is writing an article you are reading. The magazine editorial is even written in a fictional tone (by the 'White Dwarf') so you really don't get a sense that this is a magazine written by anyone with any goals or passion.

It only covers the three core games now and all the articles fall into tactics, hobby advice (painting/modeling) and battle reports. There are no more new rules presented, campaign and scenario ideas are pretty rare. In short, the article variety is pretty limited now. You can also find all the pictures of models online, giving players even less reason to pick up the mag.


With all that said, it really isn't any worse than any other magazine put out by a parent company trying to push their products (like a 'Nintendo Power') and $6 these days for a full-color glossy magazine of that size is pretty much standard.

Despite the fact that I like it much, much less than previous years I continue to buy it the same reason I occasionally buy video game magazines even though I can go online and see all the video game preview/reviews I want: It's nice to have something to hold in your hands and read about your favorite hobbies.

Once upon a time, Nintendo Power was a great magazine. But I haven't really read it since the SNES/GENNY days.

I still remember when they had a huge review of Tactics Ogre, which was never released in the US on the SNES (was ported to the PSX some years later, however).

yakface wrote:

Although it has, for a very, very long time now, been a glorified advertisement for Games Workshop products, in years past it still felt as though it was written by gamers passionate about the hobby and it covered a wide spectrum of different GW games, and article types (including new rules for their games) so most issues had at least a little something for everyone.

For the most part now, all the 'personality' has been stripped out of the magazine and you often don't even know who is writing an article you are reading. The magazine editorial is even written in a fictional tone (by the 'White Dwarf') so you really don't get a sense that this is a magazine written by anyone with any goals or passion.

Amen! Yak, you should write a letter to Jervis. (the last hint of personality left in it)

What I am missing the most is the reader's armies! Battle reports used to be genunly cool, with studio members' and readers' armies and that to me was the best part of the magazine. Every year or so WD made a point to have more of both (reader's armies and battle reports) because the readers loved those things the most. And what do we get now...

migsula wrote:

yakface wrote:

Although it has, for a very, very long time now, been a glorified advertisement for Games Workshop products, in years past it still felt as though it was written by gamers passionate about the hobby and it covered a wide spectrum of different GW games, and article types (including new rules for their games) so most issues had at least a little something for everyone.

For the most part now, all the 'personality' has been stripped out of the magazine and you often don't even know who is writing an article you are reading. The magazine editorial is even written in a fictional tone (by the 'White Dwarf') so you really don't get a sense that this is a magazine written by anyone with any goals or passion.

Amen! Yak, you should write a letter to Jervis. (the last hint of personality left in it)

What I am missing the most is the reader's armies! Battle reports used to be genunly cool, with studio members' and readers' armies and that to me was the best part of the magazine. Every year or so WD made a point to have more of both (reader's armies and battle reports) because the readers loved those things the most. And what do we get now...

A LotR mag with wh40k and whfb between advertisement?

We should ALL write to jervis if anything is in need of improvement.

We have it at 5,95 € . Austria pays 6,70€
I hope they turn to wh4ok the next months to come.

I'd love to see Yak write to em. They did credit him on the FAQs they're putting out now, so I'd say the obviously value his opinion.

About two or three years ago, I called to see how much a subscription to White Dwarf was. I let my subscriptions lapse in the late 90's, and the sticker shock...er, shocked me. I remembered paying $24 a year (or some such number) and the $60 a year price was way too steep for what you get.

It's not a lack of earning power on my part, it's the fact that it's not a good bang for my buck. I don't have a problem spending a lot of money on something (my current computer ran me about $1800), but I need to get a good value for it. I get MUCH better content from Dakka, and that's only one of many Warhammer forums available.

Phryxis wrote:I don't really get why people complain about how expensive WD is. If you can't afford $6 a month for something to read when you're in the can, isn't that more of a commentary on your lack of earning power than it is on the publishers of WD?

"I'm poor, therefore you suck!"

Really?

I actually find this comment ill thought-out and a little offensive. I don't earn a huge salary some somehow I'm inferior? Nice. I don't think you have to be poor to want value for money, and being a student, my budget isn't huge, but I'd still like to read a good magazine. I don't think your sneering attitude is fair, just or appropriate.

I'm going to jump on the "Yak Should Send a Letter to Jervis" bandwagon.

Yak's obviously got some serious pull at GW now, so, it might actually help!

Iorek wrote:About two or three years ago, I called to see how much a subscription to White Dwarf was. I let my subscriptions lapse in the late 90's, and the sticker shock...er, shocked me. I remembered paying $24 a year (or some such number) and the $60 a year price was way too steep for what you get.

It's not a lack of earning power on my part, it's the fact that it's not a good bang for my buck.

Normally, magazine subscriptions provide a substantial discount to the subscriber. Like 50%. Or higher.

So if WD is $6 on the cover, the 1-year subscription should be less than $40. With a "bonus" thrown in. Not $60+.

Greebynog wrote:

Phryxis wrote:I don't really get why people complain about how expensive WD is. If you can't afford $6 a month for something to read when you're in the can, isn't that more of a commentary on your lack of earning power than it is on the publishers of WD?

"I'm poor, therefore you suck!"

Really?

I actually find this comment ill thought-out and a little offensive. I don't earn a huge salary some somehow I'm inferior? Nice. I don't think you have to be poor to want value for money, and being a student, my budget isn't huge, but I'd still like to read a good magazine. I don't think your sneering attitude is fair, just or appropriate.

What happened to the thick-skinned Dakka I used to know? Year ago, Phryxis' comment would have been returned in kind. "You're proud you can afford to buy a POS magazine every month!? Those $6 would have better spent on old cheese, you idiot!"

Something like that. But "It's offensive"? Come on!

I was merely tryiing to express my point without resorting to churlish mud-slinging, but, what the hell.

Phryxis, I suggest you use your superior earning power to purchase the largest, most viciously spiked cactus you can find, and insert it into the rectum you are so clearly talking out of.

Better?

Alpharius wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:

Alpharius wrote:inconceivable!

This word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

No, it does actually.

Especially if you think about it.

Did you see that? It was huge and just flew over your head! WHOOSH


Bring back Necromunda and Epic battle reports.

Greebynog wrote:I was merely tryiing to express my point without resorting to churlish mud-slinging, but, what the hell.

Phryxis, I suggest you use your superior earning power to purchase the largest, most viciously spiked cactus you can find, and insert it into the rectum you are so clearly talking out of.

Better?

Much. Thank you.

Yakface said it well. The mag is not what it once was. A fact that I had pushed to the back of my mind for the most part. I miss articles by Nigel Stilman (I know that is not spelled correctly).

If you used to read Citadel Journal and still think the current White Dwarf is still good please raise your hand. Just take those five little digits and shove em toward the sky.

Phryxis wrote:I don't really get why people complain about how expensive WD is. If you can't afford $6 a month for something to read when you're in the can, isn't that more of a commentary on your lack of earning power than it is on the publishers of WD?

"I'm poor, therefore you suck!"

Really?

I personally don't feel the need to flush my hard-earned money down the tiolet, regardless of how little the amount may be.

$6/issue x 12mos. = $72/year

Depending on your army, $72 is about 2-3 units. I'd rather invest my cash is somethign I can actually use, rather than a bunch of mass-produced pretty pictures. But, to each his own.

You must be the SPENDSPENDSPEND-type that the US economy loves so.

I stoped getting WD long time ago because internet stuff, like black gobbo had already nice hobby related stuff... Although WD is a nice packed catalogue, you can find it all online, so really no point on spending the money.
I could consider getting them if price wise they were about 2 or 3 euros top... or if editorial was a bit more relevant.

For some years I got rackham splendid cry havocs mag but unfortunatly it was discontinued and replaced by a poor newsletter...
So no hobby mags for me lately.

Thumbs up for a yakface letter and lets hope more interesting bits of hobby get covered on new WD.

About what time in the month do US subscribers receive their White Dwarves?