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The new phobos captain is not worse than previous primaris captain. He has more or less a master crafted stalker bolter with less range but the ability to hit characters, he can deepstrike, has an anti DS bubble and +1 attack. Sure he is bad, like all primaris captain until now.
   
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Love the Infiltrators and Suppressors! Really hope the Infiltrators and Eliminators get Kill Team rules as well, they would fit so well in that setting. If not you could just play them as Intercessors/Reivers and Scouts with sniper rifles I suppose.

The Captain is really all over the place with his rules, don't like him. The Librarian could be cool, love the model, but need to see his powers!

The Suppressors seem to have cool models, you can just sort of see a glimpse of them in their datasheet:


Overall I'm happy, think these will be a fine start into 40k. I just play 30k right now, and these guys kinda feel like 40k Alpha Legion with their infiltrating shenanigans.

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That Suppressor looks great.

Can't wait for the proper kit that gives 'em more than one gun option.

   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That Suppressor looks great.

Can't wait for the proper kit that gives 'em more than one gun option.


On primaris?
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Not Online!!! wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That Suppressor looks great.

Can't wait for the proper kit that gives 'em more than one gun option.


On primaris?
Optimistic much today


Can you point to primaris squads that don't have more than one option?
   
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Whilest i hope they do, what with GWs simplification i fear there won't be much variety.

Hellblasters? F.e.

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One Primaris kit has zero options, those are the Reivers (unless you call losing your gun in favour of a knife an "option"). I think the new Sniper guys will join them in the One-Option-To-Rule-Them-All stakes.

The rest have 2 opitons, except those lucky Hellblasters who have 3!

So odds on the Suppressors' full kill will have two guns. Here's hoping it's not another gun that does a vaguely similar thing to the first gun, like all the other Primaris units.

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I just don't understand why Primaris Marines have such dull options to begin with.

That is the appeal to Space Marines to begin with: Flexbility.
   
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Ok so infiltrators are kind of the ultimate board control unit. Set them up on objectives in cover and real effort is required to get rid of them. Genuinely good, so long as their price is reasonable. Their guns are even kind of ok, particularly with bolter drill. It’s arguably perfect for fighting daemons.

Eliminators look good to me too. They are a really serious threat to cheaper buffing characters like warlocks. Being heavy support is a problem but not the end of the world.

Depending on their cost, suppressors might be a better alternative to hellblasters. It’ll be interesting to see the maximum unit size on their proper data sheet too. If you can take 6 or 9 it might be good to stick them in a bastion. Dropping them in doesn’t seem terrible but I think you’d be better off deploying them somewhere out of sight instead.

Together, infiltrators, eliminators and suppressors make the idea of a primaris brigade more viable. I expect they’ll give cheaper fast and heavy options and some variety for troops.

The characters seem ok to me. The drop lieutenant has some value in missions where you need to get characters to objectives. He potentially works well with suppressors and inceptors, though obviously they’d prefer a captain. The librarian entirely depends on his powers really, though the freer deployment is nice to have. The captain seems quite bad, though probably not worse than a normal captain with a gun. I’d never take him over my fist of vengeance guy.

On the chaos side I think it’s very disappointing that the marines’ rules are unchanged. The greater possessed seem kind of useful as an elites pick to run around behind the cultists that you’ll still be taking as troops. Oblitorators are already used, so a buffthere is significant.

I’m confused by the box contents because it seems potentially one-sided. I’m not sure how the marines can deal with the spider and 3 oblits.

If it’s anything like dark imperium then therell be there’ll be 10 infiltrators, 3 eliminators and suppressors and 3 characters on the marine side. It’s harder to guess the chaos stuff because there’s less of a direct comparison with the pox walkers. I expect we’ll see a summoner and 2 posessed, 10 marines, the tick and X oblits.

Of course dark imperium also comes with the full rulebook. I don’t think this is going to have that, so there might be more minis instead.

I could easily see myself using all the primaris guys apart from the characters. If I get the set I’ll sell the chaos bits. I might just wait and see when the full primaris kits come out though.
   
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Sotahullu wrote:
I just don't understand why Primaris Marines have such dull options to begin with.
If there are no options, then no one can make third-party bits for them.

   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:


So odds on the Suppressors' full kill will have two guns. Here's hoping it's not another gun that does a vaguely similar thing to the first gun, like all the other Primaris units.

My money is on the same Autocannon, just with a differently shaped foregrip.

 
   
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If there’s a second gun I’d love it to be an onslaught Gatling cannon. It might make them too similar to inceptors though.

Just a thought but if reivers has the forward deployment option they’d be almost useable.

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If the Suppressor's do have an alternate gun, then I think the odds are good that it will be something more than a variation on the autocannon. The other two Primaris three man squads(Inceptors and Aggressors) both have two different weapon types. It seems to be the five/ten man squads that stick with variations on a theme.

That said its interesting that there is no speculation about a 2nd weapon loadout for the Eliminators. A mono build infantry squad would be a first for the Primaris range outside of the easy build kits.
   
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GoatboyBeta wrote:
If the Suppressor's do have an alternate gun, then I think the odds are good that it will be something more than a variation on the autocannon. The other two Primaris three man squads(Inceptors and Aggressors) both have two different weapon types. It seems to be the five/ten man squads that stick with variations on a theme.

That said its interesting that there is no speculation about a 2nd weapon loadout for the Eliminators. A mono build infantry squad would be a first for the Primaris range outside of the easy build kits.


Maybe but at the same time I think the sheer flexability afforded by the specialist ammo types makes for a lack of a perceived NEED for weapon varients.

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Sotahullu wrote:I just don't understand why Primaris Marines have such dull options to begin with.

That is the appeal to Space Marines to begin with: Flexbility.
I mean, there's far more than just that. Flexibility isn't the only appeal.

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Rogerio134134 wrote:
Looking at my Deathwatch list I'd be looking at swapping out 5 intercessors for the funky new infiltrators to give them a go and also may drop 5 hellblasters for the suppressors for a bit of long range firepower

Speaking of DW, I wonder how new guys will work with them. I can already see tears if the new guys can take SIA for their bolt weapons for usual price

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
One Primaris kit has zero options, those are the Reivers (unless you call losing your gun in favour of a knife an "option").

Yup, because heavy bolt pistols don't exist. Must be my imagination or something.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The rest have 2 opitons, except those lucky Hellblasters who have 3!

What are Intercessors for 200? Or vehicles and captains/lieutenants for that matter?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So odds on the Suppressors' full kill will have two guns.

Except this is not a starter set so it makes no sense for GW to make new ETB kits to sell for a month or so. These will be full kits if Infiltrators are any indication.

Sotahullu wrote:
I just don't understand why Primaris Marines have such dull options to begin with.

That is the appeal to Space Marines to begin with: Flexbility.

As compared to what? Tactical marine with his bolter, bolter, or bolter? Or assault one with chainsword/pistol?

I never got that complaint, their primaris equivalents have real choices changing how the whole unit plays, if 'dull', and only require full access to sarge table to be able to do much grater range of stuff than old squads ever could. And that is the problem with dumb GW rule writer, not their models. Of course, if they did have all the old options, then local complaint brigade would just switch to 'squat' tune...
   
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Do you think this box will be a new starter sett? bit odd that the modells most likely are nonopose
   
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 Irbis wrote:
Yup, because heavy bolt pistols don't exist. Must be my imagination or something.
Every post you make starts with you "Nuur! You are wrong!". It's tiresome.

 Irbis wrote:
What are Intercessors for 200? Or vehicles and captains/lieutenants for that matter?
Oh yes, you are correct. They have a third bolter. Hard to tell between three things that are all just slightly different.

And I clearly was't talking about vehicles of characters. Lern 2 context.

 Irbis wrote:
Except this is not a starter set so it makes no sense for GW to make new ETB kits to sell for a month or so. These will be full kits if Infiltrators are any indication.
Based on what? They put out ETB Bigger Dread and Not-Terminators, what's to stop them from doing so here? And everything we've seen indicates that these are starterset minis and not full kits.

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The Suppressers could potentially get missile launchers or las cannons as alternate weapons to the autocannons.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Irbis wrote:
Yup, because heavy bolt pistols don't exist. Must be my imagination or something.
Every post you make starts with you "Nuur! You are wrong!". It's tiresome.

 Irbis wrote:
What are Intercessors for 200? Or vehicles and captains/lieutenants for that matter?
Oh yes, you are correct. They have a third bolter. Hard to tell between three things that are all just slightly different.

And I clearly was't talking about vehicles of characters. Lern 2 context.

 Irbis wrote:
Except this is not a starter set so it makes no sense for GW to make new ETB kits to sell for a month or so. These will be full kits if Infiltrators are any indication.
Based on what? They put out ETB Bigger Dread and Not-Terminators, what's to stop them from doing so here? And everything we've seen indicates that these are starterset minis and not full kits.



To be fair, Irbis started his post talking about Deathwatch... And you were wrong. Intercessors weapons are quite different, especially with the better bolter rules and the additional Veteran upgrades from Vigilus. Plus they have an auxiliary grenade launcher and the sergeant can now take a range of close combat options (they’re not even included in the intercessors box, shock!). I also wouldn’t call the aggressors options “similar”, nor the inceptors for that matter. Other than the fact they’re guns that shoot... because they’re guns.

I think it’s also worth noting the aggressors and redemptor easy to build came out AFTER the full kits, they weren’t included in any box sets.

*edit* GW have also just said this is a “battlebox” on Facebook. If I’m not mistaken, other battlebox releases have contained full kits alongside “limited” datasheets.

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 Claimh_Solais wrote:
Do you think this box will be a new starter sett? bit odd that the modells most likely are nonopose


This is a battlebox. The chances of the models being monopose are slim to none.
   
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 Tiberius501 wrote:
The Suppressers could potentially get missile launchers or las cannons as alternate weapons to the autocannons.


I doubt MLs. They are normally in the over the shoulder cary, and these models look to be guns in front.

I’d put money on gatling cannons. They seem to be pushing them as a primaris heavy weapon, can be modeled with a similar pose, fill a different role then the autocannon, and rotary cannons look cool.

Plus, they can have people get the AC version from this box, and then have to purchase the full standalone box when it comes out for the weapon option that works a lot better with the suppressor platform.

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 Nevelon wrote:
 Tiberius501 wrote:
The Suppressers could potentially get missile launchers or las cannons as alternate weapons to the autocannons.


I doubt MLs. They are normally in the over the shoulder cary, and these models look to be guns in front.


https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Proteus-II-Pattern-Missile-Launchers-Set
   
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zanzibarthefirst wrote:
 Nevelon wrote:
 Tiberius501 wrote:
The Suppressers could potentially get missile launchers or las cannons as alternate weapons to the autocannons.


I doubt MLs. They are normally in the over the shoulder cary, and these models look to be guns in front.


https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Proteus-II-Pattern-Missile-Launchers-Set


I did say “Normally”

I was aware that some MLs are carried that way, but they are niche FW builds. I’ll stand by my guess that MLs are not on the menu for the suppressors.

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 Nevelon wrote:
zanzibarthefirst wrote:
 Nevelon wrote:
 Tiberius501 wrote:
The Suppressers could potentially get missile launchers or las cannons as alternate weapons to the autocannons.


I doubt MLs. They are normally in the over the shoulder cary, and these models look to be guns in front.


https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Proteus-II-Pattern-Missile-Launchers-Set


I did say “Normally”

I was aware that some MLs are carried that way, but they are niche FW builds. I’ll stand by my guess that MLs are not on the menu for the suppressors.


Yeah missile launchers are definitely a lot less likely but I could see Las Cannons. The pose fits and could swap the bullet chain for a power wire. And Gatling Cannons are also possible too, I agree.
   
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I would love to see big bad Primaris marines carrying underslung missile launchers.

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I'd say more like Las-Talons, where you need the Grav-Chutes to migitate the shorter range.
   
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Mr Insomniac wrote:
*edit* GW have also just said this is a “battlebox” on Facebook. If I’m not mistaken, other battlebox releases have contained full kits alongside “limited” datasheets.
Just seems weird that the CSM squad would have that set kit if the kit inside can be built however.

I certainly hope it's a real kit.

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 Insane Ivan wrote:
GW’s Facebook says the full box contents will be revealed today at 6pm GMT.



Nice, cant wait to get a good look at the models.
   
 
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