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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 13:18:36
Subject: Pre painted space marines?
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Otiose in a Niche
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Nah, not yet.
Scared you though didn't I. Well it scared me too.
No worries, it's just the War Store selling painted Black Reach Marines.
http://www.thewarstore.com/PAINTEDBlackReach.html
Not bad. And just $30 for a dread.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 13:31:33
Subject: Pre painted space marines?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Why would that be scary? Could I get some PPP Guardsmen Squads?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 13:36:44
Subject: Pre painted space marines?
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[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
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Scottywan82 wrote:Why would that be scary? Could I get some PPP Guardsmen Squads?
We talked about GW doing prepaints once and people were swearing they would never buy anything from GW again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 14:09:37
Subject: Pre painted space marines?
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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I wouldn't.
Kind of defies the nature of the GW Hobby Game. What the models do on the board is only part of the appeal!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 14:35:57
Subject: Re:Pre painted space marines?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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And GW knows that well enough.
I remember when people screamed bloody murder when GW announced the snap-fit models for their starter sets.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 15:37:40
Subject: Re:Pre painted space marines?
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Using Object Source Lighting
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You scared me!
Prepainted would kill it for me also... like it killed everything it touched...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 15:45:50
Subject: Pre painted space marines?
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Stubborn Temple Guard
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I don't think it would be a bad thng for for things like Guardsmen and very generic troops that won't hve a large variance.
Of course, I can't come up with anything that would work on other than Guardsmen...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 15:45:54
Subject: Pre painted space marines?
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Did Fulgrim Just Behead Ferrus?
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Couldn't you just repaint the pre-painted stuff? I mean, this might be handy if you have to get an entire Imperial Guard regiment you could get the pre-painted platoons and simply paint your commanders and stuff. Especially for Apocalypse stuff this would be great.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 15:49:34
Subject: Pre painted space marines?
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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Not the point.
IT means kids getting into it without developing the hobby. Pre-paints, essentially, are the anti-thesis of GW's plan.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 15:50:01
Subject: Pre painted space marines?
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
No. VA USA
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yes you could Malika2, but then why pay for prepainted in the first place?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 15:52:19
Subject: Pre painted space marines?
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Madrak Ironhide
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If they switched to prepainted, they better change the rules, because prepainted
40k 3,4 and 5e wouldn't give me very much reason to keep buying stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 15:52:51
Subject: Re:Pre painted space marines?
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Using Object Source Lighting
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Also prepainted plastic is more expensive than just plastic... and ussualy less detailed.
In GW it would be a confliting product.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 15:57:20
Subject: Pre painted space marines?
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Did Fulgrim Just Behead Ferrus?
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Hmm, it didn't look too bad with Rackam's AT-43 I think...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 16:02:35
Subject: Re:Pre painted space marines?
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Using Object Source Lighting
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far away looks good
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 16:10:02
Subject: Re:Pre painted space marines?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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But when you hold them up close..
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 16:13:22
Subject: Pre painted space marines?
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[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
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Marines are better than guard since there are popular chapters with set color schemes. Even the Cadians don't have a single color scheme someone could mass produce.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 16:31:08
Subject: Pre painted space marines?
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Did Fulgrim Just Behead Ferrus?
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Hmm, well what about letting people choose? You could have some ranges of pre-painted stuff but also have the normal material. The normal material would be great for those who can paint or want to learn to paint, kind of what we have now while the pre-painted stuff would be nice for those who only want to game and have no interest in the hobby or don't have the skills to do it.
I mean, I'd rather see battle-reports with decent looking pre-painted stuff than battlereports with non-painted models on there!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 16:37:27
Subject: Pre painted space marines?
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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Malika2 wrote:Hmm, well what about letting people choose?
NEVER!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 18:04:37
Subject: Pre painted space marines?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I don't get this rage about PPP GW, especially if they also keep up the range of non-painted stuff. I have a feeling IF they ever did it, and that's a long shot anyway, it's only be Troops/Core units and even then most likely just stuff you'd need tons of anyway, like Guardsmen, Empire State Troops, Gaunts, Orks, Orcs, Goblins, Skaven, etc. It also seems it'd be more useful for Fantasy horde armies than anything for 40K. Then again, I like PPP Rackham and the newer stuff for AT-43 looks good, even up close.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 18:16:46
Subject: Re:Pre painted space marines?
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Sneaky Kommando
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I don't understand the push for prepainted. If you want to pay a premium for them to get painted there are plenty of painting services that will do it to your specifications. If GW were to do it, they would dumb down the existing minis (you couldn't assemble the way you want and conversions would be harder and more expensive). And currently, GW has a hard enough time supporting all of its existing product lines (slow codex release schedule etc.) to take on yet another range of products.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 18:20:15
Subject: Pre painted space marines?
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Ruthless Rafkin
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Hobby Game.
It's there in the title. Hobby.
Play a boardgame if you don't want to paint stuff, or get paintedfigs to do it for you.
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40k is about slamming two slegdehammers together and hoping the other breaks first. Malifaux is about fighting with scalpels trying to hit select areas and hoping you connect more. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 18:24:49
Subject: Pre painted space marines?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Valhallan42nd wrote:Hobby Game. It's there in the title. Hobby. Play a boardgame if you don't want to paint stuff, or get paintedfigs to do it for you. Again, I call BS on this. Collecting porcelain figures and action figures are also considered hobbies and don't require anything your so called Hobby Game needs. CCGs and CMGs are still considered hobbies, despite not needing any assembly or painting. This reasoning didn't hold up in the AT-43 vs 40K thread and it doesn't hold up here, since you can still convert and repaint PPP. Collecting is a hobby(ie. anything done outside of one's occupation), no matter what GW tells us.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 18:28:37
Subject: Pre painted space marines?
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Long-Range Ultramarine Land Speeder Pilot
Whitebear lake Minnesota.
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they should make prepainted EPIC models that would be cool.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 18:43:42
Subject: Pre painted space marines?
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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^ Agreed.
I would love prepainted models as long as the poses and paint jobs were okay, painting is the one thing I hate most about this hobby and I don't really have the money to get an army painted fully by someone else anways. You can always just touch up the pre paints anyways if they are a bit sloppy, its what I did for ma Heroclix figures.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 20:36:37
Subject: Pre painted space marines?
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Stubborn Temple Guard
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The push for prepainted is simple:
Time and money.
I have so many friggin' figs to paint I will probably never be done even if I paint 5 per day. And I don't paint that fast because I want my stuff to look good.
Sure, I could pay to have someone else paint them, but I already paid for the models, and most people charge ridiculous rates. $7 per model in a Troop squad? That's more than $200 for ONE unit of gaunts. You have to be kidding me. I feel I rip people off at $3 a model for table top quality. Let alone the $0.50 per color I charge for characters.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 20:47:16
Subject: Pre painted space marines?
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Sneaky Kommando
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Mattlov wrote:And I don't paint that fast because I want my stuff to look good.
I've never seen a prepainted mini that comes close to someone's slow dedicated effort to make their minis look good. Prepaints are typically below average tabletop quality standard and they cost more than non-painted minis.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 23:37:17
Subject: Pre painted space marines?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Tazok wrote:Mattlov wrote:And I don't paint that fast because I want my stuff to look good.
I've never seen a prepainted mini that comes close to someone's slow dedicated effort to make their minis look good. Prepaints are typically below average tabletop quality standard and they cost more than non-painted minis.
Completely anecdotal, for one, and untrue for two. Are we discussing the amount of plastic in a given kit? Because I cite any elite unit made by GW as evidence that this is not true. Sure, maybe a comparable company (Rackham, for instance) effectively charges more per mini for elites, but they don't charge more per BOX for elites like GW does. $30 for a 10-man tac squad, $50 for 5 termies. AT-43 is $30 for 8 Infantry and then $30 for 3 elites. Already cleaned, already assembled, ready to play out fo the box. So no spending a weekend doing all that. I play with them day 1. And they are 100% repaintable if you want them up to your "standards". And as for dollar to dollar, of course PPP is more expensive. Until you calculate in the time spent to paint the unpainted minis. Do it at 50% of minimum wage. It'll cost you more per figure if you spend even 3 hours on a 10 man squad.
As to paint jobs, you must only be factoring in people who actually PAINT their minis. That's a completely unfair comparison. Compare PPP with the number of total minis in a range. How many people purchase and assemble, but then never paint, or half paint a figure? Sure their Leader looks great. Too bad the rest of his marines are matte black, or a lovely shade of gray. Poll on here what percentage of a persons total miniatures collection (excluding prepaints) is painted. The answer will probably be an average of 30-40%. Whereas 100% of a PPP mini is painted and ready.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/19 23:42:20
Subject: Pre painted space marines?
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
The Realms of the Unreal, of the Glandeco-Angelinnian War Storm, Caused by the Child Slave Rebellion
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Platuan4th wrote:Valhallan42nd wrote:Hobby Game.
It's there in the title. Hobby.
Play a boardgame if you don't want to paint stuff, or get paintedfigs to do it for you.
Again, I call BS on this. Collecting porcelain figures and action figures are also considered hobbies and don't require anything your so called Hobby Game needs. CCGs and CMGs are still considered hobbies, despite not needing any assembly or painting. This reasoning didn't hold up in the AT-43 vs 40K thread and it doesn't hold up here, since you can still convert and repaint PPP. Collecting is a hobby(ie. anything done outside of one's occupation), no matter what GW tells us.
I collect action figures, but I paint them. Ever since I started painting figurines my standards have been too high to tolerate mistakes on the paint of my figures. Seriously, I think out of the thousands of figures I own only a handful have received no modifications to the paint.
Back on topic, I would not buy painted miniatures.
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2 - The hobbiest - The guy who likes the minis for what they are, loves playing with painted armies, using offical mini's in a friendly setting. Wants to play on boards with good terrain.
Devlin Mud is cheating.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/20 03:30:14
Subject: Pre painted space marines?
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Ruthless Rafkin
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Platuan4th wrote:Valhallan42nd wrote:Hobby Game.
It's there in the title. Hobby.
Play a boardgame if you don't want to paint stuff, or get paintedfigs to do it for you.
Again, I call BS on this. Collecting porcelain figures and action figures are also considered hobbies and don't require anything your so called Hobby Game needs. CCGs and CMGs are still considered hobbies, despite not needing any assembly or painting. This reasoning didn't hold up in the AT-43 vs 40K thread and it doesn't hold up here, since you can still convert and repaint PPP. Collecting is a hobby(ie. anything done outside of one's occupation), no matter what GW tells us.
You're allowed to call BS all you want. It's my opinion, not fact. Is there a difference between getting someone else to paint your mini's for you, or having them painted before hand? There is an extra step, and you're then aware of the additional cost of labor. With prepaints, the company will then pass that cost along to you.
Given the additional labor, which would likely be either UK or US based, there would be significant increase in price, and a drop in army diversity, since chimpy lazy  s will then flock to the stock options. A retailer would then also need to stock at least two of the same sku, the prepaint and unpaint type. Heaven forbid that you want yellow marines instead of blue.
Of course, the company could go with cheap Asian labor, but I like the fact that the models I buy are produced in countries that have some semblance of health regulations. The Thames is filthy, but I'd still rather swim there than the Yang-tse.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/12/20 03:59:35
Subject: Re:Pre painted space marines?
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Fate-Controlling Farseer
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NAVARRO wrote:You scared me!
Prepainted would kill it for me also... like it killed everything it touched...
*shrugs* AT-43 has a decent following at my LGS. I'm not against the idea of prepainted, as long as it didn't look horrible. Some of us have no artistic talent at all.
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