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I don't know why people make such a fuss over this topic. Some people will use PP's and some people will prefer to paint their own. BFD. It isn't as if anyone is going to refuse to play someone because they use PP mini's. It isn't a major problem that some people have to be such self-righteous pricks over it.

If GW goes PP only then yes there is a problem for those of us who enjoy painting - we will stop playing like Rackham found out with Confrontation. One would assume that GW isn't going to make that mistake.

Personally, I welcome PP for basic troops. I hate painting 50 stupid marines or 120 orcs. What a waste of time and life. Don't want HQ or the more individual models PP though - thats the fun part. Don't see why I should have to suffer doing grunt work for a fun hobby though.

My arguement is against prepaints, but has also been for pro-painters. If you don't want to paint 150 hormogaunts, you don't have to. Play them unprimed if you're a gamer, play them propainted if your time is better spent elsewhere.

For instance, if I bought my new daemon army through painted figs, it would only cost me $155 over retail, assuming I paid for all of them upfront. That's standard quality, mind you, but still... It might be worth it for those interested in PPP to investigate post, rather than pre paint.

Prepaints are fine.

Certainly, prepaints will look better than partly-built, unpainted models.

I'll prepaint anyones models for 10 dollars an hour. Seriously. I need the money and I'm an ok painter.


PM for inquiries!

ShumaGorath wrote:I'll prepaint anyones models for 10 dollars an hour. Seriously. I need the money and I'm an ok painter.


PM for inquiries!

How many models per hour?



If we get PP-models, there will be:

SM = smurf-blue
IG = cadia green-brown
orcs = green with random 2nd color
Necron = boltgun metal
Tau = Brown
CSM= black
Nids = fleshy

:S :S :S

could be cheap "snap-fit" models too....

How many models per hour?

*shrugs* A lot? I assembly line paint, which means that I apply the same detail to the same 10 models in succession, then move on to the next detail required (I assume most people paint this way). I can be snappy.

could be cheap "snap-fit" models too...

Leggo 40k!

ShumaGorath wrote:Leggo 40k!

Wargaming pasta sauce?

insaniak wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Leggo 40k!

Wargaming pasta sauce?

Nope. Wargaming waffles ('Leggo my Eggo).

ShumaGorath wrote:

How many models per hour?

*shrugs* A lot? I assembly line paint, which means that I apply the same detail to the same 10 models in succession, then move on to the next detail required (I assume most people paint this way). I can be snappy.

could be cheap "snap-fit" models too...

Leggo 40k!

I just had to add that while I'm very interested in knowing what Shuma's price per model painting service is, his intensely annoying signature has forced me to block content from flickr.

Stonefox can hold the torch for awesome faces for me. I aped his signature.

while I'm very interested in knowing what Shuma's price per model painting service is

I've painted four of my own armies and a bloodbowl team, and I have no idea what the price per model would be (hence the hourly wage, though I do paint fairly quickly). I also really only have before the 12th to finish things and send them out (I go back to school then).

It's something I've wanted to do for a while though. At the very least I'll probably start doing it more heavily in the coming summer. I'll post up some pictures and more concrete pricing in a blog thingy on the blog section tomorrow.

I would probably quit the hobby. Then what would I do with my free time GW? I'm a gamer i'm not allowd to hava a social life. lol

Valhallan42nd wrote:If you want painted mini's bluetable and paintedfigs are there to help you get to that point. You'll be able to give them custom schemes, etc. They're just post painted.

Or for half to 1/3 the price, I could play with an unpainted army. PPP figures are not significantly differently priced, and painting services are outrageously priced(IMO). But, I do actually paint my own stuff, including some PPP stuff.

I have my 6mm figures painted for me by a service because my poor old eyes simply can't cope with their smallness any more.

It is expensive but it let me get a big army, nicely painted, really quickly. They were done by Reinforcements By Post who are based in Bangladesh.

I still paint my onw 15mm and 28mm though.

Kilkrazy wrote:I have my 6mm figures painted for me by a service because my poor old eyes simply can't cope with their smallness any more.

It is expensive but it let me get a big army, nicely painted, really quickly. They were done by Reinforcements By Post who are based in Bangladesh.

I still paint my onw 15mm and 28mm though.

Yeah, I can understand why people do it(especially those with poor eyesight[I'm nearly legally blind]), I'd just rather spend that money on more figures.

I've got about 100 bases of Russian 6mm which is enough to play the battle of Borodino using corps scale rules.

If I saved the money on painting, I would have a lot more figures I wouldn't be able to use because they would be bare metal.

For a lot of people, the problem isn't money to buy figures it is time to paint them.

@KK: There are lots of people with more money than time, and they shouldn't be penalized or looked down upon for wanting to play instead of paint.

JohnHwangDD wrote:@KK: There are lots of people with more money than time, and they shouldn't be penalized or looked down upon for wanting to play instead of paint.

Exactly so.

I dont have any issues with what people choose to do, its their perrogative... and I totally respect it. For me the prepainted debate is more about the path of a determined company... and whats the potential for them to produce more and more inferior quality PPP instead of the current products that I personally prefer.
Hapened to rackham and I hope it doesnt happen to other companies were I like to buy my minis. But I have said that already.

Also if a guy aproaches me with his painted army and convertions etc theres a bridge for hobby talk, and debate things why he did that way, share tips and tricks, ideas etc... If a guy aproaches me with a PPP army theres not much "hobby" to talk about... It doesnt mean I look up or something or that I dont respect his preferences, it means thats a subject out of the table, just that.

JohnHwangDD wrote:@KK: There are lots of people with more money than time, and they shouldn't be penalized or looked down upon for wanting to play instead of paint.

Deferred gratification is a big component of this hobby. Trying to cut corners typically lessens the enjoyment of the hobby for all involved (i.e playing without an assembled/painted army on nice terrain)

For me, playing someone without a painted army is like playing someone who doesn't know the rules at all.

I obviously understand the person who only has time to game. I might rib them a bit, but since I'm playing with unpainted/unfinished pieces currently, I'm likely to include myself in those jabs. My friend can't paint, his hands shake, and he really can't hold a brush steady enough to do detail work.

I just look at the general quality of PPP, and where PPP comes from (China), and I'd rather spend money on an American/UK manufacturer that I can customize.

I'd also like to remind Dakkaties that GW's idea of what a squad should look like, and our idea of what a squad should look like are two different things. Unless you want all your tac squads with flamer/ML/sgt's with CCW and BP.

The quality of any PPP far surpasses an unpainted model.

And the quality of the work from China is exceptionally good. Check out McFarlane's toys some time.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

And the quality of the work from China is exceptionally good

I disagree. 80% of goods (toys ,plastics) with quality or security issues come from there.

China might be able to produce quality,but this has to be ordered from foreign companys and maximizing profit with cheaper products isn't aimed at quality at low price.

I think a "prepaint service" where you can order minis and used paint-schemes could do well,if their quality is good.

WRT your 80% figure, given that well over 90% of all toys come from China, if only 80% of the problems are from China, they're clearly doing better than the rest of the world.

Back when I "collected" toys, about a decade ago, I bought loads of McFarlane toys. All were Chinese, and they set the bar for quality mass production. Their toys had a level of detail that had never been made available before. Since that time, the technology has only gotten better, as more of the work has been taken over by the Chinese designers themselves.

When you talk about quality at a low price, in general, that is pretty much the fact. The toys we have today simply wouldn't be possible at their current price points without Chinese labor and production.

And given that money is a resource, Kraftwerke is going to stay long gone.

I used to look at a good deal of the McFarlane toys, and I didn't like the paint job, to be honest. They're not bad, but they're not great. I'd rather paint my mini's TBH.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

And given that money is a resource, Kraftwerke is going to stay long gone.

explain kraftwerke. ?


You get what you order and PrePainted sounds like cheap "ready to play" minis for under 12 year olds (maybe new customers?).

Pre-painted stuff needs to be designed from the ground up for easy assembly and painting.

1hadhq wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

And given that money is a resource, Kraftwerke is going to stay long gone.

explain kraftwerke. ?


You get what you order and PrePainted sounds like cheap "ready to play" minis for under 12 year olds (maybe new customers?).

I think he's giving a try at German and is trying to guess that "kraftwerke" is the German word for craftsmanship. If so, the possible word he was looking for could be "Kunstfertigkeit" but don't hold me on it.

BrookM wrote:

1hadhq wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

And given that money is a resource, Kraftwerke is going to stay long gone.

explain kraftwerke. ?


You get what you order and PrePainted sounds like cheap "ready to play" minis for under 12 year olds (maybe new customers?).

I think he's giving a try at German and is trying to guess that "kraftwerke" is the German word for craftsmanship. If so, the possible word he was looking for could be "Kunstfertigkeit" but don't hold me on it.

It's just a pity that Kraftwerk is both a German band from Düsseldorf and means power station, making his quote even more confusing.

Tazok wrote: For me, playing someone without a painted army is like playing someone who doesn't know the rules at all.

Elitist much?

I would only ever buy painted guardsmen. I cant see myself running them unless I have 150+ guardsmen.

On the other hand ive painted things for others and its fine by me. For some people the hobby isn't about painting models and making that one "omg how'd you do that" fig. Its about interacting with fellow gamers and to some degrees (fantasy comes to mind) The tactical aspect of the game.

So if it suites them to get others to paint their minis then go them. They will never have an army to truly call thier own except for build, But maybe they don't want to show up with an all Grey army.

Platuan4th wrote:

Tazok wrote: For me, playing someone without a painted army is like playing someone who doesn't know the rules at all.

Elitist much?

Well if caring about verisimilitude makes me an elitist then yes I am. Otherwise, I'm all about having an engaging battle with an adversary where I can really get into the 40k universe (with painted minis instead of gray plastic toys). Hopefully that makes sense.

In my experience the majority of people that don't take the time to paint their armies aren't the best players to play against. Yes there are exceptions to this, but I consider my hobby time valuable and don't want to waste it in a situation where I won't have a good time.