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Fafnir wrote:

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:Would someone with a reddit account please post in that thread asking about Heavy Vehicles/Deep Striking/Ordnance Shooting? Basically, I want to figure out if it is once again viable to Deep Strike my Monolith onto the board without worrying about it never getting to the battlefield, or if the the only benefit that tactic got is the slightly less lethal mishap table, and if it can fire all of its guns while moving or if the ordnance rule still prohibits that.

Guy with the book finished answering questions a long time ago.

I saw he was turning in for the night, thought he'd be back tomorrow.

Say, why's everyone hating on the allies rule. I think its great!!! No longer can anyone complain a codex is broken, as you can either ally their units or make a combo to destroy them. Now each codex won't be restricted to one or two lists, it opens new doors in list building. Not to mention it will be extremely fun to play

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:DRAIGO!!! AWW YEAH!!! TEAMING UP WITH EVERY ARMY TO SAVE THE UNIVERSE!!!

DRAIGO a-ah
Savior of the Universe
DRAIGO a-ah
He'll save every one of us

DRAIGO a-ah
He's a miracle

DRAIGO a-ah
King of the impossible

He's for every one of us
Stand for every one of us
He save with a mighty hand
Every man, every woman
Every child, with a mighty

DRAIGO

DRAIGO a-ah

DRAIGO a-ah
He'll save every one of us

Just a man
With a man's courage
You know he's
Nothing but a man
And he can never fail
No one but the pure at heart
May find the Golden Grail
...Oh..Oh........Oh..Oh ................

DRAIGO

Zathras wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:DRAIGO!!! AWW YEAH!!! TEAMING UP WITH EVERY ARMY TO SAVE THE UNIVERSE!!!

DRAIGO a-ah
Savior of the Universe
DRAIGO a-ah
He'll save every one of us

DRAIGO a-ah
He's a miracle

DRAIGO a-ah
King of the impossible

He's for every one of us
Stand for every one of us
He save with a mighty hand
Every man, every woman
Every child, with a mighty

DRAIGO

DRAIGO a-ah

DRAIGO a-ah
He'll save every one of us

Just a man
With a man's courage
You know he's
Nothing but a man
And he can never fail
No one but the pure at heart
May find the Golden Grail
...Oh..Oh........Oh..Oh ................

DRAIGO

Queen would like a word with you....

So how long before 7th comes out?

This is just ridiculous.

Breotan wrote:

Brother Axel wrote:Eldar + Dark Eldar = Brothers in Arms

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

Actually, this one makes sense if you accept the old adage that blood is thicker than water. The differences between Eldar & Dark Eldar are basically political and not like the loyalist/chaos drama from the Horus Heresy. Think of the relationship as more "self-absorbed civilian" Eldar vs. "hard-line militant" Eldar instead of Chaos Eldar vs. Army Eldar. A member of a DE Cabal could easily have relatives, even siblings, following a path on one of the Craftworlds and vice versa. They may not like the other's decisions but I doubt they actually hate each other. Also, both can take Harlequins so there's a pretty strong connection there. I expect that when it serves their needs they'll ally up quickly, especially if Harlequins are pushing the agenda.

Essentially, the Dark Eldar looks at his Craftworld Eldar peer, and says to him, with deep angst in his voice and a pained expression "You used to be cool, man!"


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balsak_da_mighty wrote:So how long before 7th comes out?

This is just ridiculous.

Oh, don't worry, 7th edition, we'll just wave our models around in our hands while making whooshing noises, and occasionally smash our models into each other for climactic effect while making exploding noises.

Fafnir wrote:

Breotan wrote:

Brother Axel wrote:Eldar + Dark Eldar = Brothers in Arms

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

Actually, this one makes sense if you accept the old adage that blood is thicker than water. The differences between Eldar & Dark Eldar are basically political and not like the loyalist/chaos drama from the Horus Heresy. Think of the relationship as more "self-absorbed civilian" Eldar vs. "hard-line militant" Eldar instead of Chaos Eldar vs. Army Eldar. A member of a DE Cabal could easily have relatives, even siblings, following a path on one of the Craftworlds and vice versa. They may not like the other's decisions but I doubt they actually hate each other. Also, both can take Harlequins so there's a pretty strong connection there. I expect that when it serves their needs they'll ally up quickly, especially if Harlequins are pushing the agenda.

Essentially, the Dark Eldar looks at his Craftworld Eldar peer, and says to him, with deep angst in his voice and a pained expression "You used to be cool, man!"


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balsak_da_mighty wrote:So how long before 7th comes out?

This is just ridiculous.

Oh, don't worry, 7th edition, we'll just wave our models around in our hands while making whooshing noises, and occasionally smashing models into each other for climactic effect.

To which the Craftworld Eldar retorts "Poser!", while snapping his fingers in a z formation.

None of us have even played a single game of 6th edition yet so many folks are putting it down at every chance.

I love the internet.

I'm loving all the stuff I've seen from 6th except random charge range

Guy with book is back on reddit.

And now he's off. Some new info including warlord traits.

tetrisphreak wrote:None of us have even played a single game of 6th edition yet so many folks are putting it down at every chance.

I love the internet.

I think people can get an informed opinion on what has been explained about some of the new rules. Is it that hard to understand that some of us dislike what we are hearing. Sure there might be some things that haven't been explained, but I for one am not in a real good mood about what I am hearing.

Most of the people on here are allready trying to break it before its out. Don't you think that is a problem? I know I do.

I hate the idea of the Ally rules and after reading the last um 6 or so pages makes that decision that much more strong. So I am sorry if I have a negative attitude about it. but Its really hard not to at this point.

quilava1 wrote:Say, why's everyone hating on the allies rule. I think its great!!! No longer can anyone complain a codex is broken, as you can either ally their units or make a combo to destroy them. Now each codex won't be restricted to one or two lists, it opens new doors in list building. Not to mention it will be extremely fun to play

Yeah! Lemme just check out which codexes Tyranids can ally with!

Oh. Oh no. This can't be right.
Everybody gets allies, right?
... Not everybody? Oh. So Daemons don't ally, right? They do? Oh, that makes sense. Tau - everyone hates space commits, right? Oh. Well surely Nids aren't the only odd man out, right? Even Dark Eldar get - what? They can ally with their ancient brethren? And both sides are non-homicidal about it?

Is there a silver lining, like allies cost 50% more? Well, we can just count allies out of our gaming group then, right?

Guys?

I'm so forever alone...

tuiman wrote:I think 1850 should be a good balance, so no abusing the 2 foc shennanigans, but large enough so you can take your bastions or allies etc

I can see current 2000 point games (like my FLGS does) being either specified as 2000 points, 1 FOC, or simply drop to 1999 points.

Matt.Kingsley wrote:I'm loving all the stuff I've seen from 6th except random charge range

I don't have a problem with the random charge range as a compromise to allow for pre-measuring.

If all of your movement is set in stone, it just turns the game into a geometry session.

I agree with Mr Kingsley on this one. Other than the random charge crap I actually like it. Allies are going to be great for fun games with friends.

As far as tournament play is concerned for the allies rules not no but hell no.

Allies do help fill gaps in armies to make them more competitive.

According to the net the current top tier armies for tournaments are:
Grey Knights, Space Wolves, Imperial Guard and depending on who you talk to Dark Eldar and Necrons are in that list as well. What happens when 2 top tier armies get to start picking units from each others codexes to make themselves into unstoppable killing machines of doom?

Thats why it will get banned in tournaments. Even if the standard tournament is 1500-1850 the option for Allies still opens the door for way too much confusion. You could go to a 20 person tournament and literally see every codex in the game represented in some fashion. That means that everyone will have to know what every army is capable of almost down to the unit entries in their dex.

ConfusionHammer is a very good way to describe that if allies are legal in tournaments.

Honestly, with few exceptions I am sort of liking what I see in 6th. I think it will be a fun game to play with friends. However, I think it would need some SERIOUS tweaking for competitive play (Assuming all of this is true of course).

insaniak wrote:
If all of your movement is set in stone, it just turns the game into a geometry session.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Reivax26 wrote:You could go to a 20 person tournament and literally see every codex in the game represented in some fashion.

Um, that can happen now...

That means that everyone will have to know what every army is capable of almost down to the unit entries in their dex.

Why?

If I take Long Fangs in an Ultramarines list, why is it suddenly more important for my opponent to know what they do than it would have been if I were just playing Space Wolves?


If you're playig in tournaments and don't have a working knowledge of every codex, you're handicapping yourself. Allies won't change that.

Why can't Tyranids ally with anyone?

If Daemons and Dark Eldar can work together, then why can't Tyranids and Tau? The relationship would be somewhat similar, no?

tetrisphreak wrote:None of us have even played a single game of 6th edition yet so many folks are putting it down at every chance.

I love the internet.

Exactly. I commented that everybody's overreacting based on "some guy with a book on Reddit" and got smashed with a Silence!Hammer. All of these rumours and speculation I'm not believing until I have the new rulebook in my hands and can read it with my own eyes. I'm highly skeptical that Allies are going to be as powerful as people think they are. It just seems too easy to exploit and make an uber-cheese WAAC list.

Fafnir wrote:

insaniak wrote:
If all of your movement is set in stone, it just turns the game into a geometry session.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

It is. I'm playing a wargame. Some people mind find it fun to calculate the exact distance between every unit on the board every turn (or to watch their opponent doing so...), but I think it would get old really quickly.

insaniak wrote:

Fafnir wrote:

insaniak wrote:
If all of your movement is set in stone, it just turns the game into a geometry session.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

It is. I'm playing a wargame. Some people mind find it fun to calculate the exact distance between every unit on the board every turn (or to watch their opponent doing so...), but I think it would get old really quickly.

Can you check to see if firing an Ordnance weapon still disallows a vehicle from firing all other weapons?

[–]Rixitotal[S] 2 points 8 minutes ago
yes.


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[–]skarred 1 point 23 minutes ago
how does stealth work? move through cover? furious charge?
auto fleeing from combat?

[–]Rixitotal[S] 2 points 16 minutes ago
all the same except FC doesn't give +1 I. not sure what you mean by auto felling combat.

[–]skarred 1 point 14 minutes ago
there were rumours that a unit can choose to fail the ld test to run away if they wish, to get out of a combat. How does combat work, you charge in... how do defenders react (after overwatch)

[–]Rixitotal[S] 2 points 10 minutes ago
you can do that if you cant hurt you opponent, so against wraithlords and dreds you can auto flee yes. but not if ure fearless.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Why can't Tyranids ally with anyone?

If Daemons and Dark Eldar can work together, then why can't Tyranids and Tau? The relationship would be somewhat similar, no?

Because then tyranids would have acess to ranged anti-mech weapons.... That would be like if an assasult army like Tyranids had acess to assault gernades. Crazy HMBC...

Tau tanks aren't actually Fast, they can just buy an upgrade to fire as Fast, so presumably Jink won't work for them.

[–]Rixitotal[S] 2 points 13 minutes ago
no all skimmers get jink.



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Can dreadnoughts and MC's overwatch? can tanks overwatch?

[–]Rixitotal[S] 2 points 15 minutes ago
yes, but cant shoot blast weapons so no battle canons on overwatch.

You are doing a great job keeping us updated tetrisphreak

Some of these sound...interesting

Now try charging a squad of 3 russes, if they have say, hull heavy flamer, side sponsons the same?

tetrisphreak wrote:Tau tanks aren't actually Fast, they can just buy an upgrade to fire as Fast, so presumably Jink won't work for them.

[–]Rixitotal[S] 2 points 13 minutes ago
no all skimmers get jink.



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Can dreadnoughts and MC's overwatch? can tanks overwatch?

[–]Rixitotal[S] 2 points 15 minutes ago
yes, but cant shoot blast weapons so no battle canons on overwatch.

@tetrisphreak
Can you ask about changes to squadron rules? With the addition of so many fliers, i'm wondering if anything changed.

insaniak wrote:

Reivax26 wrote:You could go to a 20 person tournament and literally see every codex in the game represented in some fashion.

Um, that can happen now...

That means that everyone will have to know what every army is capable of almost down to the unit entries in their dex.

Why?

If I take Long Fangs in an Ultramarines list, why is it suddenly more important for my opponent to know what they do than it would have been if I were just playing Space Wolves?


If you're playig in tournaments and don't have a working knowledge of every codex, you're handicapping yourself. Allies won't change that.

Another problem I have with the allies is that it allows people to mix/match marine codices together.

Why would somebody ever take a Space Marine Librarian, Space Marine, Tactical Squad, and Devastator Squad when they can just take their better Space Wolves counterparts with no repercussions? Why would somebody every take Space Marine Assault squads when they can take their Blood Angels counterparts (along with their better Librarians) that are scoring. This basically kills codex Space Marines.

does that mean a crozius would count as a maul?

[–]Rixitotal[S] 2 points 22 minutes ago
yea it would, +2 S and AP4 is a maul. no affect on I.



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alarmingrick wrote:double post?

I'm not active on reddit. I'm live copying Rixitotal's replies in context, it's quicker and easier than skimming through the 400+ comments in the thread. If it comes up ill make sure it's pasted somewhere in this thread.

Am I the only one playing Tyranids that takes the next bit of spite in line?
Mostly it is ok because it only indirectly inhibits us playing, right?

I mean, if you are awesome, things still go well!
Most people just get kicked since they are down.