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This is straight from him - no summaries or compilations on my part:

A disclaimer. Games Workshop is currently adding the final touches to the IG Codex and as such any info you read here is not guaranteed by myself. What I present here is info I have gathered from various sources one of which is a mock up of the Codex which may be a key part in the final production. As the codex has yet to be formally prepared for print all info is subject to change and/or be removed as the design and test teams of this Codex see fit. I ask anyone reposting this information elsewhere simply carry this disclaimer with it. Thank you.


Releases;

Launch Wave(Wave 1);
Codex
Primaris Psyker(2 Metal Models)
Ratling Snipers(4 Metal Models
Sentinel(Recut to contain a huge amount of options for various outfittings)
Cadian Command Squad(Officer and 4 Guardsmen. A huge box of goodies. This will contain 2 different Officer looks as well as 4 Cadians with various head, pouches and weapons. The beautiful thing here is all Special Weapons in plastic a several CC Officer weapons as well)
Valkyrie
Cadian Shock Troops
Catachan Jungle Fighters

**Please note that originally a Catachan Command Squad and "new" recut of the models was meant to to be released here. This however has disappeared from my list**

Wave 1.5
This wave is technically a multi wave of various armies being planned with Planet Strike. As such this may be before or after the 2nd wave release. This one is the most unlikely of them all and has thus far only been alluded to me by some people.
Modern Rough Riders(I cannot confirm bikes instead of horses but I have been told.....less Fantasy more gritty sci-fi)
Storm Troopers/Arbite Riot Team(I do not know if these are the same release or separate however they are plastic and will be less Kasrkin, more Imperium)
Naval Fleet Officer Adjutant(1 Model)
Artillery Overseer(1 Model)

Wave 2
Leman Russ Recut(Will include 4 variants)
Chimera Recut(Will include the Chimera, Hellhound, Salamander and various outfitting options)
Commissar Lord and Commissars(The new lord is plastic and will be released at the same time as 2 new metal models, giving us 5 metal Commissars and a plastic lord)

Wave 3/Unknown
These are things that are being released eventually I am told but have no exact info when. The only thing I am pretty sure on is that they will not be released at the time of the First wave.
Artillery Tank(Basilisk and 2/3 other variants. My bet is for sure Griffin and Medusa and have heard the word Manticore thrown around)
Veteran Models(Metal not sure if they are meant to be officers or Veteran soliders)

Army Wide Rules;

Platoon Fire Drill
This rule will allow any platoon that is equipped with a Vox network in ALL squads to shoot through each other without granting the enemy cover saves. This will not effect each platoon as a whole as only members of the same platoon can fire through one another.
- However there is talk of how people will keep track of who is who when the game starts without conversions. As such this may be scrapped or changed to effect every unit that has a vox provided a Master Vox is taken in each Command Squad.

Lumbering Behemoth
This rule is meant to show the Leman Russ as the workhorse of the Imperium. As such any Leman Russ(I have been told just Leman Russ this could mean all or just the MBT though)to fire all Offensive weapons as defensive weapons when they have moved a max of 6 inches. Note however firing the Ordnance of any such vehicle will still not allow it to fire other weapons.
- This is/was a variant that allowed you to fire the Battle Cannon and any one weapon with it, this however has not been heard by my ears for sometime now.

Advisers
Attached the Command Squad of the officer in charge are various Advisers/Aides from different factions able to assist the guard in their fight.
- Although about 12 have been tossed around these 4 I have heard several times;
Priest 45 Points - Allows the entire army, once per game to fleet and gain +1 attack and reroll all failed to hits. May only happen in the IG players turn. Must be declared in the shooting phase.
Naval Attachment 25 Points - This close support officer is observing the battle and is able to call in pin point strikes from the might ships of the Imperium in orbit. Once per game an Orbital Bombardment may be used in the IG players shooting phase. This strike will only scatter if a HIT is not rolled, and will only scatter D6 inches.
Artillery Observer 40 Points - Can call in long range artillery well outside the active warzone. This can be used to call up to 3 Earthshaker rounds per game, they may come in any shooting phase the IG player wishes and can all be used at once or separately. They will always scatter 2D6 inches.
Commissar Lord 40 Points - This man can install the fear and faith into any loyal servant. This unit will allow up to 10 Commissars to be attached to the Regiment rather than the usual 5 and will be able to once per game rally any and all fleeing IG units on the table automatically.

The Units
HQ

The HQ is home to Special Characters of the IG as well as the required Field Command Platoon. Honestly the Special Characters have been flying around and there are about 18 choices with only 6 or so making it into the book. Personally I think we will see; Yarrik, Cain, Gaunt, Creed, and two or 3 of the new ones.

Field Command Platoon.
Consists of 1 Commanding Officer or Junior Commanding Officer(Roughly a SO or HSO)with 4 guardsmen. The unit can then add up to 1 of each Adviser. Can be taken as "Grenadiers" instead of regular Guard.(Also talk of this allowing up to 3 Storm Trooper squads to be taken as troops) May take a Chimera or Salamander Command Vehicle.
0-2 Veteran Squads(Replaced with Storm Troopers if the Grenadier option is taken)
0-2 Special Weapon Squads
0-2 Heavy Weapon Squads
Max of 5 Squads can be taken.

Primaris Psyker. Basically the Guard version of a Space Marine Librarian. Has Guardsmen stats, but has several powers it can choose from and can purchase a hood. This has been moved between its own choice and an adviser option several times. **When I mentioned that they were not so nice I meant the model, the rules will be fun i think sorry for any confusion)**

Cadet? Commissars 0-5. These may be placed in any unit within an IG platoon. One per unit max. Do not use up an HQ choice. Also on the subject that 3 Heavy Bolter Commissar squad I have read about while very fluffy seems to be absent from anything I have seen. I am not sure if this was wishlisting that got absorbed or if I missed it.

Elite

Veteran Squads(No infiltrate)

Storm Trooper Squads

Sniper Team - 6 Models, all armed with Sniper Rifles, Camo Cloaks, Stealth[This would give them Stealth twice as the Camo Cloak gives them it too.....unless they are meant to get +2 to all cover saves], Range Finders and Infiltrate.
*Also this squad has been considered to be moved as a 0-1 platoon option rather than an elite choice*

Ogryns, I was mistaken here. The talk is T5 or FNP not both. Well at one time it was both but it was considered to "hard" for them. Nothing much changes except that someone wants 3A 3W for the same points.

Ratlings - 10 Models, all with Sniper Rifles and BS 3[So I have read could change but might make our Sniper teams more elite]and Stealth.
Their old rule for being small has simply been replaced for stealth. At 10 points each they are a steal.

Spearhead Sentinels - That is right Armour in out elite section! Actually not much basically just a sentinel with 3 different weapons(Lascannon, Multi Melta, Plasma Cannon and 11 front Armour) This is the one I am most unsure about. The problem is whether to include them all as Sentinels or have two entries, and if so where do the entries go.

Troops

We have only one troop choice. It is the Infantry Platoon. **I know some talk of Penal Legion troops has been muttered somewhere. I cannot say for sure if these will make it. If they do they may very well be troops**

Platoon Command(May take Chimera)
2-5 Infantry Squads(4 points each, may take 2 special weapons OR 1 Special and 1 Heavy, May take Chimera)
0-2 Heavy Weapon Squads(May not take Chimera)
0-2 Special Weapon Squads(May take Chimera)
*0-1 Sniper Team(May not take Chimera)
5 Squads + Platoon Command Max
Attachment; if all units have a Chimera then a Hellhound may be taken as part of the Platoon and not as a FA slot. If all units do not have a Chimera the squad may have a Scout Sentinel or Salamander Scout Vehicle Attached instead.

-Chimeras have a wide variety of weapons including the popular Auto Cannon and a new one. The rules are virtually identical to the ones located in the IA update-

Fast Attack

**Honestly the Vehicles that this new Spanish site has posted have never come to me. I will not say for sure they aren't real as BoLS has had confirmations on one of them**

Hellhound

Salamander Scout Vehicle

Scout Sentinel (See Spearhead) - This variant would be AV 10 all around, have scout and be equipped with a Heavy Bolter, Heavy Flamer, Autocannon, Multi Laser or twin CC Weapons.

Vendetta/Vulture Gunship - 24 inch fast skimmer, may shoot all weapon no matter how fast it moves. Various loadouts

Valkyrie - 24 inch fast skimmer. May carry Storm Troopers or Veteran Squads and deploy them even after moving 24 inches.

Rough Riders

Heavy Support

**Honestly the Vehicles that this new Spanish site has posted have never come to me. I will not say for sure they aren't real as BoLS has had confirmations on one of them**

Leman Russ Squadron - The Squadron has AV 14 at the front. Although people claim a 13 so this could change but I have heard no such change. This unit may ONLY be MBTs with no variants. The Squadron does NOT act like a Squadron and the vehicles may be placed separate. The choice is a 0-1.
*This unit is one of the most unsure things around. Honestly GW wants it in there. The Leman Russ is EVERYWHERE the guard are, however playtesters are finding this 600ish point unit is "cheesy" If my opinion counts it will make it into the codex for fluff sake*

Leman Russ
Leman Russ Vanquisher
Leman Russ Demolisher
Leman Russ Exterminator
*These are the only 4 I know for sure are being a "shoe in" for the codex. There are other variants being worked on/debated*

Basilisk
Griffin
Medusa
*Medusa is a possibility*

Well I think that covers the main bulk of what I know for sure. As I said things change and I will try to update what I hear and see and answer any questions as best I can.

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So 5 Russ's possible for the IG? Not a good time to be an MEQ.

   
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Oh great, that arsewipe Cain might be in the codex.



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My thoughts on these new rumors:

- Bummed about the Catachan re-cuts and command squad being cut from the list. I was really looking forward to that.
- Hm - non-fantasy, grim-gritty Rough Riders. Coolio.
- I'm very stoked to hear the new Storm Trooper box alternately referred to as an Arbites Riot Team.
- Priests - continue to be mostly useless. If Ogryns are going to be excellent, then Priests may have a use when it comes to coordinating an attack with them, otherwise - meh.
- HQ - Cain! SWEET! The most cowardly Commissar in the 40k universe may get some rules - roxxor!
- Primaris Psyker - sounds very interesting.
- The Attachment rules for vehicles in platoons sounds very interesting. I'm digging on that.
- Vendetta/Vulture - Brutal!
- Heavy Support - I'm a little disappointed to hear that only LRBTs may be in squadrons. Depending on the size of the squadron (I'm assuming 1-3), that means I'll be able to take 2 more tanks than in the current codex. Bleh. With the vehicle attachment rules, though, it looks like I can take up to 9 Hellhounds, though! (Although to do it, I'd need to take 18 Chimeras!)

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And a few more tidbits from Mkoll in response to initial questions about this post:

Just one question about the Infantry Platoons. You say "Max of five squads" Does that include the Heavy Weapon Squads? As in, if I want two HW Squads, can I then only take a max of three Infantry Squads?

Yes. You will only be able to field a maximum of 5 squads out of any combination, 2 of them must be Infantry.

mkoll after the release of the codex, how long will take until the release of the 2nd wave?

On average 4 months seems to be norm, but then again it looks more like 6 these days. I would put my money on early December for them but as I said no set date for sure.

and the possible recut of the catachans was went down the pipe?

Well I never saw the recut normal men, just the Command Squad, the recut was just told to me. As to where they went I am not sure. Perhaps delayed for second wave to ensure they get the recut done. I am not sure.

sounds like GW screaming "BUY OUR NEW MODEL!!" armata_PDT_01.gif There's gonna be a lot of airborne armies armata_PDT_01.gif
Can they be taken as a dedicated transport or will they always take up a FA slot? Any word on Hellhounds being squadronized?

Yes I personally beleive this rule will be stamped out for balance issues but GW does like to make the new models better for people to get ahold of more of them.

As to the Hellhounds sadly not that I have heard anymore. The idea was that Hellhounds were going to increase in number, I think they feel this will be done via Troop attachments to Chimera Platoons. However as I have said nothing is for sure and Hellhound platoons was an idea thrown around before.

So no more 6 lascannons & 6 autocannons for me...

Not in one platoon.....however throughout the army you can have way more than that. No need for Heavy Weapon Platoons, each Troop Choice(and you have to have 2 everygame)can net you more.

Mkoll: Noticed that Medusa was mentioned twice in the Heavy section. I assume that the one in the **** should be the Manticore?

No, the Medusa was meant to be in the * *. As i have said the Artillery boxset is quite far down the line and there has been no confirmation to me as to what it would entail for certain.

I see Ratlings are 10, are they no longer a flex squad of 3-10?

Well the Veterans seem to simply represent better equipped and more experienced Guardsmen NOT elite troops. As such that was removed in the entry for them I saw. It might return though. Ratlings are 5-10.

What of the rumors of being able to take drop troops, light infantry etc as squad options for platoons? I see the Chimera only.

That is where the Special Characters come in. I know one of the rules for Gaunt was any Platoon may take Light Infantry and not Chimeras. There were ideas for a Harkoni Character for Airborne, but some want drop guard to stop and only have the Storm Troops to do that. However there was/is talk of Valks for everyone as dedicated transport which is in some ways more fluffy.

Will the primaris pysker have the same powers as SM librarians?

No. I have seen various bits on them and some are shooty and mean like the Libbies but the most are more supportive.

I'm assuming from your comments about Heavy Support that while LRBTs may be squadron-able, that none of the other Heavy Support will be - consequently, treadheads will be limited to a total of 5 Leman Russ chassis tanks. (Although, it looks like with the vehicle Attachment rules that you can take up to 9 Hellhounds total! Though you'd need to take 18 Chimeras to do it!)

Correct. This will give you the ability to take 1 of all the ones I listed. I said there would be no armoured company anymore, just the ability for a lot of armour. And for those worried about their Mech armies they are there and stronger(and cheaper)then ever.

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Oh oh! This has got me brainstorming ideas for Caiphas Cain's rules again!

Make him fearless (HAH) but give him Ld 7. Every turn he has to roll a leadership test. If passed, he's somehow figured out how he can better be used further behind the lines, and is moved to a squad further away from the enemy

Whenever a unit Cain is a member of charges, Cain is immediately removed from the unit, and becomes an independant character.

Oh this'll be alot of fun!

Oh and thanks for the info. Maybe I'm dense, but it seems that all the rumors can't get a straight answer on whether the Cadian Troops box set is a recut, or just a rebox. I'm hoping for a recut of awesomeness on par with the Ork Boyz box.

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BrookM wrote:Oh great, that arsewipe Cain might be in the codex.


Die heathen! Cain rules!
   
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BrookM wrote:Oh great, that arsewipe Cain might be in the codex.


Die heathen! Cain ruled!
Fixed.

Novel characters make for bad gaming characters. Just look at Schaeffer and Kage, or Gaunt. If Cain is added to the list we'll have three commissar themed special characters.



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BrookM wrote:Novel characters make for bad gaming characters. Just look at Schaeffer and Kage, or Gaunt. If Cain is added to the list we'll have three commissar themed special characters.

Sad, but mostly true. Gaunt's lousy. And while the rules for Schaeffer and Kage themselves are pretty uninspiring, the Last Chancers rules did make for the most abusable armies possible using the IG army list.

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Death By Monkeys wrote:And while the rules for Schaeffer and Kage themselves are pretty uninspiring, the Last Chancers rules did make for the most abusable armies possible using the IG army list.


I think they need to drop Kage again and return to the Dirty Dozen Last Chancers from 3rd ed. So much more fun, especially if they could do the "12 people vs whole army" thing again.

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If I want the Last Chancers I'd love to see the return of the original twelve misfits. Those were a lot of fun. They also somehow managed to make Kage not a whole lot like in the novels, while Schaeffer is a bit more like what was revealed in the last book.

The thing with novel characters is well, the obvious "restrictions": Gaunt serves with the Tanith and Cain serves with the Valhallans. Oh look, I got Gaunt leading a unit of Ogryn in a Catachan army. Besides, if Cain is in the new codex, then so would Jurgen and wouldn't he be needing some sort of special rule that says: "FU psyker, I stink and block psychic powers plus I has a melta"

I do find Cain an odd choice, he's nowhere near as prostituted as Gaunt, plus the guy is a joke character! (poorly copied from the source at that)

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I'm not sure how to feel about making more Special Characters, I love the idea of the command box though.

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Finally a set of rumors that looks reasonable. That stupid BoLS nonsense was just too much. I don't care where they got their "confirmation", this looks much better to me.

I mean, just look at the old hellhound variant names. It's like a 9 year old came up with them:

Bane, Hell, Devil - Wolf, Hound, Dog... totally lame

Went digging through my old posts, and guess what? I've been hating on mat ward since before it was cool

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Special characters are good fun, but make them more diverse and don't take them from novels.



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Can't wait to break out the Salamanders.

Also very interesting to see Leman Russes get the Zoanthrope option (buy 3 for 1 FOC, deploy seperately). With the Artillery adjunct, you can have 3 MBTs, 2 more Leman Russes of any variant, and still get some Earth Shaker artillery shots. NICE.

I'm loving the idea of platoon squads having the option for 2 special weapons. Makes much more sense for mechanized infantry. I also love the fact that if Valkyries and Vendettas/Vultures take up a Fast Attack FOC, you can still fit sentinels and Salamanders into your army.

These rumors sound very tight and are pretty believable. It makes the Spanish site's rumors sound like a bunch of ideas from previous revision cycles... which is to say some or all still might make it in.

Getting even more excited... better start painting some more models in anticipation.

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I have to admit, it's more difficult for the IG. Because the character is tethered to a.) a command squad, and b.) being human and therefore S3 T3.

The novels aren't terrible, but there's just no one as bad-ass awesome as Marneus Calgar, Abaddon, or a Phoenix Lord in the IG army. Those guys are so cool they can take out a unit on their own. IG heroes need 4 losers to hang out wiht in order to feel adequate. It makes for poor story telling on the board.

Ironically, a character like Solar Macharius fits right in with the IG fluff! Same with Chenkov and Al-Raheem. The 2nd edition book just had the knack better,
   
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Sadly special characters will be in any new codex coming out because it gives GW a way to allow people to customize the army by being forced to take said special character. As fantastic as the Guard army, what w/ the ability to take different doctrines, those days are surely numbered.

A lot of things to be really excited by here. 2 special weapons for my chimera squads?!?!? Yes please.

As for Cain being in?.....as long as Jurgen does have some anti-pskyer bubble I'll be tickled And here is hoping if Kane is still w/ the Last Chancers he will be billy bada$$ again, like in the books

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dumbuket wrote:Finally a set of rumors that looks reasonable. That stupid BoLS nonsense was just too much. I don't care where they got their "confirmation", this looks much better to me.

I mean, just look at the old hellhound variant names. It's like a 9 year old came up with them:

Bane, Hell, Devil - Wolf, Hound, Dog... totally lame


Yes, there's no way GW would come up with such a stupid naming scheme

Personally I find some of these rumours way over the top, like the move24"-fire-everything skimmer.

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dead and gone after taking Von Strab for a dive into a chasm


I'd much rather see Macharius return, though we've already got old man Yarrick, who is one of those iconic figures of the Imperial Guard. And we've got Jarran Kell, he's a damn good fighter plus the only guardsman to have BS5 and not be issued a pistol



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dumbuket wrote:Finally a set of rumors that looks reasonable. That stupid BoLS nonsense was just too much. I don't care where they got their "confirmation", this looks much better to me.

I mean, just look at the old hellhound variant names. It's like a 9 year old came up with them:

Bane, Hell, Devil - Wolf, Hound, Dog... totally lame


Yes, there's no way GW would come up with such a stupid naming scheme

Personally I find some of these rumours way over the top, like the move24"-fire-everything skimmer.
Well, the Valkyrie isn't supposed to be a skimmer in the first place, so that could be a 40k ruling to sell the model while for apocalypse and planet strike games the model might use true flyer rules.



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I may have read this wrong somewhere, but are the Cadian plastics being re-done? They can't get much worse.

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I hopefully hope that the Cadian box is just the same. I hope no recuts... I just bought 2. I'm excited about the Artillery Overseer (<3 Artillery, it makes me like a giddy Japanese Schoolgirl with large breasts), Arbites Riot Team ("DIE REBEL SCUM." and the Command Squad.

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BrookM wrote:"FU psyker, I stink and block psychic powers plus I has a melta"

CAN I HAZ MELTA?

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smiling Assassin wrote:I hopefully hope that the Cadian box is just the same. I hope no recuts... I just bought 2. I'm excited about the Artillery Overseer (<3 Artillery, it makes me like a giddy Japanese Schoolgirl with large breasts), Arbites Riot Team ("DIE REBEL SCUM." and the Command Squad.

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Judging by your picture I'd assume that you'd walk away from any Overseer

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Ozymandias wrote:Still no rumors on a KP fix. :(

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Again, I don't think GW actually sees the IG KP issue as an issue or problem, they most likely see it as a "balance" for the Guard having so many units. Silly GW.

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Or GW could already be planning to remove KP's for the 6th edition, meaning that Guard players will have to sit tight until then.



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So are the Cadians and Leman russ' getting new models or just rereleases?

I'm thinking IG in the future, and want to know if I should just wait till may for the sake of a coherent army look.

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