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 Asherian Command wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
I am glad we all agree, the entire ceresi series of scenes was incredible it was the equivalent of shakespeare even better than the red wedding the music the tone, fit perfectly. The music was both gothic, somber and showed the evil of Cersei, I hope Sansa or Dany kills Cersei

Well, every other part of the prophecy has come true, so...

Jamie will kill her?

I'm honestly not sure anymore.

On one hand everything turned out differently than what she thought would happen and at least two of her children died because of her actions (although I would argue that all three did), so I wouldn't be surprised if the other brother ends up killing her.

But then I also wouldn't be surprised if Tyrion ends up killing her as the Hand of the Queen.

If you notice in the background of dany's ships you can spot hundreds of the red sun from house martell.


Also video :

Wow that was an amazing episode, it is setting up quite nicely where you might get another dance of dragons with jon and danny

 Ustrello wrote:
Wow that was an amazing episode, it is setting up quite nicely where you might get another dance of dragons with jon and danny

I am betting Jon won't care about the south. And will get ready for the war of the dawn.

Damn, that was an absolutely gob-smackingly good episode, now that's how you do a season finale!

One potential aspect I haven't seen mentioned here is the possibility that the White Walkers make it through because Bran goes through the wall. Since he was branded by the Night King it's possible that mark is still on him and can nullify (at least a part if not all) of the wall similar to when he was with the Children of the Forest. If this is true then Bran Flakes is mucking things up as usual.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
Wow that was an amazing episode, it is setting up quite nicely where you might get another dance of dragons with jon and danny

I am betting Jon won't care about the south. And will get ready for the war of the dawn.

But will danny feel the same way about the north wanting to get away and fight to keep it


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also can we talk about how damn cool that library was?

I'm not sure of Salsa was happy or sad that Jon is KOTN now or not.

Also, pleased Septa Unella got hers. Although I'm not sure what specifically she got. She didn't seem to like it, anyway.

 Ouze wrote:
I'm not sure of Salsa was happy or sad that Jon is KOTN now or not.

Also, pleased Septa Unella got hers. Although I'm not sure what specifically she got. She didn't seem to like it, anyway.

She was happy, but sadden that Jon was such an idiot. He kept looking at her, and knew very well that jon could screw up and she needs to be there for him.


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 Ustrello wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
Wow that was an amazing episode, it is setting up quite nicely where you might get another dance of dragons with jon and danny

I am betting Jon won't care about the south. And will get ready for the war of the dawn.

But will danny feel the same way about the north wanting to get away and fight to keep it


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also can we talk about how damn cool that library was?

Yeah the liby was pretty awesome. Probably the coolest looking structure so far.

Personally I want to see jamie's head on a spike along with his sis.

I enjoyed the episode a lot. Setting up for a wild season 7.

PS: Lady Mormont won the whole episode.

However it is Varys is getting around, he needs to share that tech.

Salsa Stark?


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My only disappointment with this episode is that it didn't end with the White Walkers attacking, which really ought to be the climax of an episode called "the winds of Winter". As cool as it was to see Danny finally setting sail for Westeros, its getting tiresome having a big Danny moment at the end of so many episodes. They should ended the Season with a much bleaker scene, the White Walkers arriving at the Wall or something.

To be fair, besides the logic of teleporting characters (which is par for the course now I suppose), thats my only criticism - the ending/final scene was too optimistic.

 Dreadwinter wrote:
I enjoyed the episode a lot. Setting up for a wild season 7.

PS: Lady Mormont won the whole episode.

When Lyanna Mormont tells you who the King in the North is, you kneel to the goddamn King in the North.

I wonder what the wildlings were doing in that scene. Surely they wouldn't be kneeling to the king of the north. Not having kings is sort of their shtick. Unless that king is Mance.

 Robin5t wrote:

 Dreadwinter wrote:
I enjoyed the episode a lot. Setting up for a wild season 7.

PS: Lady Mormont won the whole episode.

When Lyanna Mormont tells you who the King in the North is, you kneel to the goddamn King in the North.

Amen brother - amen!

Upon further review, yes, I believe "Salsa" was OK with Jon as King, but realizing now that it is seriously 'game on' with Littlefinger, and she's going to have to move against him...or else!

She probably also realizes that she's somewhat outclassed by him too - at least, at this point she is...

CERSEI YOU ARE SO STUPID!

You have no Allies, no money, no food to feed the city. Congratulations you sit on the Iron Throne....now what?

Although I am kind of glad I was wrong with what is happening up north. Screwing over Littlefinger like that isn't going to end well for anybody.

...well, probably not too well for Littlefinger himself in the end either.

 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
CERSEI YOU ARE SO STUPID!

You have no Allies, no money, no food to feed the city. Congratulations you sit on the Iron Throne....now what?

Although I am kind of glad I was wrong with what is happening up north. Screwing over Littlefinger like that isn't going to end well for anybody.

My theory for the next season...

This is a Mad King Aerys situation all over again. I expect Qyburn isn't truly loyal to Cersei, he's manipulative her into making bad decision and putting her into a bad position. When the Targaryen and House Martell armies come knocking, he'll betray her and let them into the City, much like Pycelle betrayed Aerys by convincing him to trust Tywin Lannister. He's probably in the service of some other house, the Martells perhaps.

Qyburn is too smart, surely he knows that Cersei is bonkers and in a very weak position.

 Grimskul wrote:
Damn, that was an absolutely gob-smackingly good episode, now that's how you do a season finale!

One potential aspect I haven't seen mentioned here is the possibility that the White Walkers make it through because Bran goes through the wall. Since he was branded by the Night King it's possible that mark is still on him and can nullify (at least a part if not all) of the wall similar to when he was with the Children of the Forest. If this is true then Bran Flakes is mucking things up as usual.

Seeing Lady Olenna put the Sand Snakes in their place was awesome.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
Damn, that was an absolutely gob-smackingly good episode, now that's how you do a season finale!

One potential aspect I haven't seen mentioned here is the possibility that the White Walkers make it through because Bran goes through the wall. Since he was branded by the Night King it's possible that mark is still on him and can nullify (at least a part if not all) of the wall similar to when he was with the Children of the Forest. If this is true then Bran Flakes is mucking things up as usual.

Spoiler:

The Night King has the Horn of Winter... all he has to do is walk up to The Wall and sound it off and Boom! No more annoying magical barrier to his army.

Sadly it seems, we're going to have to wait 10 freaking months for that scene!

So...what the hell are they waiting for?

Wouldn't they have already done this if they actually could...do this?

It is more likely that Bran is going to f' it all up again, somehow...

Funny stuff here:

https://filmschoolrejects.com/game-of-thrones-season-6-finale-explained-e333b8a15f43#.wjv1mlg3w

Especially this bit:

Just watched for a second time and its occurred to me: holy gak is Danny's army strong now.

House Targaryen and the armies of the Unsullied and Dothraki.
House Greyjoy and half of the Iron born fleets.
House Martell and the army of Dorne.
What little is left of House Tyrrell and the army of the Reach.

The Lannisters are fethed and now stand alone.
The Frey's are being systematically exterminated by a Lone Wolf assassin. (Get it? )
House Baratheon is extinct.

The only united Houses remaining that can even hope to put up a resistance are the Starks with the newly reunited Northern kingdom, and their allies in House Arryn and the Vale, though Littlefinger is likely going to feth the Starks over sooner or later.

I really hope it doesn't come down to that, I hope Jon and Danny learn the truth about his parentage.

Speaking of which, that scene was infuriatingly vague. I mean, its obviously confirmed that Jon's mother was Lyanna Stark, but Lyanna was whispering when she told Ned who the father was. Are they really going g to drag this out even further?

Is R+L=J officially confirmed yet on the show or is it still just "?+L=J". ?

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
To be fair, besides the logic of teleporting characters (which is par for the course now I suppose), thats my only criticism - the ending/final scene was too optimistic.

The teleportation has gotten insane. I give them a partial reprieve knowing that they were trying to rush everything into position so that they can wrap this thing up in only 12 or 13 more episodes. *shrug*

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I wonder what the wildlings were doing in that scene. Surely they wouldn't be kneeling to the king of the north. Not having kings is sort of their shtick. Unless that king is Mance.

Spoiler:

You know what annoyed me this episode? Dorne joining the Dragon Queen...which is what Doran was planning to do in the books, thus making that stupid assassination scene completely pointless, as the end result is the same. If the end result is the same, why change it?

Because the writers were obsessed with "wimmens in charge" in season 6. *shrug*


Regarding this episode, my initial reaction was "WHERE THE @#$% WAS THAT ALL SEASON?" But I want to give it another viewing just to be sure I'm not responding too much to "stuff happened," in a season in which "stuff happening" seemed to take precedence over narrative coherence and character consistency.

I don't think I'm wrong about it, though. I remember being struck by the quietness and elegance of the direction. They had some big moments in there -- the confirmation of R+L=J being the biggest -- and I felt like they did them justice. There wasn't anything revolutionary about the baby's eyes to Jon's eyes shot, but it was handled in such a nicely emotional and deferential(?) way. It felt really strong compared to some of the direction and moments this season that were cruder by GoT standards.

Anyway, good to see the season ending on such a strong note.

So who's the third head of the dragon? And how will Melisandre get back into the picture? It's interesting how after having backed the wrong horse for so long and having her spirit broken, she ended up being the only priestess backing the right horse.

I did wonder if it would make more sense for Cersei to blow up all of King's Landing and declare Casterly Rock the new capital - I guess if she was in the look on Dany it would have looked a much better move.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Speaking of which, that scene was infuriatingly vague. I mean, its obviously confirmed that Jon's mother was Lyanna Stark, but Lyanna was whispering when she told Ned who the father was. Are they really going g to drag this out even further?

Is R+L=J officially confirmed yet on the show or is it still just "?+L=J". ?

Technically yes...the underwear gnomes have it as ? + L= J. I figured they're saving "R" for later just because, and at that time they'll explain a little more about Rhaegar...which is important, even in the pared-down version of the story we're getting for TV.

And to your other points, I think Daenerys's invasion is already a walkover victory. Sure, Cersei could could try to burn the rest of King's Landing when Daenerys invades, but fortunately there's a guy in place with experience in that exact situation. And an intact army is a good thing, considering how quickly they'll need to make it pivot north. If only there was a leader in the north capable of convincing Daenerys (should I have put quotes around "convincing"?).

Yeah Dani has, 8000 Unsullied, 40,000 Dothraki as well as the untouched forces of Dorne and and the (Mostly) untouched forces of the Reach (I don't know how many soldiers that were lost at the Battle of the Blackwater).

Now going back to Season 1 Jamie was given 30,000 men to raid the Riverland which was half the Lannister forces. Since then they had lost battles against Robb when he was still kicking around but they would still have a sizable force. I'd say at least 40,000+ but no other support from what I can see.

The Crown is also Bankrupt....yeah Cersei you are stupid....Oh and thanks from proving my point too. You didn't love your children, you loved the power they gave you.

 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
Yeah Dani has, 8000 Unsullied, 40,000 Dothraki as well as the untouched forces of Dorne and and the (Mostly) untouched forces of the Reach (I don't know how many soldiers that were lost at the Battle of the Blackwater).

.

And dragons. She pretty much has air superiority by default. Unless the Lannisters work out how to make ballistas good at fighting aerial targets.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
Yeah Dani has, 8000 Unsullied, 40,000 Dothraki as well as the untouched forces of Dorne and and the (Mostly) untouched forces of the Reach (I don't know how many soldiers that were lost at the Battle of the Blackwater).

.

And dragons. She pretty much has air superiority by default. Unless the Lannisters work out how to make ballistas good at fighting aerial targets.

There are confirmed dragon kills made by scorpion machines, but that was only one, iirc.

 Alpharius wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
Damn, that was an absolutely gob-smackingly good episode, now that's how you do a season finale!

One potential aspect I haven't seen mentioned here is the possibility that the White Walkers make it through because Bran goes through the wall. Since he was branded by the Night King it's possible that mark is still on him and can nullify (at least a part if not all) of the wall similar to when he was with the Children of the Forest. If this is true then Bran Flakes is mucking things up as usual.

Spoiler:

The Night King has the Horn of Winter... all he has to do is walk up to The Wall and sound it off and Boom! No more annoying magical barrier to his army.

Sadly it seems, we're going to have to wait 10 freaking months for that scene!

So...what the hell are they waiting for?

Wouldn't they have already done this if they actually could...do this?

It is more likely that Bran is going to f' it all up again, somehow...

Remember waaaaaaay back in season 2, when Gren, Ed & Sam were digging the latrine pits atop the Fist of the First Men, and found that buried Night's Watch cloak full of dragon glass?
Remember the horn atop that pile of obsidian?!

We don't know exactly when/where the Night's King got his hands on the Horn of Winter, but even the books, The Others haven't had it for that long... plus, he's still a decent distance from The Wall itself. (and the finale ran out of run time to tag that scene onto the very end!)

Odds are that the army of the dead & their leaders moving through The Wall is going to be the final scene for season 7's premiere.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Just watched for a second time and its occurred to me: holy gak is Danny's army strong now.

House Targaryen and the armies of the Unsullied and Dothraki.
House Greyjoy and half of the Iron born fleets.
House Martell and the army of Dorne.
What little is left of House Tyrrell and the army of the Reach.

The Lannisters are fethed and now stand alone.
The Frey's are being systematically exterminated by a Lone Wolf assassin. (Get it? )
House Baratheon is extinct.

The only united Houses remaining that can even hope to put up a resistance are the Starks with the newly reunited Northern kingdom, and their allies in House Arryn and the Vale, though Littlefinger is likely going to feth the Starks over sooner or later.

I really hope it doesn't come down to that, I hope Jon and Danny learn the truth about his parentage.

- House Tyrrell's army is mostly intact. They had only a few hundred, maybe a thousand or so at most within KL, and I highly doubt that ALL of them got nuked there when the Sept went kablamo!
- Euron could easily bring the larger portion of the Greyjoy fleet over to Cersei's side.
- There's still got to be at least 2-3+ thousand Frey troops, plus gods know how many Frey children left to (very badly!) lead them. (bastards included!)
- House Lannister still has at least 8,000 professional troops, and being the wealthiest of the kingdoms, can likely raise at least a couple thousand more troops.
- Cersei still has the Gold Cloaks, who have to number at least 1,000+, since they've had a couple years to replace the loses from the battle of Blackwater Bay.

Sure numerically Cersei is still completely eff'ed against Dany's army, but she's still a very dangerous threat and (despite the 3 large & angry dragons), is still quite capable of inflicting significant loses on Dany's army.
Especially considering that really, her Dothraki will be semi-useless fighting in a siege/urban city battle, as their main power comes from their horses.

Also, just to point out, House Baratheon is NOT! entirely extinct yet, as Gendry is still alive and well.
Arya knows the secret of his parentage, as does Davos & Mel. If one or more of them reveal who he is to Daenerys, she could very easily proclaim him a true Baratheon and thus, he would be able to re-build the family.


I also really don't get where people are coming up with these dumb theories about how it's going to be Dany vs. Jon for the Iron Throne...

It's pretty obvious and completely plausible that *IF* they can survive the return of The Long Night and the army of the dead, that Dany would simply end up making a similar bargain like the one Renly & Rob would have made.
(ie: Jon can keep the title King of the North, but would still be expected to keep the Queen's Peace, respect the integrity of the Kingdoms, etc...)

Oh jeez Dragons...I forgot about the Dragons.

Seems I have been playing to much Total War...

Great episode, I liked how Ayia finally did some worthwhile killing.. but Jamie didn't seem too pleased with his sis... I have a feeling she's gonna go nuts and he's going to become the queenslayer sooner or later.

I also loved Varys' teleporter.

won't the dragons get tired flying all the way to king's landing?