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 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Buzzsaw, beyond proclaiming you are right, have you tried contacting them and try to make them fix this?

Of course. Had several long and interesting exchanges with them and made a standing offer to collaborate in whatever way they saw fit. I am certainly interested in helping them do well, not to play the untrammeled altruist, since after all, I hope to buy delightful things from them.

To be fair, while my grandstanding is mostly intended to be humorous, it's also an attempt to point out that I have observed patterns that would seem to fit and explain otherwise puzzling phenomenon going on in campaigns.

For example,

somewheresomehow wrote:
And... now I am confused. Great update, great looking 3D printed mini, pledges are dropping. This kickstarter is starting to make no sense. All rules are off! THE END IS NIGH!

This is a phenomenon that, far from being unexplained, fits completely with earlier observations made by myself during the TtB campaign.

That is: the One-Shot Blond is a fine example of what Raging Heroes is already known to do well.

One-Shot is a mono-pose heroic figure, of which they have very many.

People pledging TGG may be presumed to have some knowledge of RH, which means that the update, while providing some insight, doesn't provide anything new. The number of people that are actually interested in the minutia of how RH actually goes about doing their business is dramatically less then the number of people who couldn't care less how they get great models, they just want to see great models.

One-Shot (and thus Update #24) is, therefore, a stellar example of a campaign spending time telling people about what the company in question is already presumed to do well.

What would be noteworthy would be prints of things that are completely new to the campaign, such as the ball-and-socket troopers, which are (to the best of my knowledge) a radical departure from RH's existing core competence.

Oh. Now that you explicitly mentioned it, it is part of their norm. Shucks. *Goes to kick a can.*

So, One Shot is essentially more of the same in some people's eyes. But RH also produces very good troops (Vestals, Mantises), so how are they drastically different?

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
So, One Shot is essentially more of the same in some people's eyes. But RH also produces very good troops (Vestals, Mantises), so how are they drastically different?

 Buzzsaw wrote:
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What would be noteworthy would be prints of things that are completely new to the campaign, such as the ball-and-socket troopers, which are (to the best of my knowledge) a radical departure from RH's existing core competence.

Emphasis re-emphasized. The existing line of troops from RH are known for being a) very nice and b) mono-pose or very limited in posing.

Again, to the best of my knowledge, there are no ball-and-socket figures currently produced by RH. Certainly none that are "Utra-customizable multi-part troops, thanks to multi-part ball-joint system", as the front page of the campaign describes them.

I've never heard of ball and socket miniatures, to be honest. I would be very interested in seeing some more detail on what they look like unassembled, and how this ball and socket system works. (What the limitations are, etc.)

In addition, if we're wishlisting about things that might give the KS a bump, I would like to know EXACTLY what I get in the boxed sets. My biggest complaint about GW has always been that I don't know which bits are in which boxes. If Raging Heroes were to take steps to correct my ignorance, that would really be going above and beyond, in my opinion.

Weird double post.


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Basically, Buzzsaw, you're saying this:




I have a funny question, well not funny per se, but humour me:

If one does not have an EB slot, what is the advantage of pledging more than a single dollar and adjusting later via paypal? I assume the fees to the creators are much less, for one?


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Now does anyone know how I'd go about sending beer across the border?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
If one does not have an EB slot, what is the advantage of pledging more than a single dollar and adjusting later via paypal?

The only advantage I can see would be to the project creater as they (assumedly) don't have to fork over more money to CMON.

By CMON I assume you mean Amazon and KS?

Breotan wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
If one does not have an EB slot, what is the advantage of pledging more than a single dollar and adjusting later via paypal?

The only advantage I can see would be to the project creater as they (assumedly) don't have to fork over more money to CMON.

Mathieu Raymond wrote:By CMON I assume you mean Amazon and KS?

Yeah, I'm confused there: is C'MoN involved in this in some way? I certainly wasn't aware of it if so.

As to the original question, the only real danger as I see it is I'm not sure that there has been confirmation that there will be a post campaign pledge manager. That said, due to the nature of the campaign it seems almost impossible for there to not be a post campaign pledge manager that you can add to (a great danger of any ala cart campaign is that people will simply make math errors).

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

If one does not have an EB slot, what is the advantage of pledging more than a single dollar and adjusting later via paypal? I assume the fees to the creators are much less, for one?

Well, if everyone only pledged $1.. the project wouldn't fund.

But otherwise, yes the Fees are less with Paypal (~3% compared to 10%).

Re: Pledge $1 and adjust in the post-KS survey.

It depends on if RH will let you change your pledged level after the fact, or if it's just add-ons. If you can change from $1 to Lieutenant or Commander or Uberpanzerreichskommado, there's no penalty to doing that (aside from the whole Tragedy of the Commons type deal.) If you can't, ie if you can only buy add-ons post-KS, then you miss out on the exclusive KS mini, the freebies, and if you were going to get one of the $350+ level pledge levels you will get slightly less value for your money.

Basically the only direct advantage to pledging more than $1 occurs if you can't 'buy' a pledge level post-KS.

I thought you always had to pledge at least the level you selected (not under). So an early pledge level would have to match the value listed, or be higher, I thought.

I've never tried entering a number less than the pledge level selected... seems just... wrong, somehow!

Thanks guys. And Cyporiean.

One of my friends want to jump into my pledge. I just don't know how he'd insist on sharing the freebies. I feel he'd want Svetlana, but that one is the best of the lot, in my opinion.

I guess he'll have to be a big boy and use his own credit card.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Thanks guys. And Cyporiean.

One of my friends want to jump into my pledge. I just don't know how he'd insist on sharing the freebies. I feel he'd want Svetlana, but that one is the best of the lot, in my opinion.

I guess he'll have to be a big boy and use his own credit card.

Yeah, I've got a few friends who have kicked in some money just so they can get a few of the heroines without having to pay the unbelievable shipping and handling, but I'm not about to share my freebies.

Oh one other logistical nightmare for $1 pledgers who want to up later...

You can't send surveys to folks who haven't selected a pledge level.

Again guys, the shipping charge is actually very reasonable. It's simply that you're not used to paying it...

I'd almost say the opposite. They should probably charge a bit more for shipping in order for them not to lose money on it. But let no Herald hear that.

Um.... Re-read my post?

 Azazelx wrote:
Again guys, the shipping charge is actually very reasonable. It's simply that you're not used to paying it...

I wasn't trying to knock RH or accuse them of any silly-buggers. It's just that international shipping is always astronomical. Given the amount of merchandise I'm receiving, it's actually pretty reasonable.

 Azazelx wrote:
Um.... Re-read my post?

I wasn't really saying the opposite... more of me trying to strengthen your argument.

Second Language Card!
It's late!

Nevermind...

CMON is not involved in this in any way.

79 pages in and we're still complaining about shipping.

I care not from when the shipping comes! More Parcels for the Post God!

Blegh, I'm getting shifty on my own pledge, mostly due to the financial commitment I have to kick in, this next week will be telling on if I can or not.

 Buzzsaw wrote:
One-Shot (and thus Update #24) is, therefore, a stellar example of a campaign spending time telling people about what the company in question is already presumed to do well.

I think this pretty much describes the update. I certainly wasn't wowed by it, especially given the sparsity of the pictures. Even though it's more of the same, it would have been nice to see a few more pictures, from different angles and also with one of their existing figures for a scale comparison.

I guess we're waiting until Tuesday to potentially see something new from them. Hopefully, we'll get more than two pictures of the troopers in that update. Until then, we'll probably not gain much in the way of new backers.

Buzzsaw wrote:One-Shot (and thus Update #24) is, therefore, a stellar example of a campaign spending time telling people about what the company in question is already presumed to do well.

Can't be that stellar with comments like this (I remember a lot demands for actual prints in this thread, but I won't search for them now):

lone dirty dog wrote:I am even considering upping my pledge now, this is all I wanted to see, now I have I am pretty dam happy

BTW the print shows (as people familiar with RH already know) that prints are almost exactly as the renders, as they are taken from the same data set. And we have seen WIP renders of troops.

 Kroothawk wrote:
BTW the print shows (as people familiar with RH already know) that prints are almost exactly as the renders, as they are taken from the same data set. And we have seen WIP renders of troops.

Whilst they have, historically, gotten things pretty close to the renders there's always going to be some changes from the concept art. This is why more renders / 3D prints are being demanded, especially after the WIP heavy troopers where there were a number of differences from the concept art that people weren't happy with. The other main argument for seeing renders / prints is that it shows things are moving forwards and gives a, very early, indication of how likely the first wave is to make it's proposed shipping date.

If we were seeing a larger number of renders then there'd be less demand for 3D prints, imho, as anyone who's seen RH's previous work should be happy enough with a final render as there should be very few if any changes once it's gone for a first print. For those who aren't familiar with RH's work, people who were likely growing more skittish as we went for longer without more renders / 3Ds, the update yesterday was probably more reassuring as they can see directly how one of the figures compares to her concept art.

 Buzzsaw wrote:
Again, to the best of my knowledge, there are no ball-and-socket figures currently produced by RH. Certainly none that are "Utra-customizable multi-part troops, thanks to multi-part ball-joint system", as the front page of the campaign describes them.

The Königsmark sisters come with different arms and weapons (esp. in the limited box) that can be attached with a simplified ball-socket-thingy (a cylindrical hole and a matching part of a cone / half sphere). Some other miniatures come with additional heads. So, instead of two to five of these sockets we now get up to eight (?) connections for the more customizable troopers. In essence we can expect an update with nothing really new then? That's a shame

All the Heroines are now unveiled!
Update #25 · Jun 24, 2013 · comment

As we've now passed our Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter midpoint, we thought that it was time to unveil most of our designs.

We are starting today with the Heroines. So, while they are not yet all unlocked (that will come later), this means that you can now more easily plan your pledge.

Talking about planning your pledge, we want to thank Kenneth Gray, who has created a nifty web page that will help you compute how to spend your pledge, and to determine how you need to up it to get all the TGG you want.
Please note that this is not an official tool yet. But those who have used it have said it does the job quite nicely, and Kenny, bless his heart, is regularly updating it.

We will be unveiling most of the Troops and Supports during the week.

Like what you see? Then please, share it
→ Note: Kickstarter is not allowing me to upload this image full-size here (grrrrrrrrr!), but you can view it full-size on the front page

*Looks at Kiki Bulldozer*

Do. Not. Want.