A tactic with Dark Reapers

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**Nataku135**

I play eldar and one of my favorite tactics is to put a squad of five rapers with an exarch who has an eldar missile launcher inside of a falcon and since they all have 48 inch weapons they skirt outside the enemy's range and lay down support fire for the main force while shoting under the falcon.

**SlaveToDorkness**

While:

providing cover for their targets with the Falcon...?

wasting a turn not shooting in transport..?

**Nataku135**

I've always been under the impression that when you're firing under a skimmer the things your firing at didn't get cover saves?

**Old Man Ultramarine**

Very simple.

If you get cover from them. They get cover from you.

**DarkHound**

Well, no, only if you are 3" or more inside the cover. If you all sit on that 2" edge in area terrain you can fire out and they don't get cover.

EDIT: Ooh, kidna off topic. Uhh, if you sit the Falcon on an actual flying base you can fire under them, but no one gets cover. So yeah, what Old Man said.

**Blackarandras**

I like reapers also,but this tactic is a waste of pts.

Try setting them up somewhere that gives them a good vantage point of the field and add a guiding Farseer.

**methra3**

I agree with Blackarandras completely, set them up on a high point of terrain and shot away, farseer abilities always help. Don't put them in a Falcon and move around because then they can't fire their heavy weapons and are useless.

Just sit up high and rape with the reapers.

**GeneralRetreat**

Nataku135 wrote:...a squad of five rapers with an exarch...

LOL

Y'know, Exarchs spent many eons training to wear that armor....

Hope it was dry-cleaned.

**Exarch_Nektel**

GeneralRetreat wrote:
Nataku135 wrote:...a squad of five rapers with an exarch...

LOL

I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed.
Anyway, that's a terrible strategy, because it costs way too much for the fire it dishes out, and Reapers can't move and shoot.

**Steelmage99**

Old Man Ultramarine wrote:Very simple.

If you get cover from them. They get cover from you.

Also very wrong.

Example:

Marine do not get coversave.

Ork gets coversave

**biztheclown**

Steelmage,

Your diagram is right, in the very limited case of 1 ork, 1 marine, and 1 grot.

In the far more common case of there being units of these models, the shooting will be going between the gaps of the grots, thus providing the save either way.

Any perceived game mechanics issue that requires you to draw little triangles like that while playing needs to be re-evaluated. It can only end badly.

**hardrockfreak1337**

The rule for cover from skimmers is different from the rules for cover from friendly units. GW did it so you cannot receive a save if your opponent cannot, because in 4th edition there was a perfectly legal, but completely illogical, strategy that was similar to this strategy. It was pretty game breaking so GW got rid of the strategy in 5th edition.

**Exarch_Nektel**

If you are behind, for instance, sandbags, you get a cover save but what you are shooting at does not. Same if you are shooting out windows or over some sort of half-wall (balcony, etc.)

**Steelmage99**

biztheclown wrote:Steelmage,

Your diagram is right, in the very limited case of 1 ork, 1 marine, and 1 grot.

In the far more common case of there being units of these models, the shooting will be going between the gaps of the grots, thus providing the save either way.

Any perceived game mechanics issue that requires you to draw little triangles like that while playing needs to be re-evaluated. It can only end badly.

Erhm....no.

You are flat out wrong. The shots will not be going through the gaps between the Grots. They will be going over the unit and not incur a coversave on the part of the SM.
The illustration is kept simple on purpose. I could have placed models in my windowsill and taken a picture. This was just easier.

**biztheclown**

Let's see the picture then. I think you will find that it will be hard not to find a way that the orks fire does not spit the grots, thus grantiong the p22 cover--"If a model fires through...gaps between models in a intervening unit,the target is in cover, even if it is completely visible to the firer."

I see your point (putting all the grots in btb so that the orks are shooting "over" not "through" the intervening unit,) but I don't think this is a good way to play. Too fiddly and open to geometric interpretation. At what exact distance from the grot does the ork not see the whole marine? What if some grots are a little taller than others (like in the case of 2nd ed grots vs current ones). This turns it into a game of millimeters that is not fun to adjudicate. Why not just spread out and give the saves as is intended instead of trying to game the system? I consider this tactic to be the same kind of thing as the 2 unit checkerboard--too lame to use.

**Steelmage99**

There is no discussion here.

Orks shoots over Grots, no coversave for the Marines.

Orks shoot over Grots, no coversave for the Marines.

Orks shoot over Grots, no coversave for Marines.

Wether the Grots are in base-to-base or spread out is completely irrelevant.

**utan**

I prefer to use a KFF (or terrain) for the boys cover save and have my grotz "go to ground" on the mission's objectives!

**Mad Rabbit**

Seems to me like you want some war walkers, vypers or falcons/fire prisms for this tactic. Dark Reapers are definitely not the mobile firepower unit.
Mobile fire bases are war walkers. Vypers if you need them to be fast.