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After Imperial Guard, do we know who is up next for sure, or is it all rumors? If anyone knows where to find the most official information on this kind of thing I'd love to know where to look.

This Summer there is Planetstrike.

As BrookM says, Planetstrike is the only upcoming release officially confirmed in print... although it is a supplement rather than a Codex. Verbal confirmation came from the lips of Phil Kelly at Games Day France that Space Wolves and Dark Eldar would be coming 'next'* but he didn't give any dates. This also doesn't preclude some other 'mystery' release being slipped in somewhere as I believe Phil provided the information in response to being asked specifically about Space Wolves and Dark Eldar.

*Inverted commas for vaguery rather than a direct quote

BrookM wrote:This Summer there is Planetstrike.

Yay!

Space wolves ( or sub anything ) should never get their release same way as full army have.

They should only get minor updates like recent empire items!

GW you are crazyyyy

The Empire release is a rehash of old metal minis and new ones (the archers), the Space Wolves are something completely different, but that is best discussed in the Woof thread found here.

I have to agree with Luna, though I can't elaborate without flame-baiting.
I am sick of space marines to a degree that defies communicability.
And I still have no idea what to make of Planetstrike. To be honest, I wish it was another codex release instead.

Well everyone knows that Space Marines are the baby of GW..of course they would rather produce a crappy SM codex than one of more substance.

Soze to get back on your point I think there are lots of second wave models coming out this year rather than full codex releases.

I don't know, Space Wolves might be cool.

One could apply all the moans to 40k that get applied to space marines.

If WHFB got half the love that 40k gets supplement wise or in WD, I'd be a happy man, sadly I know that will never happen.

The fact remains that Space Marinez are the most popular range in the GW's most popular game system, of course they get more love than everything else.

Problem is that GW keeps pushing marines the most so obviously they are the most popular and as such the most deserving of new stuff every time.

And I am not complaining...anymore

LunaHound wrote:
Space wolves ( or sub anything ) should never get their release same way as full army have.

They should only get minor updates like recent empire items!

GW you are crazyyyy

Indeed, even from a space marine perspective why should Space Wolves even get a codex when Blood Angels don't?

Also I'm not looking for a game expanding supplement when the game itself is not complete yet.

I think GW needs an Editor. Ah well, old story about sour grapesing! Maybe Planet strike will be cool, or I could go play War of the Ring while I'm waiting for 5th ed codices...

Awe man, I wish there was yet another thread complaining about the upcoming SW release. Oh wait, there's one right here! Really? Thanks guys. My day is now complete!

Augustus wrote:Indeed, even from a space marine perspective why should Space Wolves even get a codex when Blood Angels don't?

I think GW feels SW have more to offer for a full army revamp, Blood Angels (currently) don't have enough "variant" models to push the way BA, DA or SW seem to. For the other three, you can use the sprues across the whole army while BA really have only the Death Company, some vehicle parts and some chapter logos to offer (again, currently, GW could do something about this if they tried). Sadly for the BA, they don't wear dresses, wolf parts or capes/tabards, so it is harder to accessorize for them, you can only do so much with a "blood" theme. Augustus, I see your request for an Editor (which GW really needs several) and raise you a real 40k Line Developer/Manager/whatever you want to call them.

Soze, rumor has it that Phil Kelly is also working on whatever codex the Grey Knights will be in next.

temprus wrote:
Soze, rumor has it that Phil Kelly is also working on whatever codex the Grey Knights will be in next.

This makes me happy if true.

i thought i heard somewhere that the space wolves and dark eldar are next.
(i really hope that the dark eldar will be first.)

@ temprus, thanks, lets hope!

Augustus wrote:why should Space Wolves even get a codex when Blood Angels don't?

Well, BA don't have anything besides their SCs & the Baal Pred, which tracks the same as the SW SCs & Bjorn. Because BA models currently sell just like SM, there isn't much that needs to be done at the moment. Though I would expect a BT-style bitz upgrade box with skull & crossbones and teardrop bitz, along with Greco/Roman-style "bared" chestplates and a BA-specific JP when GW finally gets around to doing BA "for real". Visually and rules-wise, BA will need a quite a bit more work before a new Codex and bitz sprue can be released.

Space Wolves currently have a plastic bitz sprue and an unconventional force structure that drives easily-trackable sales via discrete BC, GH, & LF boxes. Plus, the current SW boxes use obsolete Tactical & Assault sprues, along with metal Devastator bitz, so there are production problems in that GW is still producing less-efficient sprues and mixed-metal stuff. The real question is whether SW will retain distinct GH/BC/LF packaging, or whether they'll be handled like BT with an initial SW-specific box splash followed by moving to a SW bitz upgrade box.

Augustus wrote:Indeed, even from a space marine perspective why should Space Wolves even get a codex when Blood Angels don't?

Blood Angels have a Codex.

wyomingfox wrote:Awe man, I wish there was yet another thread complaining about the upcoming SW release. Oh wait, there's one right here! Really? Thanks guys. My day is now complete!

QFT

It's amazing how many times people want to rehash this argument. All we need is a sidebar about whether the DE or SW have gone longer without an update and this thread will be complete.

So nothing about nids? I have heard rumours in several places about a release either december or next year...looks like I've been had.

Fetterkey wrote:

Augustus wrote:Indeed, even from a space marine perspective why should Space Wolves even get a codex when Blood Angels don't?

Blood Angels have a Codex.

are you talking about the two articles that came out in white dwarf during 4th edition? that's not a codex; it's filler for a crappy magazine.

I predict that whatever the releases are for the next 12 months, some people will not be happy.

QFT

First off, the BA codex in white dwarf is actually longer and more complete than the 3rd edition one, so it was an improvement on that.

Second, the problem isn't Space Wolves, which have had their own codex since like forever, but it was Dark Angels and Black Templars. The DA book essentially is watered down marines with Deathwing and Ravenwing. Part of that was execution, but part of that is the simple fact that DA are a strict codex chapter, so they can't really have neat DA stuff and get Deathwing/Ravenwing without making Space Marines obsolete. They could have done a better job with the power armored DA, but as it is, there's one codex that sits on the shelf and is used almost solely for Deathwing, ravenwing, and combi-wing.

Black Templars are the other problem. If you told a gamer in 1998 that there would be a full codex for a non-codex, hand to hand loving chapter that uses land raiders heavily and even uses mixed armor squads, everybody would have assumed it was space wolves. Now, I know a lot of people like BTs, but the distinction between UM, BT, and SW tend to be very, very fine (and certainly less than between say, Thousands Sons and Iron Warriors. But I digress.) Black templars had a broken ass list in Armageddon, a nice simple color scheme, and neat fluff, so they got a little steam, and for reasons unknown to all, BT got the 2nd MEQ codex of fourth.

Space wolves, along with Orks, have been a huge part of the game, and almost as much or even more than UMs, represent the best way to sell MEQs to new players. Vikings! In Space! They're good guys that don't like outsiders and drink beer and sing songs!

Anyway, IMO, the way SM codices since 4th edition should have been done are as follows:

Instead of BT, Space Wolves.
Soon after that, BT get a blood angels style codex in WD, maybe release the sprue.
Instead of the DA codex, release an Angels of Death codex, with a shared power armor core, and add ons for the two chapters (deathwing, ravenwing for DA; Vets, death company, furiosos, and Baals for BA).
Instead of doing Space Wolves now, do combined inquisition or DE/Necrons.

Polonius wrote:Space wolves, along with Orks, have been a huge part of the game, and almost as much or even more than UMs, represent the best way to sell MEQs to new players. Vikings! In Space! They're good guys that don't like outsiders and drink beer and sing songs!

I don't have much interest in YAIC (Yet Another Imperial Codex). /yawn. I don't have a lot of interest in a DE codex, either, but I'd sure be more interested in that than another Marine book. But hey, we're just players/customers - we really can't do much about it, unfortunately.

But I gotta say, Polonius, your comment above is awesomely sig-worthy! /salute

@Polonius: I generally agree with you. Adding BT to the list of actual Codices only made things worse. But the BT have the best bitz of all the SM, so I'm OK with that. 40k would be much poorer if we lost the tabard Marines.

Same with making DA before SM (because the DA lost the new SM stuff that was added). But DA basically are essentially basic SM with DW/RW as variation, so this makes sense. But DA wear dresses and feathers, so they get a book and models.

SW are good, because of the pelts and Norse bitz, plus, they're old.

And, of course, there is CSM with their spikes and such...

Of course, this means that BA lose out, which is why they just got a "get-you-by" Codex in WD.

Given that GW must release models over rules / Fluff, I think GW is doing things about right, with model-based lines BT/DA/SW getting real releases, and the timing is about as tight as it could be, what with having to release 5E and SM on schedule and shoehorn in a CSM release during 4E.

The reality is that Marines of any color sell. They require less effort to produce than other armies as well, since the tanks are all 'common' and the troopers are all based on the same kits as well. So, it's a money maker for GW. They push marines, marines sell well, they push marines. Nice little circular logic there. It works.

If GW would add other armies into the mix, I'd be happy to see loyalist marines get 1-2 books and chaos marines get the. But, GW probably wouldn't add other armies to the mix, and if they did, they wouldn't be as profitable as more marinez! hurr! GW is a business, if they don't make money, they don't stay in business. While more Xenos would be nice, I'd rather see GW stay in business and make more marinez! hurr!