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Her Majesty's Buxom Commissar wrote:As BrookM says, Planetstrike is the only upcoming release officially confirmed in print... although it is a supplement rather than a Codex. Verbal confirmation came from the lips of Phil Kelly at Games Day France that Space Wolves and Dark Eldar would be coming 'next'* but he didn't give any dates. This also doesn't preclude some other 'mystery' release being slipped in somewhere as I believe Phil provided the information in response to being asked specifically about Space Wolves and Dark Eldar.

*Inverted commas for vaguery rather than a direct quote

As far as Dark Eldar are concerned, I don't find this to be likely for a few reasons.

Dark Eldar aren't even in print anymore, the models aren't even being made at the moment from what I've heard from my local store owner.

Dark Eldar would require a line of new models to make them viable, and a lot of the old models look horrible. If they wanted to make Dark Eldar up to snuff with current game/model standards, it would require a remanufacture of most of the Dark Eldar's models. Because of this, I would think that changes to the Dark Eldar would take a large amount of time, and considering the amount of Dark Eldar players that are even around (which aren't many), this doesn't seem like a profitable move for GW instead of them redoing a space marine codex, or something like Necrons or the Inqusition, with a much larger player base, but with codexes almost as old as Dark Eldar.

Kreedos wrote:Because of this, I would think that changes to the Dark Eldar would take a large amount of time...

How 10 years suit ya?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kreedos wrote:Because of this, I would think that changes to the Dark Eldar would take a large amount of time...

How 10 years suit ya?

Haha. Touche.

Kreedos wrote:...and considering the amount of Dark Eldar players that are even around (which aren't many), this doesn't seem like a profitable move for GW...

"Oh, new models, drool, .... must have new models, drool, give me models"

"Muahhaha, your lash princes and mech guard are but toys before the might of my new powered up Dark eldar".

problem solved.

puree wrote:

Kreedos wrote:...and considering the amount of Dark Eldar players that are even around (which aren't many), this doesn't seem like a profitable move for GW...

"Oh, new models, drool, .... must have new models, drool, give me models"

"Muahhaha, your lash princes and mech guard are but toys before the might of my new powered up Dark eldar".

problem solved.

And we all know that this is true.

As long as they make the models look good some DE player will start to show up, but not at my FLG. so as of now I've only seen 1 DE player ever!

As long as they make the models look good some DE player will start to show up, but not at my FLG. so as of now I've only seen 1 DE player ever!

Same here

aka_mythos wrote:

Archonate wrote:Funny thing is, even SM players are one by one starting to say "Meh, SMs are cool and all, but what about the rest of the universe???"

This is called market saturation.

Hollismason wrote:If they made just one book Inquisition or Armies of Imperium or whatever and put the Greyknights in that it would be cool. I think everyone here wants to see a Mechanis er Admec Whatever the mars people are called army.

Well one rumor that briefly floated around before Ordo Xenos conceptually died, was that if Ordo Xenos had been done, the Mechanicum would have been touched on because of their connection. Now it looks like its up to FW to do it. I think alot of us would love to see a large collective book touching on a lot of the branches of the Imperium.

The best part about market saturation, is whenever the marine players go out looking for the other parts of the universe, BAM! Brand new Dark Eldar Codex with amazing models, great rules, tons of fluff, and massive spreads in White Dwarf will be right there to push you into buying them.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kreedos wrote:Because of this, I would think that changes to the Dark Eldar would take a large amount of time...

How 10 years suit ya?

Oh yes! Smack on H.B.M.C!!!
Dark eldar HAVE been waiting a while and there is a guy that collects it at the club (crazy though)

As a witch hunter though I have to say, Witch Hunters? Pleeeeeeaaaaaaaaase?

Elric of Grans wrote:

Archonate wrote:Everybody wants new stuff to drool over. But very few armies actually need anything at all. DE, SWs and Necrons are really the only ones.

I think Sisters deserve an update too. Most of my models predate the introduction of the Dark Eldar and Necron armies. The only thing we gained since the last Codex: Space Wolves were the Repentia and the Exorcist. One good thing, at least, but I think this is long enough on one lousy unit.

I sure wish they would get their act together on these older armies. The only reason I will not play Dark Eldar is that their models are awful; I have no doubt their future ones will make me spend my life savings, without even looking at the Codex. Necron are boring. Space Wolves are not too bad... frankly, I think they will lose a lot out of this update, and gain very little.

If I were to add a 4th to the list it would be Sisters. But I don't think they need it as badly as the aforementioned. Sisters' codex was written to jive with 4th ed and their list is newer by several years.

Archonate wrote:But I don't think they need it as badly as the aforementioned. Sisters' codex was written to jive with 4th ed and their list is newer by several years.

I suggest you get the second edition Codex: Sisters of Battle, then look at the Army List forum. You will find the lists are barely any different from then. Less variety of units, only you can take more of them. You will also notice the photos are identical to moden Sisters armies. Newer, maybe, but that Codex was for the Inquisition. We got Repentia I will trade you your Wytches for my Repentia any day.

Well, perhaps not the models. Dark Eldar win for worst-looking models any day!

Kreedos wrote:Dark Eldar aren't even in print anymore, the models aren't even being made at the moment from what I've heard from my local store owner.

Dark Eldar would require a line of new models to make them viable, and a lot of the old models look horrible. If they wanted to make Dark Eldar up to snuff with current game/model standards, it would require a remanufacture of most of the Dark Eldar's models. Because of this, I would think that changes to the Dark Eldar would take a large amount of time, and considering the amount of Dark Eldar players that are even around (which aren't many), this doesn't seem like a profitable move for GW instead of them redoing a space marine codex, or something like Necrons or the Inqusition, with a much larger player base, but with codexes almost as old as Dark Eldar.

You could have made this same argument against the release of the Tau army. Which had no models, no players, nothing before the release. As we've seen with Orks, if you re-build a decent codex, with decent models, people will buy them. The same will apply with DE. I have a large DE army, and I'd buy new warriors, incubi, and raiders if the new models were up to snuff.

Cruentus wrote:if you re-build a decent codex, with decent models, people will buy them.

Exactly. You don't even have to like DE to accept that, but I've learned never to underestimate peoples' inability to grasp that simple concept.
Pretty much anybody who insists that giving DE a makeover is a waste of time could be labeled as someone who can't get their mind around that rudimentary fact.

You know you guys have been arguing about the same thing since like post 4?
Edit: Sorry, it was post 5

I want a 6th edition Ork Codex. Why must I wait so long!?!?!?!

FlammingGaunt wrote:As long as they make the models look good some DE player will start to show up, but not at my FLG. so as of now I've only seen 1 DE player ever!

there is 3 (including myself) at my local store out of about 15 to 20 players

Archonate wrote:I love Tau so much that I bought their last codex even though I don't play them, and I have to agree. Tau are very solid. Their infantry is amazing, their vehicles are amazing, their versatility is through the roof.
Everybody wants new stuff to drool over. But very few armies actually need anything at all. DE, SWs and Necrons are really the only ones.

Yeah. :rolleyes: That's why you see one or two (max) in the top 50 of any tournament and never see them finish in the top 10. They are VERY underpowered in the current rule edition.

ObiFett wrote:

Archonate wrote:I love Tau so much that I bought their last codex even though I don't play them, and I have to agree. Tau are very solid. Their infantry is amazing, their vehicles are amazing, their versatility is through the roof.
Everybody wants new stuff to drool over. But very few armies actually need anything at all. DE, SWs and Necrons are really the only ones.

Yeah. That's why you see one or two (max) in the top 50 of any tournament and never see them finish in the top 10. They are VERY underpowered in the current rule edition.

I'll admit I've heard a lot about Tau players struggling, but I also hear a lot about Tau players who are nigh unstoppable. Given the ratio of Tau vs. all other armies in a tournament, wouldn't it be a small number anyway? Don't SMs account for about 40 of the top 50 armies? I ask cause I really don't know. All I see are in-store tournaments and Rogue Traders tournaments, where Tau appear to be just as competitive as all the others.
I'm certainly no authority on Tau, but my point is their codex is ahelluvalot newer than several others. There are armies that have been around longer which are still using their first codex.

The last results I saw for a major tournament, Space Marines barely registered a blip. It was all Orks, Chaos and Eldar.

That said, Tau are not a popular army, so there is not a large representation of them. I also hear mixed results from them. Many complain that they are horridly nerfed and no longer work, whereas others complain that they are horridly powerful and cannot be beaten. Go figure. Almost no one seems to deny that Dark Eldar and Necrons are far more deserving of a new book than Tau, given they are worse in pretty well every way imaginable.

I honestly don't see the how some people can really hold them selves up so high and judge what GW should do. I mean they're a company there going where the monies at since DE are 1 of the smallest group of players their going to be updated less. Do I think it's fair No but I'm not going to cry over it either.

But the counter to that is that DE doesn't need to be the smallest group of players and are only the smallest group because it's been 300 years since their last update.

I thought it was 400?

H.B.M.C. wrote:But the counter to that is that DE doesn't need to be the smallest group of players and are only the smallest group because it's been 300 years since their last update.

Exactly. Current player base is irrelevant and GW knows it. What GW knows is:

if you re-build a decent codex, with decent models, people will buy them.

It's not as if the only people who will play the new DE will be current DE players. In fact I'm betting the majority of people who will start buying new DE are not currently DE players. They are latent DE players. DE players in embryo. Some may not even know that they're gonna love DE until they see their new face.

I believe Orks used to have less players than Dark Eldar; they were a worse army at any rate. Games Workshop showed them a little love for once, and now they are one of the biggest sellers. Clearly they should stop promoting lesser armies, else they risk turning a profit!

The issue with DE is the issue with Squats - how much negative baggage does the army carry?

Within GW, the Squats were a running joke, and DE an abject failure. Trying to tell the bean counters that you've successfully gold-plated a turd, and that "this time, it'll be different" is a tough job. Even for Phil Kelly & Jes Goodwin, because most likely, those bean counters replied: "OK, and you'll resign if it doesn't take off, right..."

I don't think the Bean Counters would try that with Jes.

Maybe Phil, but probably not...

We'll see, eventually!

Maybe not that extreme, but probably not far from it.

Lately, moreso than ever before, GW has been extremely conservative in their money-making decision-making. It's almost comical how transparent GW has been going about it.

And in this economy, I really can't fault GW for wanting to play things safe.

To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if GW actually was getting ready to release DE (and Planetstrike) about a year or two ago when the economy was still strong and Apocalypse having legs was something of an unknown. But when the economy started tanking, and Apocalypse showed it was going to hang around for the long haul, GW changed direction to focus on guaranteed money-makers keep the things flowing.

Must.... restrain.... need... to... claim... earth... is... flat... despite... all... evidence... to... the... contrary... uhhh... *faints*

JHDD, I'm gonna have that plate of roast crow for you soon. You can start with the crow salad or crow soup and then for dessert we have a crow chocolate mousse.

Just wait.

Seriously, I've read a lot on the internet but that.. How big is that ass?

edit.

THE CAKE ISN'T A LIE. THE CAKE ISN'T A LIE. THE CAKE ISN'T A LIE. THE CAKE ISN'T A LIE. THE CAKE ISN'T A LIE.

Keyser Soze wrote:After Imperial Guard, do we know who is up next for sure, or is it all rumors? If anyone knows where to find the most official information on this kind of thing I'd love to know where to look.

Hey. I'm new to this site. I have heard much talk of a new Necron codex. ;D