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**H.B.M.C.**

Elric of Grans wrote:No question there. If they just said outright `Sisters are being done somewhere around 20xx to 20xx+1' I would feel much happier.

We still don't actually know what's coming out in July, so it'd be wishful thinking to think that we'd get a preview or a date such as that.

**Elric of Grans**

... I know. That was the whole point of that little sub-topic. We know nothing, but I wish Games Workshop would be a little more vocal in their plans.

**1hadhq**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Elric of Grans wrote:No question there. If they just said outright `Sisters are being done somewhere around 20xx to 20xx+1' I would feel much happier.

We still don't actually know what's coming out in July, so it'd be wishful thinking to think that we'd get a preview or a date such as that.

I'm sure we know about july since pre-orders are possible now.

A few GD spain rumors:

-codex space wolves ready for localization = coming soon
-codex necrons worked on
-codex tyranids worked on
-codex blood angels worked on
-codex black templars worked on
-codex dark space elfs "a year away"

This year wolftime.

**JohnHwangDD**

A new Codex rumor!

But why it has to be more SM (BT), is completely beyond me...

**BrookM**

Your GW-fu is weak John.

**H.B.M.C.**

1hadhq wrote:I'm sure we know about july since pre-orders are possible now.

What's a Shrine of the Aquila then? Does the Land Speeder Storm come with crew like rumoured or not? What is the Battlescape? What's actually in the Spear of Sicarius (ie. not a rumour)?

Do you know these things 1hadhq?

**BrookM**

Enough!

We shall watch this release space, for more will certainly come, in due time..

Damn, I need to grow me that hairy Lee moustache something fierce, otherwise I'll never be able to dispense faux chinese wisdom.

**Elric of Grans**

H.B.M.C. wrote:What's a Shrine of the Aquila then?

It is terrain. If it is the one I remember seeing a while back, it is a shattered wall with a stained glass window and a floor with rubble over it. I plan on getting this one, as I rather liked the look of it. The Battlescape is the same as the Cityscape: all the new terrain in a single box. I read something about the Spear, but I cannot remember now. Apparently it matches up to some list in a Codex, or the rule book... something like that.

**H.B.M.C.**

So that'll be a "We don't know for sure" then will it Elric?

I rest my case...

**1hadhq**

H.B.M.C. wrote:That's not the only thing he's lacking... but moving on...

1hadhq wrote:I'm sure we know about july since pre-orders are possible now.

What's a Shrine of the Aquila then? Does the Land Speeder Storm come with crew like rumoured or not? What is the Battlescape? What's actually in the Spear of Sicarius (ie. not a rumour)?

Do you know these things 1hadhq?

The first part of the releases is with pics at GW's site...
the secondary part hasn't pics yet, but prices...
Link:
http://www.tabletopwelt.de/forum/showthread.php?t=116902

From its pricing, its safe to assume that a LS-storm has a crew. There are no open topped vehicles without crew coming from GW lately.
Spear of sicarius is a army box, but i doubt any new models inside. At 142 models, could be just a lot of droppods/marines.
Shrine of the aquila is a cathedral, maybe some parts from the background we have seen before ( gothic windows twice the standard
CoD parts size? ).

Sorry i don't know everything, but I'll post it here if i find out.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

IIRC, the contents of the Spear of Sicarius contains all the models required to make his Company as illustrated in the Space Marine Codex.

Now whether this means conversion packs for old school design flamers etc, I dunno. Though that would be a nifty bitz pack I feel.

**H.B.M.C.**

1hadhq wrote:Sorry i don't know everything, but I'll post it here if i find out.

Hey, look, it's not a bad reflection on you, it's just that my (original) point was that it is wishful thinking to think GW will reveal any future plans when we don't even know what half of next month's releases look like.

**BrookM**

Ah, now I remember! Shrine of the Aquila is that resin terrain piece released during the EoT campaign. I can't seem to find a picture but it's that pre-painted ruined shrine with the cheap plastic stained glass windows that easily lose form when exposed to sunlight. Yeah I got one.

**1hadhq**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
1hadhq wrote:Sorry i don't know everything, but I'll post it here if i find out.

Hey, look, it's not a bad reflection on you, it's just that my (original) point was that it is wishful thinking to think GW will reveal any future plans when we don't even know what half of next month's releases look like.

Its a good point.

Still, if we gather all those hints from various GD, then we'll get some ideas whats coming.

A point of mine would be:

This year had 6 months and 1 codex release.
If we count planetstrike as "slot", how many codices will be released this year?

IG + PS + SW + X? or just IG + PS + SW?

**Brimstone**

Codicies left to go this year Space Wolves and possibly one more although I wouldn't bet the morgage on that last one as it may move into early 2010.

Like everybody else I don't know for sure.

**reds8n**

H.B.M.C. wrote:

What's a Shrine of the Aquila then? Does the Land Speeder Storm come with crew like rumoured or not? What is the Battlescape? What's actually in the Spear of Sicarius (ie. not a rumour)?

The Shrine is a COD style building ( in terms of appearence anyway apparently, not sure if it is modular like them, but I doubt it). Has double doors and a big Imperial Aquila over them. It's damaged like the old chapel thing they did I believe.

Battle scape is a bundled terrain pack with the placcy board and the new terrain releases. been told that is " nothing that special", but might make a good purchase for a gaming club.

**Hollismason**

What I don't understand is there doesn't seem to be any plans at all to release non-imperial buildings for planetstrike. It would be nice to see some sort of variation I mean I guess the Eldar use imperial bastions?

**H.B.M.C.**

Too specific. Most of the wars that happen in this game happen on Imperial worlds. Chaos use Imperial things w/spikes & skulls, and Orks use Imperial things with lots of things stuck on. So you can take a Bastion and make it Chaos-y or Orky with some bits. You can't make them Eldar-y or Tau-y.

Eldar and Tau buildings are too specific to bother with as there is a very small market for such a thing (most people don't play Tau/Eldar, most people do play Imperium, therefore releasing Imperial buildings makes sense).

**bigchris1313**

BrookM wrote:Ah, now I remember! Shrine of the Aquila is that resin terrain piece released during the EoT campaign. I can't seem to find a picture but it's that pre-painted ruined shrine with the cheap plastic stained glass windows that easily lose form when exposed to sunlight. Yeah I got one.

I sure hope that isn't the case and that it's actually more than that, per some of the other conjecture here. IIRC, that stained-glass window set was featured at the bargain price of $75, and knowing GW, I think that price could easily materialize somewhere just south of $100 if released this year.

**FlammingGaunt**

To all the people hoping for a new army for 40k it's not going to happen for a while. quite a codex's are in 3rd edition or below, the only way I could see that happening is if they replace an army with the new one. I wouldn't want one because there's already like 16 codex's a good portion SM factions. what GW should do is group all the special SM faction into 1 supa dex, and save time and paper.

**H.B.M.C.**

FlammingGaunt - Codex Daemons was a 'new' Codex, was it not? I don't think the backlog of un-revised Codices means anything to GW. If it did, DE, SW, WH, DH and Necrons would already have new Codices.

**wyomingfox**

Why stop there. Hey we could just group SM, Non-Codex SM Chapters, Necrons, WH, GK, CM all under "Codex 3+". Then we Could Group IG, Eldar, and Dark Eldar under "Codex 5+". Lastly we have "Codex 6+" with Tyranids and Orks. There saves paper and energy and EVERYONE is happy....No?

How about all you guys stop whining! Seriously, do I go around and say Nooooo not EMO Eldar....anything but Emo Eldar. No! Do I ask for GW to just group Emo Eldar in with Codex Eldar. No, I don't.

You guys want your Demon Marines...Fine. You Want your Terminator Marines...Fine. You want your Drag Marines...Fine. You want your Emo Eldar...Fine. So stop whining because I want my Grey, Viking, Bitey Marines.

**JohnHwangDD**

wyomingfox wrote:You guys want your Demon Marines...Fine. You Want your Terminator Marines...Fine. You want your Drag Marines...Fine. You want your Emo Eldar...Fine. So stop whining because I want my Grey, Viking, Bitey Marines.

The key difference is that you are actually getting your Viking Marines in 4 months.

The other guys still have some waiting to do.

**Archonate**

wyomingfox wrote:You guys want your Demon Marines...Fine. You Want your Terminator Marines...Fine. You want your Drag Marines...Fine. You want your Emo Eldar...Fine. So stop whining because I want my Grey, Viking, Bitey Marines.

Nobody is saying you shouldn't get your werewolf vikings from space. We all know they are next. The suggestion to lump SM chapters into one big codex is for the sake of freeing up release slotting for other armies in the future. And since all SM chapters are basically the same besides a few rules tweaks and Special Characters, there's really no good reason for them to take up so many release slots per year.
It's really GWs slothfulness that has everybody so upset. If they weren't so slow, maybe all our favorite SM chapters could get their very own codex, along with every Chaos Chapter, Eldar Craftworld, Tau Sept, Ork Clan, DE Kabal, IG planet, Necron Tomb World, Etc. But since all those armies are condensed into one codex each, SMs should be no exception. We've all made the same investment to play the game and are no less deserving of attention.

**aka_mythos**

Archonate wrote:Funny thing is, even SM players are one by one starting to say "Meh, SMs are cool and all, but what about the rest of the universe???"

This is called market saturation.

Hollismason wrote:If they made just one book Inquisition or Armies of Imperium or whatever and put the Greyknights in that it would be cool. I think everyone here wants to see a Mechanis er Admec Whatever the mars people are called army.

Well one rumor that briefly floated around before Ordo Xenos conceptually died, was that if Ordo Xenos had been done, the Mechanicum would have been touched on because of their connection. Now it looks like its up to FW to do it. I think alot of us would love to see a large collective book touching on a lot of the branches of the Imperium.

**wyomingfox**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
wyomingfox wrote:You guys want your Demon Marines...Fine. You Want your Terminator Marines...Fine. You want your Drag Marines...Fine. You want your Emo Eldar...Fine. So stop whining because I want my Grey, Viking, Bitey Marines.

The key difference is that you are actually getting your Viking Marines in 4 months.

The other guys still have some waiting to do.

Yeah, but I and other SW players waited patiently for over 9 years for the new codex and models. And that is the whole thing. You have Tau players wanting to squat SW so that they can get thier Codex sooner...ummm you got a new codex in 2005 (Hell, you waited less than 5 years for a codex update). You have Necron Players sreaming that SW need to be squated...Ummm 2002, wait yer turn. WH and DH wanting to squat SW...yours were in 2003. As for Emo Eldar, they are coming up in 2010...and untill GW publically announces they are squated I won't believe otherwise.

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Archonate wrote:
wyomingfox wrote:And since all SM chapters are basically the same besides a few rules tweaks and Special Characters, there's really no good reason for them to take up so many release slots per year.

SW use to be very divergent from SM, just a little less divergent than CSM. SW had true grit, counter assault, were not effected by overwhelming numbers in CC, and accute senses, skills that were only allocated to SW when they came out in 3rd edition and not found amoungst other codices at the time. LF were 5 man squads that could split fire, the only unit in 3rd to do that till the Tau Codex came out. Scouts were elites and were the only unit capable of coming off the back board. We were the only ones with Venerable Dreadnoughts. We had wolves. SW were the only SM with squad sizes above 10 (Blood Claws) untill BT came out. Our tactical units (Blood Claws) had WS and BS 3. None of our Troops got Heavy Weapons which was relatively unheard of in 3rd Ed. Our terminators were customizable and couldn't deep strike. We were the only SM army that could drop pod. They had a Leman Russ. If SW closely resemble SM now it is only because GW has been handing out traits and skills to other armies that were at one time exclusively SW.

**JohnHwangDD**

wyomingfox wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:
wyomingfox wrote:I want my Grey, Viking, Bitey Marines.

The key difference is that you are actually getting your Viking Marines in 4 months.

The other guys still have some waiting to do.

Yeah, but I and other SW players waited patiently for over 9 years for the new codex and models. And that is the whole thing. You have Tau players wanting to squat SW so that they can get thier Codex sooner...ummm you got a new codex in 2005 (Hell, you waited less than 5 years for a codex update). You have Necron Players sreaming that SW need to be squated...Ummm 2002, wait yer turn. WH and DH wanting to squat SW...yours were in 2003. As for Emo Eldar, they are coming up in 2010...and untill GW publically announces they are squated I won't believe otherwise.

We don't know that spiky Eldar are coming in 2010 - GW said they're at *least* a year away, so 2H 2010 is the *earliest* they could come out. Emo Eldar could be 2011 or 2012 or even later.

The Codices for Necrons, Sisters, and Inquisition are indeed old, and should be addressed sooner rather than later.

The Tau guys are just being petty, I agree.

**Archonate**

wyomingfox wrote:If SW closely resemble SM now it is only because GW has been handing out traits and skills to other armies that were at one time exclusively SW.

That is true. Unfortunately, I don't think GW will do much to reverse that. I'm betting they'll feel as "different" from vanilla marines as any other chapter.

JohnHwangDD wrote:The Tau guys are just being petty, I agree.

I love Tau so much that I bought their last codex even though I don't play them, and I have to agree. Tau are very solid. Their infantry is amazing, their vehicles are amazing, their versatility is through the roof.
Everybody wants new stuff to drool over. But very few armies actually need anything at all. DE, SWs and Necrons are really the only ones.

**wyomingfox**

Archonate wrote:That is true. Unfortunately, I don't think GW will do much to reverse that. I'm betting they'll feel as "different" from vanilla marines as any other chapter.

Yeah you are probably right there. My greatest fear is that SW will be hit with the "Bland Hammer" which so far many of the rumors kinda of predict. Hopefully the models will at least be eye candy and fun to paint.

JohnHwangDD wrote:The Tau guys are just being petty, I agree.

Archonate wrote:I love Tau so much that I bought their last codex even though I don't play them, and I have to agree. Tau are very solid. Their infantry is amazing, their vehicles are amazing, their versatility is through the roof.
Everybody wants new stuff to drool over. But very few armies actually need anything at all. DE, SWs and Necrons are really the only ones.

Yeah, I pretty much agree with both you and John.

**Elric of Grans**

Archonate wrote:Everybody wants new stuff to drool over. But very few armies actually need anything at all. DE, SWs and Necrons are really the only ones.

I think Sisters deserve an update too. Most of my models predate the introduction of the Dark Eldar and Necron armies. The only thing we gained since the last Codex: Space Wolves were the Repentia and the Exorcist. One good thing, at least, but I think this is long enough on one lousy unit.

I sure wish they would get their act together on these older armies. The only reason I will not play Dark Eldar is that their models are awful; I have no doubt their future ones will make me spend my life savings, without even looking at the Codex. Necron are boring. Space Wolves are not too bad... frankly, I think they will lose a lot out of this update, and gain very little.