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Fetterkey wrote:

Augustus wrote:Indeed, even from a space marine perspective why should Space Wolves even get a codex when Blood Angels don't?

Blood Angels have a Codex.

OH? so a pdf file is now a Codex? HMM, that's news to me..

two_heads_talking wrote:

Fetterkey wrote:

Augustus wrote:Indeed, even from a space marine perspective why should Space Wolves even get a codex when Blood Angels don't?

Blood Angels have a Codex.

OH? so a pdf file is now a Codex? HMM, that's news to me..

Come on, it's not a 6 page pdf like the old Kroot Mercenary list, it's 28 pages and a full army list, with more and better options than several armies with full codices (DE, Necrons, and Inquistition armies notably). It's not a full book, but it's clearly not an afterthought either.

Polonius wrote:

two_heads_talking wrote:
OH? so a pdf file is now a Codex? HMM, that's news to me..

Come on, it's not a 6 page pdf like the old Kroot Mercenary list, it's 28 pages and a full army list, with more and better options than several armies with full codices (DE, Necrons, and Inquistition armies notably). It's not a full book, but it's clearly not an afterthought either.

Well, I was actually thinking of a certain 2 page blood angel pdf/codex.. I had completely glossed over or forgot about the 28 page one.. YOu have a valid point. I withdraw my smartass remark.

Polonius wrote:

two_heads_talking wrote:

Fetterkey wrote:

Augustus wrote:Indeed, even from a space marine perspective why should Space Wolves even get a codex when Blood Angels don't?

Blood Angels have a Codex.

OH? so a pdf file is now a Codex? HMM, that's news to me..

Come on, it's not a 6 page pdf like the old Kroot Mercenary list, it's 28 pages and a full army list, with more and better options than several armies with full codices (DE, Necrons, and Inquistition armies notably). It's not a full book, but it's clearly not an afterthought either.

Polonius, I like your point, however WD article !- codex. I want it on the shelf with the rest. Also V4, not V5. To me that is fail.

Augustus wrote:
Polonius, I like your point, however WD article !- codex. I want it on the shelf with the rest. Also V4, not V5. To me that is fail.

It's not as good, but something had to give. The old book was laughably obsolete, while the current army list is more varied and fits the current metagame far better. As for being from V4, only 3 armies are built for V5. I want DE back on the shelf, and a mechanicus codex, and lots of other stuff, but I think GW has realized there are too many armies as it is. You can have to many be marine variants, but those are what people like and want. GW is going to end up making five codices for marines (UM, DA, BA, BT, SW) when they needed at most three (UM, Angels of Death, Codex:non-Codex). That would open up a slot for an Inquisition Codex, or the DE or whatever.

You forgot the other codicies that people want.

Chaos
Chaos with Demons
Chaos with Chaos
Chaos without Chaos
Chaos IG
Chaos Marines

And Zoats

Seriously, if they wanted to, they could make a whole game out of MEQ's, and have a codex for each first founding legion, and have marines vs. marines for the fate of the universe. It would be called, Warhammer 30,000, The Horus Heresy. It might even catch on, spurring fans to imagine it in their own way...

Seriously though, if they really wanted to inundate us with marines, why didn't they do a separate codex for each of the chaos legions?

Because while chaos legions have spacehams, they also have demons and Johnny's mom won't buy those for him - no sir.

Because they didn't want to create new models for each legion. Codices only exist to sell models, which is why BA got the shaft, and why Chaos Legions are rolled into one book.

But... there are Cult marine models!

I mean there are death guard, Berzerkers, Noise Marines and 1k Sons Polonius?

Isn't the imperial equivalent for the chaos codex aproach to cults like saying:

-Loyalist assault marines are now called "blood angels" and are usually red and Tac Marines, often blue are now called "Ultramarines" etc.?

Augustus wrote:But... there are Cult marine models!

I mean there are death guard, Berzerkers, Noise Marines and 1k Sons Polonius?

Isn't the imperial equivalent for the chaos codex aproach to cults like saying:

-Loyalist assault marines are now called "blood angels" and are usually red and Tac Marines, often blue are now called "Ultramarines" etc.?

Well, keep in mind that a big chunk of the Chaos range is already Imperial stuff (Rhino, preds, vindie, landraider), and that outside of the core Black Legion style stuff, most of the cults really only have one kit and a character. Wolves have a full Sprue, plus a metal terminator range, a host of characters, metal scouts, the Wulfen, and Bjorn. Even BAs have Five unique characters, the death company, the honor guard, the Baal Pred, and the Furioso. DAs have the full sprue (to make robed vets, deathwing, and ravenwing) as well as a few characters. BT have a decent sized range. the Basic Marine range is far, far larger than the Chaos range, particularly after the removal of Demons.

Until GW thinks it can sell a full Iron Warrior Sprue and small metal range, we probably won't see dedicated legion codices. Which is a shame, because I think they're often more interesting than the chapters.

Augustus wrote: I want it on the shelf with the rest. Also V4, not V5. To me that is fail.

Once Space Hulk arrives I'd expect to see a V5 on shelf Blood Angels codex sooner rather than later.

whitedragon wrote:Seriously though, if they really wanted to inundate us with marines, why didn't they do a separate codex for each of the chaos legions?

Who says they aren't going to do this eventually.

It seems like GW only announces the very next thing and nothing ahead of that. I picked Tyranids as my first army and my buddy picked Tau, so I was just curious if the Tyranids were gonna get hooked up anytime soon. I'm loving my codex anyway and already planning my army. I have to admit, knowing SM are always up to date makes me want to buy their Codex as well, if not just for the counter-intelligence.

Keyser Soze wrote:I was just curious if the Tyranids were gonna get hooked up anytime soon.

See my comment about Blood Angels.

@Brimstone

Nice, new Tyranid models (Trygon!) and Space Hulk tiles will soon be mine! I just hope there will be a non-overpriced melee-gaunt option. Ah well, there goes the wishlist...

Boo at the Chaos legion thing. Combining Codex Marine and Chaos Marine codecies would be the way to go, not the other way around. strapping the Craftworlds was the best thing that could happen with eldar.

Greets
Schepp himself

two_heads_talking wrote:

OH? so a pdf file is now a Codex? HMM, that's news to me..

So I can buy a SW codex right?

Oh wait, I can't.

augfubuoy wrote:

two_heads_talking wrote:

OH? so a pdf file is now a Codex? HMM, that's news to me..

So I can buy a SW codex right?

Oh wait, I can't.

But the way things are looking right now you will come fall

Hells yea! Unfortunately, SW's will soon become the newest "fad" among gamers under the assumption the Codex Creep continues ... Whatever. I'll be happy either way.

Four codices for the Imperium.

1)Imperial Guard-The current one is pretty good as it allows for almost everythemed regiment to be built.

2)Space Marines-Codex:Chapters gives builds for the ultras and three other loyal stable chapters(Ultras, Dark angels, and one or two others.)

3)Space Marines-Codex:Geneseed gives the builds for the three or four loyal chapters with signs of geneseed instability(BA, SW, and one or two others)

4)Forces of the Imperium-Combined Inquisition codex. Has Sisters for ordos hereticus and witch hunting duties
Grey Knights and Inq for Ordos Malleus and demon hunting duties
Black Templars for Ordos Xenos duties
Inquisition to tie them all together and to bring in Allies.


Same style set-up for the Forces of Chaos and traitor Guard. Four books for more complete and streamilined army coverage.

I got no idea what's coming out this year.

But I hope its Necrons!!

Necrons are coming after nids which are after DE wich are after Wolves based on what I have read on dakka recently.

Augustus wrote:

Indeed, even from a space marine perspective why should Space Wolves even get a codex when Blood Angels don't?

And a thousands nerds cried out in rage, and were suddenly silenced. Aye, I was one of those nerds.

Brimstone wrote:

Augustus wrote: I want it on the shelf with the rest. Also V4, not V5. To me that is fail.

Once Space Hulk arrives I'd expect to see a V5 on shelf Blood Angels codex sooner rather than later.

whitedragon wrote:Seriously though, if they really wanted to inundate us with marines, why didn't they do a separate codex for each of the chaos legions?

Who says they aren't going to do this eventually.

Brimstone! Oh, Brimstone! Thanks.

Hmm..in times like these, its' rather useless to 'hope' for a combined inquisition codex.

not only GW can't come up with a proper schedule on the releases of codices but they can't even rectify certain points in their FAQS (usually 3rd edition codices) to make the game(s) run more smoothly.

Back to my WoC then, my knights would have to sit in the corner collecting dust. heheh!

I have also heard the rumor that a full codex for Blood Angels will closely follow the release of Space Hulk.

G

Well, when IS Space Hulk due to be released? I mean, to be honest I have been completely ignoring it, but if it is a mile marker on the road to BAV5, then I must confess sudden and intent interest.

Based on various rumours, my personal speculation is Space Wolves are next, with Sisters at the end of the year. Next year I would imagine Dark Eldar, Grey Knights and Necron, in that order. Pure speculation, but based on a few things floating around.

We do, however, know that Nids are most assuredly not coming any time soon, and Necron are definitely not this year. Anyone who wants Blood Angels can go to hell, as there are far more desperate armies in the wings. 2007 is not that old, when we have armies going back to 2000 still waiting. As a Sisters player, I would be quite satisfied with the White Dwarf treatment you got!

Elric of Grans wrote:Based on various rumours, my personal speculation is Space Wolves are next, with Sisters at the end of the year. Next year I would imagine Dark Eldar, Grey Knights and Necron, in that order. Pure speculation, but based on a few things floating around.

We do, however, know that Nids are most assuredly not coming any time soon, and Necron are definitely not this year. Anyone who wants Blood Angels can go to hell, as there are far more desperate armies in the wings. 2007 is not that old, when we have armies going back to 2000 still waiting. As a Sisters player, I would be quite satisfied with the White Dwarf treatment you got!

No offence Elric but you're the first person I've heard mention sisters and I think it may just be wishful thinking on your part.

Planetstrike is confirmed, Space Wolves seems the most likely after that (there have been SW rumours for a while and a GEQ and MEQ per year makes sense) it is all open to debate as nothing solid has emerged. You would knock me over with a feather if they released sisters as nobody but you has mentioned them so far and it would be 4 imperial codecii in a row which is excessive even by GW standards.

Space Hulk is coming, we know this so BA and Nids makes a lot of sense. I agree that BA don't really warrant an update having only got a new codex 2 years ago but it would make a lot of sense for GW to put out codecii for the 2 armies in the space hulk box. Plus the usually reliable Brimstone has teased both nids and BA a few times.

DE have been dangled out the first codex post-space wolves. I would be delighted for this to happen and there has been a lot of chatter recently about DE but nothing really promising has emerged.

So the next few should be SW, DE, Nids, and BA leaving only Necrons, Sisters and Daemonhunters out on a limb as regards an update.

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:So the next few should be SW, DE, Nids, and BA leaving only Necrons, Sisters and Daemonhunters out on a limb as regards an update.

Tau are on that limb too.

TheUnforgiven wrote:Hmm..in times like these, its' rather useless to 'hope' for a combined inquisition codex.

That, and a "combined" Inquistiion as most people suggest (WH + DH + AH + kitchen sink) would see such a drastic paring back of options that would make the loss of Chaos Legions / IG Doctrines / Eldar Craftworlds pale in comparison. Personally, I hope we never see such a thing come to pass.

I'm hoping for a return of C: Sisters of Battle (SoB, NO Allies), followed by C: Inquisition (Inq + GK + DW w/ Allies), to clean up the whole Allies mess.
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grizgrin wrote:Well, when IS Space Hulk due to be released?

SH is supposed to be next year (2010).
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Elric of Grans wrote:my personal speculation is Space Wolves are next, with Sisters at the end of the year. Next year I would imagine Dark Eldar, Grey Knights and Necron, in that order.

We do, however, know that Nids are most assuredly not coming any time soon, and Necron are definitely not this year.

Anyone who wants Blood Angels can go to hell, as there are far more desperate armies in the wings.

@Elric, I gotta agree with robin that you're kinda out there. SW are confirmed for September, after Planetstrike. Nothing has been said on Sisters, so I don't know where that is coming from, aside from Sisters players wishlisting like crazy. DE were sidelined. GK hasn't seen any rumor (DH players are wishlisting?). Necrons are likely well back (2011?).

Nids are likely for 2010, and Necrons are correct not this year (Nids will come before them).

As a BA player, as a matter of fact, I've been to Hell (Michigan), and seen it frozen over. BA will very likely get their release when their sales warrant one. Just like those other armies, and no sooner. If they're slow sellers, then those DEsperate armies may have a very long wait ahead of them.
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bravelybravesirrobin wrote:You would knock me over with a feather if they released sisters as nobody but you has mentioned them so far and it would be 4 imperial codecii in a row which is excessive even by GW standards.

So the next few should be SW, DE, Nids, and BA leaving only Necrons, Sisters and Daemonhunters out on a limb as regards an update.

Totally agred on these Sisters, although it's not a bad idea for later. This year is much too soon.

When were DE confirmed to be on the schedule? I thought, like Necrons, they're sometime in the indefinite future...

My logic behind the order:
* Space Wolves are known to be finished and are the army we hear the most chatter about, so most probably next.
* Necron were only started recently, so are probably 12-18 months away.
* Warseer's Harry said a while back that Dark Eldar and Grey Knights are next year.
* He also said there was a release coming between Space Wolves (who he confirmed as next) and Dark Eldar.
* Games Workshop stated at Baltimore Games Day that they will not update any army with a release in the past five years (ie since Fourth Edition) until all the older armies are updated.

Therefore, Space Wolves next, followed by <blank>, followed by Dark Eldar. Necron or Grey Knights after this, with the latter start of Necron leaning me towards Grey Knights first. Since Sisters are the only army that can possibly fill the blank, I put them there. Then again, Harry did say that he could not believe the <blank> had been kept so well under wraps, and Andy Hoare did start on the Sisters last year, some time before work began on Grey Knights. Wish listing, no doubt, but not entirely baseless.

I did not bother including Planetstrike or Space Hulk since they are supplements, rather than armies.