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JohnHwangDD wrote:When were DE confirmed to be on the schedule? I thought, like Necrons, they're sometime in the indefinite future...

Technically Space Wolves are also set for the indefinite future. All we really have are vague whispers on the order in which the next few armies will be released.

I'm kinda with Elric when it comes to a lack of sympathy for SM players.
I laugh myself to seizures every time somebody says "Myeh DE don't need an update! Their early 3rd Edition codex is solid and competitive!" The only thing that makes their statement funnier is when in the next breath they talk about the sorry state of <insert SM chapter here> and how desperately they need an update. It never stops being funny.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:You would knock me over with a feather if they released sisters as nobody but you has mentioned them so far and it would be 4 imperial codecii in a row which is excessive even by GW standards.

So the next few should be SW, DE, Nids, and BA leaving only Necrons, Sisters and Daemonhunters out on a limb as regards an update.

Totally agred on these Sisters, although it's not a bad idea for later. This year is much too soon.

When were DE confirmed to be on the schedule? I thought, like Necrons, they're sometime in the indefinite future...

They are by no means confirmed to be on the schedule. The only thing confirmed at the moment is Planetstrike.

I think most everyone suspects that Sw are the next after Planetstrike and my personal guess for the next 3 armies after that are BA, Nids and DE though I'm not sure on the order or the time scale.

And of those 3 the only one that really keeps popping up from reliable sources is Nids. BA is based on a few cyrptic comments from brimstone and the reasoning that Nids are getting an update due to Space Hulk so Ba probably should. DE is based on some low level chatter by guys like Phil Kelly that he is "working on it" which is more than I've heard for necrons, Sisters, Tau or GK.

JohnHwangDD wrote:DE were sidelined ... If they're slow sellers, then those DEsperate armies may have a very long wait ahead of them. When were DE confirmed to be on the schedule? ... they're sometime in the indefinite future...

Give it a rest Hwang! You really are Dakka's own little Holocaust Denier, only replace Holocaust with Dark Eldar. Give it up. How many times do you have to be told? Why are you being so unabashedly obtuse about this... wait... stupid question... you're JohnHwangDD, of course you're being obtuse about it, but still - come on already. DE are coming, they're not far off, they weren't fething "sidelined", and we've had multiple confirmations about their existence from people like Yak and Brimstone (reliable sources if there ever have been any) and from Jes Goodwin himself?

What more do you want?

LunaHound wrote:Space wolves ( or sub anything ) should never get their release same way as full army have.

Archonate wrote: I'm kinda with Elric when it comes to a lack of sympathy for SM players.
I laugh myself to seizures every time somebody says "My DE don't need an update! Their early 3rd Edition codex is solid and competitive!" The only thing that makes their statement funnier is when in the next breath they talk about the sorry state of <insert SM chapter here> and how desperately they need an update. It never stops being funny.

...and what is even funnier is DE players engaging in nerd rage whenever SW rumors pop up

ubermosher wrote:All we need is a sidebar about whether the DE or SW have gone longer without an update and this thread will be complete.

You sir are a prophet

H.B.M.C. wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:DE were sidelined ... If they're slow sellers, then those DEsperate armies may have a very long wait ahead of them. When were DE confirmed to be on the schedule? ... they're sometime in the indefinite future...

Give it a rest Hwang! You really are Dakka's own little Holocaust Denier, only replace Holocaust with Dark Eldar. Give it up. How many times do you have to be told? Why are you being so unabashedly obtuse about this... wait... stupid question... you're JohnHwangDD, of course you're being obtuse about it, but still - come on already. DE are coming, they're not far off, they weren't fething "sidelined", and we've had multiple confirmations about their existence from people like Yak and Brimstone (reliable sources if there ever have been any) and from Jes Goodwin himself?

What more do you want?

Man, I could have swore I read this exact same post word for word like a week ago ...that or I have the most limmited and useless version of prophesy...ever

The ability to predict H.B.M.C and J.H.D.D will argue? Yep, that sounds pretty useless.

Can you really call it an arguement when JHDD never replies to HBMC?

Anyways, I hope some artwork or GS sculpts on the upcoming SW codex starts to leak in the next couple of months

we-we need skaven-skaven...me love-love my skaven.

wyomingfox wrote:Man, I could have swore I read this exact same post word for word like a week ago ...that or I have the most limmited and useless version of prophesy...ever

Nah. Last one was shorter.

lord marcus wrote:we-we need skaven-skaven...me love-love my skaven.

How long's there army book been around?

Actually, while we're on it, which WFB books are the oldest?

Yep, this was a perfectly good thread. And I stess .........was. If the Guard are any indication on positive changes that GW is making then I for one cannot wait for the new SW codex. I have a buddy who lives in England and he plays religiously. Word from him was that Nids were next followed by DE. Not sure who he got this from but he is a real talented painter and plays with some of the GW staff. I know everyone has a buddy who knows/plays with this person or that but I just thought I would add my two whole cents to this lovely thread.

wyomingfox wrote:Can you really call it an arguement when JHDD never replies to HBMC?

I simply don't deign to converse with someone when he has to constantly stoop to ad hominem trolling and name-calling (e.g. "Holocaust Denier").

____

Guys, if DE really are coming, and this time really is different, then *when* are they coming?

At least SW have a date on the calendar (Sep 2009)...

Archonate wrote:Technically Space Wolves are also set for the indefinite future. All we really have are vague whispers on the order in which the next few armies will be released.

This is what I thought I heard out of Games Day this year. That Planetstrike, and some wave 2 stuff was the only 40k stuff on the calendar for the remainder of this year. Can anyone else confirm they heard this?

That would push the SW "rumors" right into DE land.

JohnHwangDD wrote:I simply don't deign to converse with someone when he has to constantly stoop to ad hominem trolling and name-calling (e.g. "Holocaust Denier").

The "Holocaust Denier" thing is the most apt descriptor I can think of. But yes, maybe you're right there. Perhaps I could (should?) have chosen something a little less dramatic... like... you're like someone who still thinks the world is flat, endlessly going on how flat it is when God himself (using God to represent Jes Goodwin in this instance, or even GW as a whole) has set otherwise as have two of his prophets (prophets in this case representing Yak and Brim). You cling like a man on a cliff to that "they've been sidelined" rumour like it was the Gospel-fething-truth, despite so much to the contrary.

Why?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

lord marcus wrote:we-we need skaven-skaven...me love-love my skaven.

How long's there army book been around?

Actually, while we're on it, which WFB books are the oldest?

6th Edition Army Books still in service and in order of printing.
Skaven
Tomb Kings
Beasts of Chaos
Bretonnia
Orge Kingdoms
Wood Elves
Dwarfs

It should be noted that Dwarfs was the last book released before 7th edition, and doesn't need updating yet.

There are also 'Dogs of War' and Kislev, but they were eaten by the 'Nids.

Cruentus wrote:

Archonate wrote:Technically Space Wolves are also set for the indefinite future. All we really have are vague whispers on the order in which the next few armies will be released.

This is what I thought I heard out of Games Day this year. That Planetstrike, and some wave 2 stuff was the only 40k stuff on the calendar for the remainder of this year. Can anyone else confirm they heard this?

That would push the SW "rumors" right into DE land.

SW rumors have always been about as obscure as DE rumors, and neither have a confirmed release date. The only thing anybody agrees on is that SW will most likely come first.

JohnHwangDD wrote:At least SW have a date on the calendar (Sep 2009)...

John, where did you get the date?

wyomingfox wrote:

ubermosher wrote:All we need is a sidebar about whether the DE or SW have gone longer without an update and this thread will be complete.

You sir are a prophet

You didn't need to be Miss Cleo to see this thread become a rehash of previous DE vs SW threads.

wyomingfox wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:At least SW have a date on the calendar (Sep 2009)...

John, where did you get the date?

I've seen this in a couple different places, but the most convenient place to point is BoLS:

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2009/04/40k-rumors-space-wolves-minis_28.html

Whispers on the wind tell us the following:

Space Wolves have two new main sets planned:
-Wolf Guard in Terminator armour.
-Plastic Long Fangs set.

Currently the Grey Hunters and Blood Claws aren't getting much of a makeover; however, there is the high probability of a BT/DA style upgrade box/sprue.

There will also be several new metal figures released.

Continued talk and chatter is gelling around a September release slot for the Sons of Russ.

This follows multiple other SW rumors and sources.

ubermosher wrote:You didn't need to be Miss Cleo to see this thread become a rehash of previous DE vs SW threads.

They are the two codices in highest demand right now and, according to GW, those projects are both in their final stages. SW fans are outraged and foaming at the mouth at having to play with chapter rules from 3rd Edition... NOTHING in 40k should be as old as 3rd ed at this point. And I've never seen so much demand for news as from our DE enthusiasts. In fact there have been so many threads started asking for DE news that the mods have had to repeatedly say "SHUT UP! STOP ASKING ABOUT DE ALREADY!" So they posted a sticky with links to DE threads to curb the influx. I think we're all a little flustered at the way GW drags its feet.

This is from different ideas from various places on the net (i.e. warseer, dakka, BOLS) but is ultimately my speculation.

1. Planetstrike
2. SW
3. Space Hulk with new BA codex + some BA models
4. DE

I'm guessing the Space Hulk launch will be near the Christmas slot - as for the masses, Space Hulk should be easier to get into than mainstream 40k.

DE I think will come out early 2010 - as I don't know about the DE fans but a whole line sculpted by Jes Goodwin is great. The work needed on the DE range is bigger than most other codexes, and the background stuff for DE has gotta take time too. Of course different people say how far along the line DE have been developed.

I'm starting to think that Planetstrike/Space Hulk supplements is going to push 40k army updates further out - as that 50 sprue limit that came out of GD Baltimore surely will be taken up by Stompa kits we've had and the new Planetsrike terrain pieces etc.

Any word on Nids

Based on what Brimstone and others have said, I'd expect Tyranids next year, and before DE. Apparently the two "armies" in the Space Hulk box -- Tyranids and Blood Angels -- will get new codices following the SH release.

Well, if Necrons aren't getting a codex till next year, I might as well put them in storage. I refuse to play them under 5th edition rules because I don't feel like losing every game I play.

well if you lose every time, then you must not know how to play them so far in 5th ed. i have lost 4 games, won 25, and tied 15.

i would love to see a new Necron codex with some new units, not because i can't win, but because the same units get boring after 2 editions. GW needs to get their priorities straight.

(sorry if i misspelled priorities.)

LunaHound wrote:
Space wolves ( or sub anything ) should never get their release same way as full army have.

They should only get minor updates like recent empire items!

GW you are crazyyyy

WHAT !!!!!
the current sw codex is sooo old if you can find one (cos its out of print) it will be writen on parchment with hand drawn "ilumination"

it needs it sooo bad

Elric of Grans wrote:Based on various rumours, my personal speculation is Space Wolves are next, with Sisters at the end of the year. Next year I would imagine Dark Eldar, Grey Knights and Necron, in that order. Pure speculation, but based on a few things floating around.

We do, however, know that Nids are most assuredly not coming any time soon, and Necron are definitely not this year. Anyone who wants Blood Angels can go to hell, as there are far more desperate armies in the wings. 2007 is not that old, when we have armies going back to 2000 still waiting. As a Sisters player, I would be quite satisfied with the White Dwarf treatment you got!

Wait a minute, wait a minute. Did I say that they SHOULD have a new book coming out? Or that they were being shafted? Orcrying about how underpowered my new book is? Or even suggesting what the order SHOULD be?

Maybe you should read whats actually posted before you throw a temper tantrum.

gorgon wrote:Based on what Brimstone and others have said, I'd expect Tyranids next year, and before DE. Apparently the two "armies" in the Space Hulk box -- Tyranids and Blood Angels -- will get new codices following the SH release.

facepalm, rinse, repeat. That would make sense so many different ways, eh?

grizgrin wrote:Wait a minute, wait a minute. Did I say that they SHOULD have a new book coming out? Or that they were being shafted? Orcrying about how underpowered my new book is? Or even suggesting what the order SHOULD be?

Maybe you should read whats actually posted before you throw a temper tantrum.

Er... I would throw all that straight back at you. I was responding to John, not you (there was not even a post of yours to have responded to in that time!), and was in no way throwing a tantrum. I offered speculation, John questioned the logic, so I shared it. Very simple, really. Take a deep breath and remember that we are not all out to get you.

Elric of Grans wrote:
Er... I would throw all that straight back at you. I was responding to John, not you (there was not even a post of yours to have responded to in that time!), and was in no way throwing a tantrum. I offered speculation, John questioned the logic, so I shared it. Very simple, really. Take a deep breath and remember that we are not all out to get you.

Well, if you weren't taking the shot at me I thought you were, then you are right my comment was out of line. However, if you had made a reference to who you were replying to, I would not have done that. Clarity helps. As far as me not having a post for you to reply to; it appeared that you were responding to the post I made directly above the one of yours I quoted in the first place. Clarity is your friend.