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..I haven't picked any of it up, did hear about the latest WTF moment however.
.. Batman wet himself ? ..hhmm... no, not having that. Even that early on in his career.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
..it's just... I know it was early on, and it's a perfectly understandable physical reaction... but... he's Batman, things like that don't happen. He killed Darkseid and survives Quantum Leaping through time. He's amde of sterner stuff than that.
That said...
Spoiler:
that final page with Silver St. Cloud .. might pick the collected edition up, is it worth it in your opinion ?
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
I should preface this by saying that I don't read Batman that often, and I loved the Widening Gyre. It had a great mix of introspective moments and action. I really liked the parts where Batman thought about how things used to be and how things are now. Like when villains used to just steal things and wear funny costumes and now they eat people.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
With Morrison, it's kind of hard to know if he's really adding in that kind of complexity or simply using games as a theme to pull the writing together. I'd be willing to believe either possibility. There certainly DOES seem to be something going on with the repeating game themes.
Of course, it could also all be nonsense in true Lewis Carroll fashion.
I don't know if the Riddler will be the villain in the next Batman film or what actor will be chosen to play him. I do know that if there was a real-life Riddler, he'd be a lot like Grant Morrison.
So regarding Morrison and game theory, I had a look through Return of Bruce Wayne.
Spoiler:
And other than a few passing references -- Hex with a dead man's hand, the roulette wheel and gaming tables in the 1800s Gotham -- I don't see anything as overt as the checkerboard pattern throughout RIP or the dominoes theme throughout B&R. So maybe the RoBW book isn't so much a part of it, if this is really part of some thing across the DC universe.
While we're talking about RoBW...
Spoiler:
...any idea if the "hunter's belt" references are going anywhere? Note that the ship that Thomas Wayne boarded was also the S.S. ORION. They could be just a thematic reference to the utility belt (being an iconic part of the Batman mythology). Or they could be symbolic, with Bruce playing the role of the mythological Orion. That'd have a bunch of implications. Or it could be an actual clue leading somewhere. Personally, I have no idea.
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which God did he "kill"... and who was he prophesised to be killed by eh ?
As to the Return story ; I'm inclined to agree with you, maybe one could add the time loom thing at the end of the universe, it was sort of patterned IIRC. I am wondering though if Bruce himself is being used.. as a pawn ? Maybe a knight...he seems to go forwards and to the side anyway
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
So perhaps the prophecy wasn't literally about Orion the New God, but "an" Orion, i.e. a hunter?
Not sure if any of the Greek myth obviously applies. Wikipedia points out the myth was never properly codified by anyone. So there are a lot of disparate elements.
Seems that Orion was healed by Helios, the sun god. Maybe there's a dotted line there to the "everlasting day" type comments and a suggestion of an end to Bruce's journey? Orion's affair with Artemis could possibly be a dotted line to Wonder Woman (Diana). Maybe a parallel between an egotistical Orion being struck down by a god and an grown-to-be-overconfident Bruce being stuck down by Darkseid?
Although I think I'm really stretching it in all cases.
They had been pushing -- even mentioned it in Blackest Night -- the whole Wonder Woman + Batman romance thing.
I remember reading something ages ago that one of Morrison's ideas had been to have the New Gods die ( as they did) and then have the BIG heroes of the DC universe "ascend" to replace them as the next New Gods, and then there would be a reborn universe with new heroes or, perhaps the next generation stepping up to fill the boots/capes of their evolved forebears.
Like Dick Grayson becoming... Batman.. hmmm feth !
maybe that's what he's been doing all along !
Helios.. the sun God...as in Solar powerd spit curled superhero... who in All Star Superman & the DC 1,000,000 stories lives in the sun and changes it to save humanity. Normally after overthrowing Solaris, the sun tytrant....
Sure is lucky nothings' happened to Wonder Woman recen... oh...hang on...
..holy crap.. are we paranoid or.. maybe...
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
See, that's what I was referring to earlier about Morrison being the Riddler. He'll twist you into knots if you aren't careful. Anything and everything is pretty much in play with him when he starts getting tricky like this. Things can be straight-up, take as you see it or involve something as wacky as the DC universe as AI theory. You just don't know.
The "RIP and Battle for the Cowl" bit are both something a friend of mine said too. I let the guy over at TFAW pick out his favorites and what was kinda big, storyline wise, for me, and he went for those ones.
Even knocked $20 off the overall price, in addition to the discount voucher I had, because he could only find RIP and Battle for the Cowl in hardcover currently in stock.
BOO for the immeense length of time we'll have to wait over here for (any) release.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
..hhmm... no, not having that. Even that early on in his career.
A good point and well made.
