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Iur_tae_mont wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:

Iur_tae_mont wrote:People Ignore Hammerheads when they fail to kill anything. I don't even bother with Disruption Pods on mine anymore. It never gets shot at because it never kills anything.

Yours, maybe. My ionheads are very killy, though, and become priority targets in a hurry.

I call my Hammerhead the S.S Useless for a reason. Over the past like 2 years I've had it, It has always, without fail, rolled nothing but ones no matter the circumstance.

Heh. I call my Land Raider the Faildozer...

My space marines hate Ionheads. So much.

I have a friend who once played Tau and he used his railhead twice, the second time was because he lacked a devilfish. Much more useful, got more kills too...

Terminus wrote:It's not the erroneous labeling of Tau that annoyed me (hell, it aggravates Tau players to no end, so I'm all for it. Ad hominem for life!), but rather the complete and utter lack of understanding about what communism really is. I mean, come on, it's "just too real and present"? How ignorant can you get?

How can you say that? What with the Soviet Union's invasion of Afganistan it's obvious the nations of Europe and Asia will fall to communism like dominos!!!

Yeah how utterly evil! Take the Kroot: They are so subjugated that they can't even work as mercenaries ... wait!

The thing is they don't even realize they have been subjugated, thats how complete the conquest was. The extra mercenary units that the shapers send out is for the survival of the kroot race and greater genetic diversity. If the Tau had the Kroots best interests in heart, you would think they would have taken that into consideration and given them their blessing.

SaintHazard wrote:Actually the Kroot aren't allowed to work as mercenaries. Kroot mercenaries go to lengths to avoid contact with the Tau, lest the Tau find out about it and stomp their guts out for it. Page 17, Codex: Tau Empire, the entire fourth paragraph.

In fact, Kroot aren't allowed to do anything at all other than be bait. Page 12, under "Kauyon - Patient Hunter." Fourth sentence.
(...)
So yeah, if you're going to claim to "bother people with facts," why don't you... oh, I don't know... bother people with facts? Instead of making stuff up off the top of your head?

In fact, I can't help but ask... have you read the Tau codex? You seem to know very little about them, despite having a Kroot avatar and username "Kroothawk."

Well, I missed the parts of the Tau Codex that you invented, like the passage about Tau stomping the guts out of the Kroot and Kroot aren't allowed to do anything but serve as bait (actually this honourable role is often taken by blood pact Tau Warriors, as the bait is meant to always survive!).
Yeah, not finding the parts of the Codex that you obviously invented really deserves all the trolling, thanks
Bad luck for you that I always check the sources and actually read what is written there

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Terminus wrote:It's not the erroneous labeling of Tau that annoyed me (hell, it aggravates Tau players to no end, so I'm all for it. Ad hominem for life!), but rather the complete and utter lack of understanding about what communism really is. I mean, come on, it's "just too real and present"? How ignorant can you get?

How can you say that? What with the Soviet Union's invasion of Afganistan it's obvious the nations of Europe and Asia will fall to communism like dominos!!!

Oh, right. The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, therefore Tau are communists, riiight. Totally convincing

Ratbarf wrote:

Yeah how utterly evil! Take the Kroot: They are so subjugated that they can't even work as mercenaries ... wait!

The thing is they don't even realize they have been subjugated, thats how complete the conquest was.

And the Tau are so damned sneaky with their subjugation that even the designers of the race don't know they subjugate, riiight!

Sometimes, exposing the little tricks of Tau haters is no challenge at all.

Well, I missed the parts of the Tau Codex that you invented, like the passage about Tau stomping the guts out of the Kroot and Kroot aren't allowed to do anything but serve as bait (actually this honourable role is often taken by blood pact Tau Warriors, as the bait is meant to always survive!).
Yeah, not finding the parts of the Codex that you obviously invented really deserves all the trolling, thanks
Bad luck for you that I always check the sources and actually read what is written there

Actually the info is correct but the location was wrong, its from the old Kroot Mercenaries codex.

I hate tau because they look like fish.. And CAPTAIN PLANET!
all mixed in with communist beliefs.

I dislike the frequent communist parallels people dredge up.

For one thing they act more like facists with their internal policies, and secondly there's no massive spank about them desiring equality amongst all the proleteriat.

The Caste system pretty much moots all the Space Commies arguments because Commies don't believe in caste system, they just operate on one...

Ratbarf wrote:

Well, I missed the parts of the Tau Codex that you invented, like the passage about Tau stomping the guts out of the Kroot and Kroot aren't allowed to do anything but serve as bait (actually this honourable role is often taken by blood pact Tau Warriors, as the bait is meant to always survive!).
Yeah, not finding the parts of the Codex that you obviously invented really deserves all the trolling, thanks
Bad luck for you that I always check the sources and actually read what is written there

Actually the info is correct but the location was wrong, its from the old Kroot Mercenaries codex.

Bad luck again, as I read that, too. Only reference is the following sentence:

Their integration into the Tau empire requires them to provide troops to the Tau military, and furthermore attempts to prohibit them from fighting alongside the armies of other races.

"Attempts to prohibit" is not the same as "massacre everyone who does". Even the NATO wouldn't like their soldiers to fight for the enemy (Kroot have worked for Orks, Imperium and Chaos). And the very existence of a Kroot Mercenary Codex proves you wrong.

So if you like to discredit armies with made up stuff, better chose armies that I don't play (i.e. not Tau, Kroot, Eldar, Tyranids, and Inquisition).

And to all Tau=commie posters: Do you really think that the working class which is part of the Earth caste, is the ruling class of the Tau?

Kroothawk wrote:


And to all Tau=commie posters: Do you really think that the working class which is part of the Earth caste, is the ruling class of the Tau?

Yes, the IoM will support the earth caste to take over as primary ruling class

Since we hear that all castes are claimed to be equal, the earth caste would be as much partaking in ruling the Tau than any other.
But we know thats not the case, as a 'working class' would never be the ruling class, not in 40k nor reallife.

So, an 'utopia' without a chance of realisation should disprove anything....

Its entertaining
these attempts to plainly ignore the codex, because the implications have changed from 1st to 2nd.

Kroothawk wrote:

Ratbarf wrote:

Well, I missed the parts of the Tau Codex that you invented, like the passage about Tau stomping the guts out of the Kroot and Kroot aren't allowed to do anything but serve as bait (actually this honourable role is often taken by blood pact Tau Warriors, as the bait is meant to always survive!).
Yeah, not finding the parts of the Codex that you obviously invented really deserves all the trolling, thanks
Bad luck for you that I always check the sources and actually read what is written there

Actually the info is correct but the location was wrong, its from the old Kroot Mercenaries codex.

Bad luck again, as I read that, too. Only reference is the following sentence:

Their integration into the Tau empire requires them to provide troops to the Tau military, and furthermore attempts to prohibit them from fighting alongside the armies of other races.

"Attempts to prohibit" is not the same as "massacre everyone who does". Even the NATO wouldn't like their soldiers to fight for the enemy (Kroot have worked for Orks, Imperium and Chaos). And the very existence of a Kroot Mercenary Codex proves you wrong.

Not really. The Tau doen't acknowledge or approve of the Kroot Mercenary, hence it's existence is a sign of Kroot resistance (or at least a nonchalant atitude towards Tau teachings). "Stomp the Guts out of" is a little strong, but it doesn't equal "Massacre everyone who does". The Tau certainly aren't happy about it, so just what exactly do you think they do in their "attempts" to stop Kroot Mercenaries?

So if you like to discredit armies with made up stuff, better chose armies that I don't play (i.e. not Tau, Kroot, Eldar, Tyranids, and Inquisition).

And to all Tau=commie posters: Do you really think that the working class which is part of the Earth caste, is the ruling class of the Tau?

I haven't actually called Tau Communists, and neither has Saint Hazard. You don't have to be Communist to be a domineering regime, and I find the posts of some users here quite entertaining.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Not really. The Tau doen't acknowledge or approve of the Kroot Mercenary, hence it's existence is a sign of Kroot resistance (or at least a nonchalant atitude towards Tau teachings). "Stomp the Guts out of" is a little strong, but it doesn't equal "Massacre everyone who does". The Tau certainly aren't happy about it, so just what exactly do you think they do in their "attempts" to stop Kroot Mercenaries?

1.) Kroot always worked as mercenaries and used the Warspheres for that when available, before and after the pact with the Tau. They just continue this lifestyle, as it is necessary for the survival of the race. Calling it resistance is missing the point, nonchalance fits better, esp. taking the pragmatical mind set of Kroot into account. And this behavior is obviously common, enough to justify a Codex for this.

2.) The designer notes make it clear that Tau don't subjugate the Kroot, so there is no strict rulership over the Kroot. Even if Tau wanted to subjugate other races, they are simply not enough soldiers to enforce such strict rulership. The Tau Empire is a union of independent planets, linked by a military pact and mutual trading relationships. The Tau are the superior miltary force in that pact, and they often have superior technology and administrative skills, so they are leading this Empire as a whole, but are not interested in ruling every planet in the Empire. "The Greater Good" is not an empty dogma, but the belief that working together in peace is more efficient that fighting each other.

3.) What exactly Tau do when they encounter Kroot mercenaries is pure speculation. Official texts suggest that only few Tau are aware of this, fewer still about the biological necessity (but we know some ARE aware). We only know that the eating of the dead is also not approved but Tau turn a blind eye on that (Codex, "For the Emperor"), so it is probable that fighting for the enemy is prohibited by the pact but enforcement also turns a blind eye. There is absolutely no evidence of animosities between Kroot and Tau, not even between Kroot mercenaries and Tau, on the contrary. Actually being pragmatic, Kroot seem not to hate anyone, they even fight for Orks if the payment is right! So "stomping the guts out" is mere wishful thinking by Tau haters not supported in any way by official sources.

Kroothawk wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:Actually the Kroot aren't allowed to work as mercenaries. Kroot mercenaries go to lengths to avoid contact with the Tau, lest the Tau find out about it and stomp their guts out for it. Page 17, Codex: Tau Empire, the entire fourth paragraph.

In fact, Kroot aren't allowed to do anything at all other than be bait. Page 12, under "Kauyon - Patient Hunter." Fourth sentence.
(...)
So yeah, if you're going to claim to "bother people with facts," why don't you... oh, I don't know... bother people with facts? Instead of making stuff up off the top of your head?

In fact, I can't help but ask... have you read the Tau codex? You seem to know very little about them, despite having a Kroot avatar and username "Kroothawk."

Well, I missed the parts of the Tau Codex that you invented, like the passage about Tau stomping the guts out of the Kroot and Kroot aren't allowed to do anything but serve as bait (actually this honourable role is often taken by blood pact Tau Warriors, as the bait is meant to always survive!).
Yeah, not finding the parts of the Codex that you obviously invented really deserves all the trolling, thanks
Bad luck for you that I always check the sources and actually read what is written there

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Terminus wrote:It's not the erroneous labeling of Tau that annoyed me (hell, it aggravates Tau players to no end, so I'm all for it. Ad hominem for life!), but rather the complete and utter lack of understanding about what communism really is. I mean, come on, it's "just too real and present"? How ignorant can you get?

How can you say that? What with the Soviet Union's invasion of Afganistan it's obvious the nations of Europe and Asia will fall to communism like dominos!!!

Oh, right. The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, therefore Tau are communists, riiight. Totally convincing

Ratbarf wrote:

Yeah how utterly evil! Take the Kroot: They are so subjugated that they can't even work as mercenaries ... wait!

The thing is they don't even realize they have been subjugated, thats how complete the conquest was.

And the Tau are so damned sneaky with their subjugation that even the designers of the race don't know they subjugate, riiight!

Sometimes, exposing the little tricks of Tau haters is no challenge at all.

I was being sarcastic. Obviously the cold war has been over for a decade. I'm the one that gets annoyed when people call the Tau communists.
Anyways, its ridiculus when people make statements like "Tau are the most evil of them all". They are obviously not very well versed in Imperial fluff. The Tau are not using the Kroot. If anything the Kroot are using the Tau. They are more widespread galactically than the Tau and they don't believe in the greater good. They just hang with the Tau because it gives them more opportunities to eat people.

KamikazeCanuck wrote: They just hang with the Tau because it gives them more opportunities to eat people.

Gotta love that political system. "Who can we ally so we get more noms? Fish people with lasers or green people with rough axes?"
The answer?
Both!
Just don't let the fish people know that you're getting noms from other people. They'd be so jealous.

"The Greater Good" is not an empty dogma, but the belief that working together in peace is more efficient that fighting each other.

In the Kroot squad blurb from the 3rd edition codex (the black one) it says that they provide a "useful contrast to their more technologically dependent masters" and also "the kroot are afforded virtually the same level as respect as a Tau" that does not imply equality, but subserviance to a superior power.

Also from the blurb about expansion "most of these willingly became members of the Tau empire" which again would imply that those races who did not wish to become members were forced into it.

And from the 4th Edition codex on contact with humanity, "Though the more passionate leaders of the Fire Caste called for a war of conquest, the Ethereal issued their instructions for the integration of the human imperium into the Tau empire." Again, they don't exactly sound like friendly do gooding neighbours. That they are always made out to be.

Also as to how the Ethereal caste rules the Tau, "From the Council of the Highest, orders and edicts are sent out across the region, orders that are followed without question, for the Ethereal caste leaders who order them are reveared by countless billions, and their wisdom is without doubt." More and more these people remind of a very Autocratic Agressive people who can only see the use of someone if they control them directly.

Kroothawk wrote:[
1.) Kroot always worked as mercenaries and used the Warspheres for that when available, before and after the pact with the Tau. They just continue this lifestyle, as it is necessary for the survival of the race. Calling it resistance is missing the point, nonchalance fits better, esp. taking the pragmatical mind set of Kroot into account. And this behavior is obviously common, enough to justify a Codex for this.

Yes.

2.) The designer notes make it clear that Tau don't subjugate the Kroot, so there is no strict rulership over the Kroot. Even if Tau wanted to subjugate other races, they are simply not enough soldiers to enforce such strict rulership. The Tau Empire is a union of independent planets, linked by a military pact and mutual trading relationships. The Tau are the superior miltary force in that pact, By far and they often have superior technology and administrative skills, so they are leading this Empire as a whole, but are not interested in ruling every planet in the Empire Hmmm. "The Greater Good" is not an empty dogma, but the belief that working together in peace is more efficient that fighting each other.

3.) What exactly Tau do when they encounter Kroot mercenaries is pure speculation. Official texts suggest that only few Tau are aware of this, fewer still about the biological necessity (but we know some ARE aware). We only know that the eating of the dead is also not approved but Tau turn a blind eye on that (Codex, "For the Emperor") Are these two sources?, so it is probable that fighting for the enemy is prohibited by the pact but enforcement also turns a blind eye. There is absolutely no evidence of animosities between Kroot and Tau, not even between Kroot mercenaries and Tau, on the contrary. Actually being pragmatic, Kroot seem not to hate anyone, they even fight for Orks if the payment is right! So "stomping the guts out" is mere wishful thinking by Tau haters not supported in any way by official sources.

First you claim that what happens between Tau who encounter Kroot mercenaries is pure speculation, then you claim that Tau just turn a blind eye to it. Don't contradict yourself. There is also the interesting point of who Kroot Mercenaries would be willing to fight against. If hired by the Imperium (for a reasonable price) would Kroot be willing to get into grips with Tau? There's no evidence to suggest anything either way, but there isn't any canon stating that Kroot Mercenaries can't fight against a Tau army.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Obviously the cold war has been over for a decade.

Two decades.

Kroothawk wrote:
3.) What exactly Tau do when they encounter Kroot mercenaries is pure speculation. Official texts suggest that only few Tau are aware of this, fewer still about the biological necessity (but we know some ARE aware). We only know that the eating of the dead is also not approved but Tau turn a blind eye on that (Codex, "For the Emperor"), so it is probable that fighting for the enemy is prohibited by the pact but enforcement also turns a blind eye. There is absolutely no evidence of animosities between Kroot and Tau, not even between Kroot mercenaries and Tau, on the contrary. Actually being pragmatic, Kroot seem not to hate anyone, they even fight for Orks if the payment is right! So "stomping the guts out" is mere wishful thinking by Tau haters not supported in any way by official sources.

And really, if you think about it, whole idea that Tau would be ignorant of Kroot mercenaries is pretty daft. I mean, I can just imagine some Water Caste envoy going to meet Kroot Master Shaper and ask some hard questions:

Envoy: "Hey, we have noticed that you are sending awful lot of Warspheres full of your warriors all across the Galaxy. What are you doing with them?"

<long pause>

Master Shaper: "Nothing".

Envoy: "Oh, all right then... Hey wait a minute...why did it take so long from you to come up with that answer??"

<long pause>

Master Shaper: "No reason."

Envoy: "Hmmm...OK, I guess everything's okay then..."

Emperors Faithful wrote:First you claim that what happens between Tau who encounter Kroot mercenaries is pure speculation, then you claim that Tau just turn a blind eye to it. Don't contradict yourself.

First I say that it is pure speculation, then I speculate based on what I think likely. Clear now?

Emperors Faithful wrote:There is also the interesting point of who Kroot Mercenaries would be willing to fight against. If hired by the Imperium (for a reasonable price) would Kroot be willing to get into grips with Tau? There's no evidence to suggest anything either way, but there isn't any canon stating that Kroot Mercenaries can't fight against a Tau army.

Kroot are mercenaries, but they have a home world within the Tau Empire protected by the Tau. Tau died to protect Kroot and Kroot appreciate that. Kroot wouldn't harm their homeworld by risking a war with Tau.

@Ratbarf:
1.) The same 3rd edition squad blurb says that they are honoured and rewarded as deserved by loyal citizens of the Tau Empire. You certainly must have forgotten that bit about citizenship Happens all the time in Tau threads! Besides, one Kroot was general in the Tau Empire army.

2.) So Ethereals avoided a civil war among Tau (old Mont'au times) and oppose a war against the Imperium. Yeah, totally reminds me of aggressive people. That's why these ultra-brutal monsters are called spiritual leaders, space pope and their "wisdom is without doubt". Pressing the Tau to subjugate everyone even without their designers being aware of it! Cruel bastards

@Backfire: Good summary of pages 10-12 of the first Tau Codex

Vene wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Obviously the cold war has been over for a decade.

Two decades.

right, sorry bout that.

Kroothawk wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:First you claim that what happens between Tau who encounter Kroot mercenaries is pure speculation, then you claim that Tau just turn a blind eye to it. Don't contradict yourself.

First I say that it is pure speculation, then I speculate based on what I think likely. Clear now?

You said "Evidence points to", not exactly speculation. But yeah, doesn't really matter.

Emperors Faithful wrote:There is also the interesting point of who Kroot Mercenaries would be willing to fight against. If hired by the Imperium (for a reasonable price) would Kroot be willing to get into grips with Tau? There's no evidence to suggest anything either way, but there isn't any canon stating that Kroot Mercenaries can't fight against a Tau army.

Kroot are mercenaries, but they have a home world within the Tau Empire protected by the Tau. Tau died to protect Kroot and Kroot appreciate that. Kroot wouldn't harm their homeworld by risking a war with Tau.

So...the Mercenaries are held at ransom by the Tau presence on their Home Planet? You're also assuming that a Mercernarie's goals will always ultimately coincide with that of their homeland, I'm sure there are a few Kroot that honestly wouldn't be bothered.

@Ratbarf:
1.) The same 3rd edition squad blurb says that they are honoured and rewarded as deserved by loyal citizens of the Tau Empire. You certainly must have forgotten that bit about citizenship Happens all the time in Tau threads! Besides, one Kroot was general in the Tau Empire army.

Really? I have honestly never heard of this.

2.) So Ethereals avoided a civil war among Tau (old Mont'au times) and oppose a war against the Imperium. Yeah, totally reminds me of aggressive people. That's why these ultra-brutal monsters are called spiritual leaders, space pope and their "wisdom is without doubt". Pressing the Tau to subjugate everyone even without their designers being aware of it! Cruel bastards

Well, they ended a Civil War. And they didn't actually oppose a War against the Imperium, they just didn't agree with the Fire Caste's brilliant idea of CLEANSE BURN KILL! Subversion works.

Emperors Faithful wrote:So...the Mercenaries are held at ransom by the Tau presence on their Home Planet? You're also assuming that a Mercernarie's goals will always ultimately coincide with that of their homeland, I'm sure there are a few Kroot that honestly wouldn't be bothered.

The mercenaries do their job only to secure the survival of their race on Pech, and they return to Pech regularly to enhance the gene pool. Pech lives in peace guaranteed by Tau. Not killing the people who just gave their lives to safe you and keep on protecting you is pragmatic. Wanting to kill our savior and start a war just because you can is more a human thing

Emperors Faithful wrote:

@Ratbarf:
1.) The same 3rd edition squad blurb says that they are honoured and rewarded as deserved by loyal citizens of the Tau Empire. You certainly must have forgotten that bit about citizenship Happens all the time in Tau threads! Besides, one Kroot was general in the Tau Empire army.

Really? I have honestly never heard of this.

Read the first Tau Codex, Kroot unit entry, flavour text, last sentence, just down from the passage Ratbarf referred to.
That all members of the Tau Empire are considered citizens is not surprising, as it repeats the fluff about not subjugating, of respect and mutual benefiting peaceful relationships that characterize the Tau Empire.

Kroothawk wrote:("Damn liberal Hindu anime commie nazis led by a pope, curse those peace loving fish-cow-men doing massacres and genocides all the time")

going in the sig

Just out of curiosity I wonder how many people on this post actually know what a communistic government is or if they think it's bad just because all they got from their history classes was "Communism is bad, we fought communists which means it's bad. Hate communism without knowing anything about it." I mean it's obvious some people don't but still it's surprising how many people are all like "Their space commies that look like fish". Really? I'd love to see how the Tau look like fish in any possible way.

As far as the Kroot go the Tau Empire probably does know about the mercenaries. But since there hasen't been anything stated that the Tau actively hunt down these bands and destroy them I think it can be safe to say that the Tau just choose to ignore it. Considering that not all of the races in the Tau Empire serve a combat role and of those that do it is likely that not every single member of that race fights in Tau armies. Which means that they will be off doing other things throughout the Empire and the Tau probably don't keep tabs on everyone all the time just to make sure they're doing what they want.

The Tau are ignorantly trustfull (necron incident), and while they may not appreciate the full abilities of their auxiliaries and instead focus on what the Tau like that dosen't mean those "unliked" traits are forcefully stopped. The Kroot habit of eating the dead (both their own and the enemies) is disliked and discouraged by the Tau but there is nothing in fluff saying that the Tau forcefully try to stop the Kroot from doing this.

i have no hate for the tau. second favorite army. i just thought that was funny. also, you guys sound like the nfl.com posters....


STEELERS WILL WIN!
NO STEELERS SUCK GIANTS WILL WIN!
NO GIANTS SUCK STEELERS WILL WIN!
etc...

The thing that gets me is that this topic comes up often and always turns into discussions on communism. Haters gonna hate, players gonna play.

Personally, I could care less what someone else thinks of the army I've chosen to play and if they're dumb enough to be so violently opposed to the existance of a fictional bunch of plastic army men....all I can do is pity them.

First to qualify, I don't hate the Tau, I actually used to play them, that's why I have several of the Codex's, I don't think they are communists, at least not along the true sense of the political movement as described by Karl Marx and that other fellow whose name I can never remember. Though I do similiarities in regime style to that of Stalinist Russia.

1.) The same 3rd edition squad blurb says that they are honoured and rewarded as deserved by loyal citizens of the Tau Empire. You certainly must have forgotten that bit about citizenship Happens all the time in Tau threads! Besides, one Kroot was general in the Tau Empire army.

While I did actually read that part I didn't feel like quoting it. What I quote and do not quote is my discretion, but as to the "honoured as loyal citizens" this could be taken in many different ways. For instance I am incredibly sure that the Kazahks who fought for the USSR were "afforded a level of respect virtually the same as a Russian" a government which will sacrifice the lives of hundreds of thousands of its own people to forward it's expansionists aims will gladly afford another race the honour of dieing for them. A similar parallel can also be drawn from the Chinese who starved during Mao's Cultural revolution, as they were honoured citizens loyal to the Chinese party, it doesn't mean at all that they respected their basic needs as living beings or even that they cared as long as it was assumed to be for the greater good.

The last thing to point out is that if you read the Tau codex as if it was written from a propagandist view by the Tau Empire it's a lot easier to envision the "Everyone loves the Greater Good, and the Space Pope is only out for betterment of all!" Big Brother kind of feel.

I don't hate the Tau. Once I am done with my Eldar army, I will be starting a Tau army (already started on Kroot and Pathfinders ) The Tau are just about perfect for my playstyle, and I hope they work out well for me.

What I find truly amusing is people actually fighting about the fine details of a hastily written, poorly edited, and rather inconsistent backstory meant to sell toy soldiers. The details of my Tau and my Kroot are very different from yours, I am sure. My Kroot Mercenary Vulture Kindreds don't even grow wings, they use jump packs gifted or bought from their employers. It's a game, and it is whatever I, or you, or the next guy choose to make it.

So please, let's agree to disagree on the details of the fluff, and go back to bashing on the rules. After all, the fight's the thing

Kroothawk wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:So...the Mercenaries are held at ransom by the Tau presence on their Home Planet? You're also assuming that a Mercernarie's goals will always ultimately coincide with that of their homeland, I'm sure there are a few Kroot that honestly wouldn't be bothered.

The mercenaries do their job only to secure the survival of their race on Pech, and they return to Pech regularly to enhance the gene pool. Pech lives in peace guaranteed by Tau. Not killing the people who just gave their lives to safe you and keep on protecting you is pragmatic. Wanting to kill our savior and start a war just because you can is more a human thing

Kroot Mercenaries are mercenaries. Their culture, the need for an extended gene pool, inherently drives them to that vocation but they are mercenaries nonetheless and aren't getting paid in enemy corpes. Their employer pays them through other ways; tech, weaponry, even coinage maybe. Everybody has a price, especially Mercenaries. It's not hard to imagine them trying to pull something off if they thought it would be worth it. And hey, who knows what wonders a good bit of Tau will do for the Gene Pool?

Also:

Pech lives in peace guaranteed by Tau

That all members of the Tau Empire are considered citizens is not surprising, as it repeats the fluff about not subjugating, of respect and mutual benefiting peaceful relationships that characterize the Tau Empire.

1) Kroothawk, are you honestly telling me that the Tau have never subjugated anyone?
2) Even so, subjugation doesn't necessarily mean you don't have to treat the conquered as Second Class citizens. There are pleny of instances in history that demonstrate the annexed populace being integrated as equal citizens, and plenty that don't.

Tau Empire is Best Empire!!!





Anyway, do we need a reason to hate the Tau? Can't just hate them because they're Tau?