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I would love a hardcover limited edition GK codex. However, I would never buy a HC codex for an army I was not playing.

As has been said, if they do start HCs, hopefully they offer a soft cover as well. This will give army players a little something extra special while allowing the casual reader/new player accessibility.

Misguidance wrote:

Ahtman wrote:I also think the other problem is that we know that eventually this expensive book will be out of date and useless in game.

This has never stopped anyone who plays Dungeons and Dragons. (Though admittedly, the turnover of D&D books is a lot slower than GW.)

I still think this is a lot of fuss over nothing, but hay-ho, wouldn't be the internet if it wasn't.

Actually it has. Most folks will buy at discounts only with the books. 20-25 even 30 dollars, depending on the book, will get bought more often. Whne the books are 35-45 it gets looked at hard. I almost never buy a $50 RPG book. Or at least one that hasnt been discounted back down to $40 with 20% off. There was only one book I have ever paid cover price for for RPG's and that was Ptolus at $119. But that book is worth now 200-300. But it was worth for more then its price tag.

warboss wrote:Out of curiosity, mikhalia, if a customer bought a book from you, would you allow them to use a pirated copy on a digital device in store simply for convience as long as they had their physical copy handy?

I judge those pretty much on a case by case basis. Somone looking up something on a small handheld device is pretty un-noticable. If they own the codex and it's in their case, then pretty harmless as far as I'm concerned. Then there's the guy that came in, and ran a 20 foot cord over to an outlet so he could have his laptop on the table to look at his PDF's.) Besides people tripping over the cord, he was a blatant advertisement for illegal downloads.

One person looking up something, np. One person blatantly showing a store full of teenagers how to download stuff and not pay for it, Big Problem.)

Mo

I pick up every codex and army book as they are released. Anything under $50 US isn't much of a big deal in my opinion, they already run $30 US so 10-20 more isn't a huge deal. Especially if they move closer to the quality of the Imperial Armor books. More Fluff, more color pictures, more rules in a hard back sounds great to me.

Do people really think that the last couple of FW books (Especially IA 8 and 9) are less quality per dollar than the last few army books? How many people are just waiting to preorder Warhammer Forge's first book? I could understand that the cost is prohibitive if we got more than a handful of books a year, but one book at most every other month isn't that bad.

I don't remember hearing anyone complain about the warmachine books being $45 US for a hardback, (35. for softback). Am I misremembering them, I just recall how awesome it was that they put out a book a month. Battlefront hardbacks are $50+ US.

I think a hardback gaming book at $50 sounds about right.


On the PDF front, I wish GW wasn't such a group of Luddites where the Internet is concerned, they have such a small internet pressence for a game company (Seriously, why no Forums?). I would love it they did something like Disney does with digital content. Disney Bluray DVD's also come with a normal DVD (For the kids room or the car) and digital copy on another disk. Tron Legacy 3d is even coming with a 3d DVD, a Bluray, a normal DVD and a digital DVD, every format in one case. A code in a codex or armybook to allow a digital pdf download would be excellent, but I don't think it'll ever happen, GW fears piracy too much and will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the digital and E reader market.

It seems to be that half of the people in this forum are OK with getting more "stuff" - because that 13th picture of an 'eavy metal plain jane black ork regiment (with blue shirts this time!) and the 5th random history page consisting of two columns of some flavor of "1234 Imperial - Some waagh went and killed a city. City retaliated but they all died" is really awesome to them.

And half of the peole in this thread already thought the copy + paste art that consumed several pages, the fluff that is typically forgettable after the first read, and the stock box art shots of a painted unit were already not worth the price, and wanted less (for less $) to begin with.

I think it's fairly simple. With the advent of the internet, Army Builder and other various programs....there is no point in GW trying to actively sell rules. People that want rules, will only buy them if forced (The tournament they are attending demands original copies). Then there is those that will buy each codex just for the fluff/artwork regardless of the rules. So, why doesn't GW;

Offer a bare bones PDF that has NOTHING but rules. A summary sheet, a skill summary sheet (Instead of referring to page # in the codex, just refer to the skill) and a FOC with unit cost. Drives people to your site, make them sign up, etc.

Offer a full color, fluff crammed codex at a higher price.

Draw people in with free rules, if they fall in love with the army they'll buy the damn codex anyways just for the fluff. If they don't like it...they'll drop the army, download another codex rule set and start planning a new one...

oh man they will look cool but money, oh they want more????

BrassScorpion wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Some people are having bad luck with their codexes. All my codexes are fine.

It depends when you purchased yours. GW changed binders when the current Dark Elf army book was released. Every book released between that one and Warriors of Chaos had the falling apart problem with a fair percentage of the books in those releases. After that, things seemed to improve greatly.

I've purchased codexes between 2003 and last year -- the new Tyranids was my last. I've had ten codexes over that time and they were all fine.

I had maybe a half dozen returned to me with bad bindings out of the 1000 or so I sold in the last 5 years. I just handed people a new one off the shelf. Then GW sent me another copy two days later.

This is something to gripe about?

AgeOfEgos wrote:I think it's fairly simple. With the advent of the internet, Army Builder and other various programs....there is no point in GW trying to actively sell rules. People that want rules, will only buy them if forced (The tournament they are attending demands original copies). Then there is those that will buy each codex just for the fluff/artwork regardless of the rules. So, why doesn't GW;

Offer a bare bones PDF that has NOTHING but rules. A summary sheet, a skill summary sheet (Instead of referring to page # in the codex, just refer to the skill) and a FOC with unit cost. Drives people to your site, make them sign up, etc.

Offer a full color, fluff crammed codex at a higher price.

Draw people in with free rules, if they fall in love with the army they'll buy the damn codex anyways just for the fluff. If they don't like it...they'll drop the army, download another codex rule set and start planning a new one...

good point, but GW sees the internet as a passing fad that is best ignored and/or destroyed

aka_mythos wrote:

Just Dave wrote:
To me, it's an IF 'til there's evidence. Or as is so commonly said on Dakka; "pics or it didn't happen."

This is the most absurd thing I've ever heard. I guess this is what happens when there are education budget cuts and people learn history from picture books and tv... nothing existed before 1839

No, this is currently a rumours thread. There is so far, no solid evidence of Hardback being the case; just someone being told by someone else. I'm simply saying that I'm not latching onto this idea until I see some actual evidence for it.
This is the internet, lots of crap gets passed around on here and suggested; there was a whole freakin' thread made up of fake rumours before so I'm being sceptical.
It's not going to surprise me in the slightest if there is a hardcover book, I'm just not going to fully believe it until I see some actual evidence.
It seems that these apparent education cuts and learning solely from picture books and tv has left me with little but logic and scepticism...


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Personally, the biggest problem for me with having a hardcover would be increased price and impracticality. I don't particularly care for the additional content, as that's what I'll go to Black Library for and I can't imagine that GW would fill it with conversion ideas or methods on modelling your own terrain like they used to.
One of the advantages of the softcover is its size and practicality.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440004a&prodId=prod1120031a

it is hardback.. @ $37.25, and full colour.

This, indeed ALL the WFB army books will be hardback from now on.

That's amusing, just this morning, I had a package in the post, with some hardcover "Forces of" Warmachine books. Hardcover, full color, with good paper. That's some beautiful books really, even prettier than the recent FoW stuff. I put them on my shelves next to my recent 5th ed codexes, and thought the GW stuff was really looking cheap these days.
A couple of hours later, I see the next WFB army book in preview, hardcover, full color.

Looks like GW is learning faster than people give them credit for if you ask me...

Quite possibly.. go figure.

With this now having shown to be not quite accurate,and with there being a new thread with the pre order stuff on it, I'm going to lock this now.