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NO
No
No no no

We already pay $50 here and I am not paying something like $75-95 AU for an army book/codex just cos its hard cover.
If they do that I'm just gonna have to find other, perfectly legal, ways of acquiring these without spending an unreasonable amount of money.

Man, with those prices, I don't even understand why you Aussie guys play 40k (unless the typical income is double what it is in the U.S.; for all I know, it might be). If I lived in Aussie & absolutely burned to play 40k I'd do up some paper mini conversions in Photoshop or something & print 'em out.

While I understand and share in the anger that news of an even more expensive army book or codex range elicits from Dakka users, please let me remind you that DakkaDakka is not the appropriate forum for discussing your plans to steal or otherwise abuse the IP of GW or of any other person or legal entity. Please leave that kind of talk for some other part of the internet. Failure to respect this simple request could result in suspension of your account.

yakface wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote: When were all Codices hardbacks? 40k2 was all softbacks. Unless you're thinking of a time when Codex books weren't actually called "Codex" thus-and-such, but rather went by arcane names like "Realms of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness". But even then, a lot of the contemporary books were softbacks, like the Compendium and Vehicle Manual. Can you clarify?

Yeah, I was talking about Rogue Trader, where the equivalent to what has become a codex was hardback. Of course they ever only got around to making the two Chaos books and the Ork books (never did make a Space Marine book...oh how times have changed!). The WD compilation books were indeed softcover but you have to imagine that if they had ever gotten to making a SM or Eldar book back then they would have done them in hard back because that was their deal way back when.

Ahh... Thanks for clarifying.

Personally, I think Forgeworld already does an excellent job of covering that market of premium, large format, hardback Codices which aren't "Codex" books.

I wonder how much of a test bed those Heraldry books were?

I'm sorry if it has come up but are there any rumors as to having more colour throughout?

Manchu wrote:I'm sorry if it has come up but are there any rumors as to having more colour throughout?

*gasp*

That's racist!

I kid. Having more color photos and artwork would make me consider more of
these purchases. I have plenty of "ooh pretty" rulebooks for games that I have
never played.

When it comes to RPGs, I have plenty of ugly books that I have paid as much or more for than a Codex. I hope GW is stepping it up to Privateer Press's standards. Say what you will about their miniatures, they print a fine looking book.

Manchu wrote:I'm sorry if it has come up but are there any rumors as to having more colour throughout?

Yes, I think the *rumor* was that the O&G army book is full color.

That is a relief to hear. I only own a half dozen or so army books but I like the art as well as most of the 40k stuff and it's a bit of a drag to see all that fantastic stuff in b&w.

Manchu wrote:I hope GW is stepping it up to Privateer Press's standards. Say what you will about their miniatures, they print a fine looking book.

I say them miniatures is damn fine!

What koolaid?

I'm going to go ahead a delete this. ~Manchu

I really hope this rumour isn't true.

I don't want hardback codexes. Apart from the prohibitive expense, they are heavier to lug around.

malfred wrote:What koolaid?

Everybody's thirsty, people just like different flavors.

Kilkrazy wrote:I really hope this rumour isn't true.

I don't want hardback codexes. Apart from the prohibitive expense, they are heavier to lug around.

as a D&D nerd I have to throw out a hardback or two isnt hard to pack around(especially given current codex sizes), if you are carrying a poo load of codex's well I have to say you are probably doing it wrong

Old men, let us go back in time... Once upon a time ALL figs in the GW line were plastic... then they went to lead and the public grumbled... then they went to pewter because someone's kid grew a 3rd eye, Jervis went to dinner and spit him out and we grumbled. This book is no different, it is either a collector piece which I welcome or a change in format which has worked out fairly well so far. Sure the prices have gone up, but what hasn't. Do I hope ALL GW books are released in some e-format sure, will I be shocked when they move farther down the premium line... no. Either way I think people will do as they have done as America has stopped speaking with their wallet. Personally as my last position was as a production director for a major printer, I tip my cap to GW, the margin is nice on this move and people will buy it or do what they have done regardless. Maybe the books will stand up to the punishment and the fluff will be more uhhhh solid? A nice 20 page story about Orc's and Goblin's would be nice.

"People of Fantasy! I bring you 3..."



"...2 army books in the coming year!"

Uktabi wrote:Old men, let us go back in time... Once upon a time ALL figs in the GW line were plastic...

Nnno. Citadel began with lead miniatures, plastics came later.

Are there any possible other reasons for this change?

Could hard-cover books be cheaper for them to produce (for whatever reason)?

Quality is apparently an issue with the softcovers.

I am thinking that they can get more profit from hardback than softback, though I think long run softback would still be better due to how softbacks decay from use

H.B.M.C. wrote:Are there any possible other reasons for this change?

Could hard-cover books be cheaper for them to produce (for whatever reason)?

Profit margins are higher.

Assuming people will actually pay for them.

Well, this would be the final nail in the GW coffin for me. Unless it's a compilation codex, with all of the marine lists, or all the IoM non-marine lists in one book, there's no reason to push the price to $50. Full color really isn't that impressive in this day and age.

Guildsman wrote: Full color really isn't that impressive in this day and age.

And even if it were, that's not what I'm looking for in a codex. The pictures are the last thing I worry about when I buy a codex. If I want an artbook, I'll buy an artbook. If I want pictures of nicely painted models, I'll go to Coolminiornot or look at the Dakka Galleries.

Manchu wrote:While I understand and share in the anger that news of an even more expensive army book or codex range elicits from Dakka users, please let me remind you that DakkaDakka is not the appropriate forum for discussing your plans to steal or otherwise abuse the IP of GW or of any other person or legal entity. Please leave that kind of talk for some other part of the internet. Failure to respect this simple request could result in suspension of your account.

Hey man, can you clarify: Which post(s) are you referring to? I hope not mine, as I didn't at all recommend abusing the IP of GW! Just making your own paper minis to play with their rules...

Agree entirely Fafnir. At least there needs to be an option.
The colour pics in the current army books are adverts by any other name you care to choose.

Off to find out if there is any connection between the expressions, "being fleeced" and" having the the wool pulled over your eyes".

baaa humbug

For once, I have a reason to be happy I chose to play Beastmen! We lost a lot of rules, we lost a lot of units, got a ton of crappy figures, but at least it will probably be another decade before I have to buy a more expensive rulebook!

Hopefully this isn't true and GW stop and think before making such a move. However, given past actions and precedent, they probably won't...

filbert wrote:Hopefully this isn't true and GW stop and think before making such a move. However, given past actions and precedent, they probably won't...

If it is true, I hope to get a good Dark Eldar / Space Wolf decade of use out of each Codex before I have to buy a new one!

You can't please everyone.

What I would like is for GW to release two editions of each book.

One would be the Full Monty, with oodles of fluff, colour pics, hard cover and all that, priced at say £30 to £50 depending on thickness.

The second would be the stripped down version, no fluff, no colour, soft cover, A5 size. Priced at £10.

Basically to follow the example set by the AoBR rulebook and the BGB.