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Just Dave wrote:I think IF there is a hardback...

I think there is no 'IF' anymore, I'd say it's confirmed by multiple sources.

@Gr3y: Needless to say, I disagree. But we can save it for another thread.

Alpharius wrote:Current rumor says increased price + bells and whistles are for Army Books only... for now!

40K stays 'as is'...

Makes sense when you consider what people claim are the relative demographics.

UltraPrime wrote:

Just Dave wrote:I think IF there is a hardback...

I think there is no 'IF' anymore, I'd say it's confirmed by multiple sources.

To me, it's an IF 'til there's evidence. Or as is so commonly said on Dakka; "pics or it didn't happen."

SkaerKrow wrote:Tell me, where in my post, that I said anything about thinking that GW was about to die.

All I said is that GW drying up wouldn't kill (or significantly hurt in the long run) the gaming industry, as GW is becoming increasingly a part of its own separate industry from everyone else.

I didnt say you did. I was responding to your comments about how great a job other companies are doing compared to GW. I think GW has been it's own industry since White Dwarf stopped including other games systems.

For me hardback would be ok, as long as there put together properly.

I have some forgeworld Imperial Armour books and they are fantastic quality, unlike my latest codexes. The Space Marine one lasted all of one week, before the binding started to come apart.

But still I would have to cut down to carrying perhaps two codexs instead of the usual five to six I used to bring to a game.

Anyways it could be a trail to see how much we buy. GW has always looked on itself as apart from the rest of the gaming industry, hasn't it?

Some people are having bad luck with their codexes.

All my codexes are fine.

Kilkrazy wrote:Some people are having bad luck with their codexes. All my codexes are fine.

It depends when you purchased yours. GW changed binders when the current Dark Elf army book was released. Every book released between that one and Warriors of Chaos had the falling apart problem with a fair percentage of the books in those releases. After that, things seemed to improve greatly.

My Daemonhunters codex is falling apart. And it wasn't really used roughly either. Just poorly bound. My Ork, Eldar, and Blood Angels codeci are doing just fine though.

Alpharius wrote:Current rumor says increased price + bells and whistles are for Army Books only... for now!

40K stays 'as is'...

Thank goodness I only have 1 Fantasy Army. We'll see if I like it enough to spend $40+ on an Army Book.

All of my codexes are fine.. the only book I ever had fall apart was the old original Necromunda rulebook, cuz we played the poop outta that game.

I'm liking the hardback idea more and more. I think it'll make the books more collectable in a way, but I know i won't want to be carrying around all that extra weight just to play a game :( The size of the new WFB rulebook is really the only reason I got the Island of Blood, so I could have the minibook to carry around to games.

The only book I had fall apart was my Rogue Trader hardback. Was helt together with cellotape. But it did see alot of use.

I cannot but shake my head at this.
At the current exchange rate that is £25 for an army book.

GW could charge twenty bucks for a jar of pickled farts and people would nod and say that seems reasonable.

Oh but they are the Porsche of pickled farts.
good grief

JohnHwangDD wrote:Thank goodness I only have 1 Fantasy Army. We'll see if I like it enough to spend $40+ on an Army Book.

You'll never get to spend that $40+. Dogs of War aren't getting a new armybook.

If new army books start costing 40-50 dollars I won't think twice about [Mod Edit - Please think twice about advocating that here on Dakka Dakka - it is frowned upon. Severely. Thanks!] I've gotten around shelling out for the hardback book thanks to the last two editions having the small sized books inside the boxed sets.

I might not mind paying 40-50 dollars for an army book IF every unit were represented with a model kit at the time of release. That would be a nice compromise in my opinion.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Current rumor says increased price + bells and whistles are for Army Books only... for now!

40K stays 'as is'...

Thank goodness I only have 1 Fantasy Army. We'll see if I like it enough to spend $40+ on an Army Book.

Same here!

I've already sold off quite a bit, and I'm only sticking with Empire and Chaos (Warriors).

Though I imagine Chaos will be even more expensive this time around, as GW realizes the error of its ways and allows Warriors, Daemons and Beasts to intermingle again...

I wonder if this change'll be like when White Dwarf went from slimline to ultra-fat, back just before Issue 200. The price doubled, but so did the page count... but ever so slowly, over the course of about 30-35 issues, it returned to its original size, but the price stayed the same.

So will we see a return to soft-back in two or three years, but the price remains hard-cover?

I think that if it is 'successful' what we'll see is page counts about what we have now, with prices +25% to what we have now.

So, yes, that would not be considered a success for gamers, but for GW.

In a way, it reminds me of the current comic book market - trying to sell to a diminishing base of customers, so prices go up, etc.

In that case Alpha shouldn't the comic book business remind you of GW, given that GW have been doing pretty much just that for 10+ years now?

So nothing but a guess at the price I imagine?

Hardbacks are ok considering fantasy just got a new edition. However, given GW's track record of piss poor army books it's a bit of a stretch. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the FAQ for the soon to be release O&G is already done and ready to be posted online the day its launched!

I also highly doubt we'll see 40k hardbacks until well after the next edition as no one in their right mind would bother buying one when it would be outdated by the end of the year with a new rulebook.

GW simply has too short a recycle time to warrant these imo. It's not like other systems where you could go a decade without a core rules update.

Just Dave wrote:
To me, it's an IF 'til there's evidence. Or as is so commonly said on Dakka; "pics or it didn't happen."

This is the most absurd thing I've ever heard. I guess this is what happens when there are education budget cuts and people learn history from picture books and tv... nothing existed before 1839.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:I cannot but shake my head at this.
At the current exchange rate that is £25 for an army book.

GW could charge twenty bucks for a jar of pickled farts and people would nod and say that seems reasonable.

The book hasn't even been previewed let alone released. Criticizing it by drawing parallels to flatulence seems soooooo much more reasonable.

90% of the post are "if they do something to improve the content, it could end up being worth the extra cost" that isn't just some autonomous nod and pay. Its people reserving judgment.

Alpharius wrote:I think that if it is 'successful' what we'll see is page counts about what we have now, with prices +25% to what we have now.

So, yes, that would not be considered a success for gamers, but for GW.

you just described the latest price raise on most codexes of about $5 with no further gain like increased page count or color page spreads to be had...

Yeah, I did, didn't I?

Yikes!

People still buy them ? About every player I see at my FLGS have ones scanned from the net I believe.

shinzuer wrote:People still buy them ? About every player I see at my FLGS have ones scanned from the net I believe.

If that store owner allows that in his/her store, they are killing their own sales. The material may not have been stolen off their shelves, but it effectively takes sales away from them by allowing people to use questionably copied material in their store.

shinzuer wrote:People still buy them ? About every player I see at my FLGS have ones scanned from the net I believe.

I pity your FLGS then.

Prices for the book and the other orc releases will be up on the web on Wednesday. Book will not be 50.00, according to my sales rep. Should have about 40 additional pages. I'll have my copy this week and will be able to confirm.

I hope that this is just some ones idea of a bad joke.

Honestly, before I start running around saying the sky is falling, I'd like the book in my hands before passing any serious real judgment. I know it's easy to want to bag on GW on stuff like this, but I'm not seeing the doom, yet.

mikhaila wrote:I'll have the new orc and goblin book in my hands about Wed/Thursday. They are shipping in this weeks 'Black Box'.

My sales rep confirmed that it was a hardcover. I didn't ask the price though. I'll post when it gets here.

I seriously doubt the 50 dollar price, my guess is 30 or 35. We'll see.

$50 is NEVER going to fly with the majority of folks. Not for an army book. PP's faction book hardcover is what, $42? And the hardcover for soething like Legends, while roughly the same as the O&G book, but there is a hell of alot more in it then a GW book.

$50 will kill any chance of cross buying army books. $35 is even too steep for a GW hardcover army book. Given how many I have from 5th, 6th....not 7th as it eased up, 25-30 is too much for the softcovers.

Aka
you are missing the point.
Even if there is improved content (and what exactly would that be) is a deluxe army book necessary?
Yet 90% of the people posting would still be prepared to buy into it?

Shelf life 4-5 years
Have two other WHFB armies
Still yet to get an 8th ed rulebook
£75 if the rumours of $40 are correct and subsequent books are similar
Looking like £16 for an IoB rule book off ebay.
plus what I have already paid for the current army books.
plus the books for 40k
baaaaa
When I got into WHFB no one was available to me at that time to tell me this would be the deal. If they had I would have said stuff that for a game of toy soldiers.

I thought most people would see the imagery as humorous and absurd. Sorry if it missed the mark.
I do realise criticising GW on dakka can be like farting in pig farm but it can't be helped.

better out than in.

BrassScorpion wrote:

shinzuer wrote:People still buy them ? About every player I see at my FLGS have ones scanned from the net I believe.

If that store owner allows that in his/her store, they are killing their own sales. The material may not have been stolen off their shelves, but it effectively takes sales away from them by allowing people to use questionably copied material in their store.

agreed. that owner would be an idiot if they allowed it openly instead of insisting on players having a phsyical copy and the players would be unabashedly rude to ask if they could do so without buying it first. i don't have a moral problem with downloading in general but if you *actually* play an army and want your game/store/company to stay in business, buy the book! i've never criticised someone for pirating it just to look it over but i'm firmly against not buying one when you actually have an army for it. i traded for a nid codex recently (thanks swap shop!) to use with my alien-nid army. i didn't really play them much but i felt like i couldn't use just the army builder roster sheet for them once i properly based them for 40k. i'm co-gming a deathwatch campaign and currently am trying to *not so subtely* influence the other GM to buy the core book instead of using the pirated version in store. if he's got the physical (especially if bought from the store we play at), i'd have no problem with him using the digital version instead on the tabletop.

Out of curiosity, mikhalia, if a customer bought a book from you, would you allow them to use a pirated copy on a digital device in store simply for convience as long as they had their physical copy handy?

That sounds like it would be trouble to track, warboss.