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Or just print in color a lot of the artwork that was orginially in color but was greyed to print in black and white.

Kilkrazy wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:...

In all fairness GW's shown what a hardbound $50+ rulebook looks like... the core rulebook. So chances are they'll raise the production value and have less pages than that.

Yes.

What worries me is that I decided not to buy any more BGBs. They are too expensive and heavy for what I want from the game.

I'll pay $50 USD for a hardback rulebook, like the 40k rulebook and WFB7. No problem.

At $75 USD, I'm not buying the WFB 8E book. It's too heavy and bulky for easy carrying , along with being too expensive. But I sure don't want to lug the fluff and painting stuff around. If this were a 2-volume hardbound set in a slipcover, or included the mini-book, I'd consider it.

aka_mythos wrote:Or just print in color a lot of the artwork that was orginially in color but was greyed to print in black and white.

OR maybe Turnerize all the grey stuff.

JohnHwangDD wrote:I'll pay $50 USD for a hardback rulebook, like the 40k rulebook and WFB7. No problem.

At $75 USD, I'm not buying the WFB 8E book. It's too heavy and bulky for easy carrying , along with being too expensive. But I sure don't want to lug the fluff and painting stuff around. If this were a 2-volume hardbound set in a slipcover, or included the mini-book, I'd consider it.

yeesh, is that what the 8e WHFB big book retails at?? i know it was big and beautiful from a casual glance but there's only so much i'm willing to spend on a book with planned 5 year obsolescence. if the 6e 40k book is going that way, i'd bow out and just wait for the starter mini book to hit my local store (they split starters and sell them individually). the only reason i picked up the deathwatch book ($60 MSRP) is that i got a crazy deal on it from barnes and noble.

JohnHwangDD wrote:At $75 USD, I'm not buying the WFB 8E book. It's too heavy and bulky for easy carrying , along with being too expensive. But I sure don't want to lug the fluff and painting stuff around. If this were a 2-volume hardbound set in a slipcover, or included the mini-book, I'd consider it.

Thats actually a really good idea.

Its reading topics like this one that i wonder: how GW still survives in the modern market? As a starter im really thinking about stop my collection right now and going for other game line (warmachines and Kings of Wars seens nice). I just stick with GW because i like Sci-Fi and their 40k scenario is cool, and that is why i will never play WFB, at least with those ulgy GW oficial models...

Bloodwin wrote:

SkaerKrow wrote:Gamers will be gamers, regardless of whether or not GW is in business or Warhammer/40k is actively supported.

So how is it that Rackham went down the tubes and Privateer Press have had to make an announcement about supply and demand and Wizards of the Coast have stopped making D&D minis? I'm not a GW apologist but I don't think they are at any risk at all. Perhaps when all their retail outlets are shut down I might worry but given the number of retail outlets they have in the UK it doesn't look like they are in any great danger of disappearing overnight.

I also realise that haters are gonna hate whatever GW do.

Honestly?
Rackham had a catastrophic migration to a new edition of their flagship game. They also switched from baller pewter figs to (admittedly really nice) pre-paints that alienated the hobby crowd. Then they were bought/sold to a company that decided table top games aren't what they want to to do. Bye bye Rackham.

PP gambled their company on the MKII rule set and won. In a way it's the exact opposite of what went down with Confrontation. Old players came back, new players are joining up at a much higher than anticipated rate, and as a result PP merchandise (especially Hordes) is moving at a rate where no-one has time to sit on it, meaning that stores are having to go through 3 or more distributors just to not sell out. PP is so damn busy keeping the Warmahordes stuff flowing they've had to abandon/shelve other projects to cannibalize manpower.

WotC has some very strict metrics for their games. D&D minis, like Dreamblade, that boat card game, and a vast number of has been and neverwases they've done before, failed to meet those metrics. Combined with the fact that a solid chunk of their purchases were probably for people who wanted the minis for regular D&D (rather than the mini game) and it's pretty clear why that game got orphaned. They're still making the figs, they've just shifted their focus on to what was probably their core audience all along.

GW isn't exactly hurting, but they're not really thriving either. I think they're going to wind up closing a bunch of stores, not this year (where they're apparently planning on opening a grip), but next when they realize the additional overhead from those outlets is eating into their margins rather than contributing to them.

A big price hike to a needed rulebook, without a viable alternative like a cheaper crunch only version or a discounted ebook isn't going to do them any favors. In fact it's going to hurt the crap out of them if it fails as they're going to have to admit that they did something wrong, which isn't something they like to do.

They need to go digital. I would love to be able to carry multiple codex on my tablet/laptop ... legally.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Its reading topics like this one that i wonder: how GW still survives in the modern market?

By virtue of proportion of market, it has an effective monopoly on a niche market that has shown an inelastic demand for its products. Facing little competition, it can set its prices to the point where they'd see decline in sales revenue.

"Turnerize "

Ok now you are talking
I am sold on the idea

not sure it would sit well with the grimdark 40K crowd though!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:"Turnerize "

Ok now you are talking
I am sold on the idea

not sure it would sit well with the grimdark 40K crowd though!

Surely you mean:

Bloodwin wrote:So how is it that Rackham went down the tubes and Privateer Press have had to make an announcement about supply and demand and Wizards of the Coast have stopped making D&D minis? I'm not a GW apologist but I don't think they are at any risk at all. Perhaps when all their retail outlets are shut down I might worry but given the number of retail outlets they have in the UK it doesn't look like they are in any great danger of disappearing overnight.

I also realise that haters are gonna hate whatever GW do.

Tell me, where in my post, that I said anything about thinking that GW was about to die.

All I said is that GW drying up wouldn't kill (or significantly hurt in the long run) the gaming industry, as GW is becoming increasingly a part of its own separate industry from everyone else.

No Silver
That is Turner Prize not "Turnerize"

I wouldn't mind a hardcover book, but $50.00 is a little much. Codex sized books in hard back from other gaming companies usually run $29.99. Just look at D&D 4E for example. A $50.00 colour rulebook from a game like Pathfinder runs over 500 pages.

Now all this is strange because typical codexes are already $30.00, paperback, and mostly in B&W.

Just another case of GW charging more than the other guy because they can.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:No Silver
That is Turner Prize not "Turnerize"

Yeah, and the process of turning crap into apparently highly regarded and expensive crap is called Turnerization

IE: "I'm going to Turnerize this bed"

I have an interesting thought...

What if GW is trying to compete with (wait... LOL) Mantic and their free rules for Kings of War by offering free PDF's for the codices and army books that only contain rules, stats and points. Making the hard back a collectors item for included fluff and art.

Doubtful, but maybe... Just maybe.

Games Workshop does not even know what competition is, let alone how to do it competently.

So many knickers so tightly twisted over a so far unsubstantiated rumour.

It's like the Daily Mail.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:As a starter im really thinking about stop my collection right now and going for other game line (warmachines and Kings of Wars seens nice).

You won't save a dime, my friend.

Well it is hardback Mr M but somehow doubt that the price will retain parity with the current edition. No mention of the price, but a taste of what is to come.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?s=533866ef67e3efde4b911a5b998a14e4&t=292189&page=10
We can live in hope.

Sorry if this has already appeared in the rumours thread.
I claim no authenticity for the statement so please no salt tossing.

Manchu wrote:

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:As a starter im really thinking about stop my collection right now and going for other game line (warmachines and Kings of Wars seens nice).

You won't save a dime, my friend.

Yeah, but after being continually taken advantage of by an old mistress, it's sometimes better to go find a new one where the novelty outweighs the abuse

Manchu wrote:

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:As a starter im really thinking about stop my collection right now and going for other game line (warmachines and Kings of Wars seens nice).

You won't save a dime, my friend.

Yes and no. While you can spend just as much on Warmahordes (and probably Kings of War once they get going) your money goes further. A standard sized Warmahordes army is going to run around two hundo ('merican!). From there... well you will just keep going but you still spent less to get started.

In the long run the games will still cost you boku dollars, but a thousand bucks of Warmahordes gives you "more" than a thousand of GW product.

While a thousand dollars of Mantic will give you everything they've made to date and probably a few shares of private stock.

Edit: Just saw this on Warseer:

Armybook: 29,50€. All current armybooks are 22,75€. That's a 30% increase in price to a 50% increase in volume, + hardcover + full color. Very fair to me.

Assuming they do a straight conversion it looks like it'll be about $40.

Gr3y wrote:

Armybook: 29,50€. All current armybooks are 22,75€. That's a 30% increase in price to a 50% increase in volume, + hardcover + full color. Very fair to me.

Assuming they do a straight conversion it looks like it'll be about $40.

So the price point seems to be $40, up from $30 for the current book.

The next question is whether or not this is a one-off or the new norm.

Anyone seen a price point or format info for the Grey Knights book?

Gr3y wrote:While a thousand dollars of Mantic will give you everything they've made to date and probably a few shares of private stock.

Lordy, $1000 of Mantic? That would be one towering stack of sprues...

Gr3y wrote:Edit: Just saw this on Warseer:

Armybook: 29,50€. All current armybooks are 22,75€. That's a 30% increase in price to a 50% increase in volume, + hardcover + full color. Very fair to me.

Assuming they do a straight conversion it looks like it'll be about $40.

Yikes... $40 for a book? For some perspective, that's more then the current generation of Dungeons and Dragons hardcovers, and those are some very meaty tomes.

I still do wonder if it will be a limited edition hardcover for nutters like me.

they should do two, one wonderful full of colour pictures, battlereports and campaigns to play, hardcover, the other thin and just barebones. As if people can't afford it they just will torrent it.

If it's anything like the quality of the big rulebook, it's not a bad price at all.

Much more interested in the contents though...

At $40-$50... I see it a big leap to expect GW to go from the 108pg format to anywhere near the 300+pg the core rulebook has. The smallest books FFG has in hardback are 144 pages, just like the marine codex and are $40 a piece. My guess is that will be the template for the size/cost/production value.

Personally, I don't think there will be just a Hardback.

I think IF there is a hardback, there will also be a normal Army Book available.

I have no evidence other than 'logic' to base this upon however, it's simply my speculation. However, I'm subscribing to this thread to see what really happens...

Current rumor says increased price + bells and whistles are for Army Books only... for now!

40K stays 'as is'...