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JohnHwangDD wrote:At $20, I bought a lot of Codices. Nearly all of them for 3E.

Then GW bumped the price to $25. For me, softcovers at $25 are a stretch. And I cut back to buying maybe half of them.

Right now, I might pay $5 extra for a hardcover, so my upper price point is $30. The content simply isn't there to justify paying more. And even then, I'd wait until I was really sure I wanted one.

At $50 for a hardcover, no thanks. I'll wait to buy used or on deep discount. If anything, I'll tighten down my Codex buying even further.

This.

At $15 and $20 in 3rd and 4th ed, I bought basically every codex.

Nowadays I slowly acquire them, and am not even trying to have a complete collection anymore. I lost my SM codex a couple of months ago and just couldn't justify buying another one; until I got a $25 gift certificate from a tournament this last weekend.

At $50 I'd only buy the codex I need for whatever army I'm playing currently.

I also think the other problem is that we know that eventually this expensive book will be out of date and useless in game.

they increase the prices further I will just pirate the codex and put it in a binder

Ahtman wrote:I also think the other problem is that we know that eventually this expensive book will be out of date and useless in game.

This has never stopped anyone who plays Dungeons and Dragons. (Though admittedly, the turnover of D&D books is a lot slower than GW.)

I still think this is a lot of fuss over nothing, but hay-ho, wouldn't be the internet if it wasn't.

Misguidance wrote:

Ahtman wrote:I also think the other problem is that we know that eventually this expensive book will be out of date and useless in game.

This has never stopped anyone who plays Dungeons and Dragons. (Though admittedly, the turnover of D&D books is a lot slower than GW.)

I still think this is a lot of fuss over nothing, but hay-ho, wouldn't be the internet if it wasn't.

The majority of my D&D books are on pdf

Maybe GW are wanting to move towards paper rulebooks as a premium product with PDF books for kindle/iPads as the standard product. Or maybe it's just business as usual at the GW price rise dept.

Well, just think of it this way: If they increase prices to such rediculous prices, I'll finally have enough reason to save up and invest in a printer.

George Spiggott wrote:Maybe GW are wanting to move towards paper rulebooks as a premium product with PDF books for kindle/iPads as the standard product. Or maybe it's just business as usual at the GW price rise dept.

This is what I hope for as well. I have every codex and rulebook scanned and on my ipad and although I still buy every codex (mainly because I want continue to own every 40K rulebook ever made) I think less and less people are. I know GW has been terribly afraid to embrace technology for their products but we have seen a few cracks in that dam recently...most notably Black Library's excursions into ebooks has possibly convinced GW that the model can work?

If they start creating full color hardback books for their armies and then also offering rules only PDFs for all armies, then the people who really want to collect the codexes/army books will pick them up for the fantastic production value (full color, etc) and everyone else can just grab the PDFs to peruse the rules.

I really think that would be the best of both worlds and I PRAY that this once GW is ready to try something interesting and new.


BTW, I can't help but mention that there *was* a time when all codexes were hardback...of course there were a lot less armies back then as well!

I look forward to hearing GW's official statement on this with great interest. Will this turn out to be a 'collectors edition' or the only one offered? And will this be a precursor to some sort of electronic version as well? Or will this just be a further move towards GW making their entire range a completely 'premium' purchase?

We should know soon enough!


Ultimately though, even if the books are $50, they're still only releasing 3 of them a year now...so I wouldn't bat an eye picking up every codex released even at $50 if the cost came with a really nice product.

CT GAMER wrote:

Cryonicleech wrote:I'm somewhat dismayed at the immediately negative reaction here. $50 buck is terrible, without a doubt, and I too would cease to buy any codex/army book if the company was to make a move that slowed, but isn't this just speculation/a rumor? I mean, it's not been confirmed as far as I'm aware...

All I'm saying is that GW should get the hate when it's confirmed, not when it's speculation...

Then people shouldn't post things until they are confirmed.

The OP did ask what people thought.

This is a discussion forum.

What part don't you get?

The part where people are grumbling about it as if it's actually already happened...

I'm not saying "don't say your opinion" I'm saying "Remember it's a rumor..."

I don't believe that I said no one would buy it becuase of that reason, just that it is a factor. You go in knowing it will be outdated, sure, but there is a difference between paying $20 dollars for a disposable book and $50 dollars for one.

Also just becuase we know people will shell out the cash for a given thing doesn't make it a good buy.

Fafnir wrote:

Remember, this is Games Workshop we're talking about. Pants on head slowed is their specialty.

Straight up sigged.

yakface wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:Maybe GW are wanting to move towards paper rulebooks as a premium product with PDF books for kindle/iPads as the standard product. Or maybe it's just business as usual at the GW price rise dept.

This is what I hope for as well.

BTW, I can't help but mention that there *was* a time when all codexes were hardback...of course there were a lot less armies back then as well!

Or, they could stay the course and sell the $20 to $25 softbacks that we are OK with...

When were all Codices hardbacks? 40k2 was all softbacks. Unless you're thinking of a time when Codex books weren't actually called "Codex" thus-and-such, but rather went by arcane names like "Realms of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness". But even then, a lot of the contemporary books were softbacks, like the Compendium and Vehicle Manual. Can you clarify?

People are grumbling because it may happen.
I distictly remember qualifying my grump with the caveat.

However, experience with GW provides reasonable grounds to expect them to pull this crazy stunt

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

mikhaila wrote:I'll have the new orc and goblin book in my hands about Wed/Thursday. They are shipping in this weeks 'Black Box'.

My sales rep confirmed that it was a hardcover. I didn't ask the price though. I'll post when it gets here.

I seriously doubt the 50 dollar price, my guess is 30 or 35. We'll see.

Thanks! I really, seriously hope I'm wrong and we all have a good laugh about this.

Or perhaps it will be GW who will have the last laugh "KID" Kyoto.

Ha! Ha!

Haaa!


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JohnHwangDD wrote:

yakface wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:Maybe GW are wanting to move towards paper rulebooks as a premium product with PDF books for kindle/iPads as the standard product. Or maybe it's just business as usual at the GW price rise dept.

This is what I hope for as well.

BTW, I can't help but mention that there *was* a time when all codexes were hardback...of course there were a lot less armies back then as well!

Or, they could stay the course and sell the $20 to $25 softbacks that we are OK with...

When were all Codices hardbacks? 40k2 was all softbacks. Unless you're thinking of a time when Codex books weren't actually called "Codex" thus-and-such, but rather went by arcane names like "Realms of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness". But even then, a lot of the contemporary books were softbacks, like the Compendium and Vehicle Manual. Can you clarify?

Mik's post mentions hardback, but not price. That one he's also still guessing at.

Not against PDF but not wanting to buy a kindle just to play Warhammer so I hope the hardcopy won't be premium.

Could someone at GW please look up the word accessible please?

yakface wrote:BTW, I can't help but mention that there *was* a time when all codexes were hardback...of course there were a lot less armies back then as well!

Really? My Rogue Trader and 2nd edition books were mostly softback.

I really wish I had your faith regarding future PDFs in the near future but It is worth noting that GW have already made steps in this area with the two Inquisition books, where those two codices that were unlikely to sell out their print run were published on their website.

The Warhammer 40K rulebook, $96
Apocalypse Expansion book, $95
Space Marine Codex, $50
Tau, Necron, Black Templars Codex, $33
All other Codexs, $48

If I was paying that much for a book that was going to be well read, I would want a copy that has a cover that can withstand some damage.

The cost of Warhammer in Australia is rediculous and I haven't even mentioned the cost fo the models

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Not against PDF but not wanting to buy a kindle just to play Warhammer so I hope the hardcopy won't be premium.

Could someone at GW please look up the word accessible please?

Well y'know what you won't find there, games that require $300-$1000 of minis + 10s of hours of painting just to play a friendly game.

GW never said they were making mass market accessible games, they're not Magic the Gathering or Heroclix, they think of themselves as the Cadillac of games.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Not against PDF but not wanting to buy a kindle just to play Warhammer so I hope the hardcopy won't be premium.

Could someone at GW please look up the word accessible please?

Well y'know what you won't find there, games that require $300-$1000 of minis + 10s of hours of painting just to play a friendly game.

GW never said they were making mass market accessible games, they're not Magic the Gathering or Heroclix, they think of themselves as the Cadillac of games.

Next time I want a cadillac.

Sorry I didn't realise one had to be true blue blood aristocracy to play plastic soldier games.
*doffs cap, tugs forskin*

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Not against PDF but not wanting to buy a kindle just to play Warhammer so I hope the hardcopy won't be premium.

Could someone at GW please look up the word accessible please?

Well y'know what you won't find there, games that require $300-$1000 of minis + 10s of hours of painting just to play a friendly game.

GW never said they were making mass market accessible games, they're not Magic the Gathering or Heroclix, they think of themselves as the Cadillac of games.

And my Grand Am can keep on thinking it's a Bugatti Veyron, but it's still a Grand Am.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:GW never said they were making mass market accessible games, they're not Magic the Gathering or Heroclix, they think of themselves as the Cadillac of games.

That may have been true 10-15 years ago, when Caddy was down in the dumps selling rebadged Chevies.

Caddy's come a long way, and is legitimately much better now.

GW, not so much, especially when you factor price.

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Or, they could stay the course and sell the $20 to $25 softbacks that we are OK with...

When were all Codices hardbacks? 40k2 was all softbacks. Unless you're thinking of a time when Codex books weren't actually called "Codex" thus-and-such, but rather went by arcane names like "Realms of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness". But even then, a lot of the contemporary books were softbacks, like the Compendium and Vehicle Manual. Can you clarify?

Yeah, I was talking about Rogue Trader, where the equivalent to what has become a codex was hardback. Of course they ever only got around to making the two Chaos books and the Ork books (never did make a Space Marine book...oh how times have changed!). The WD compilation books were indeed softcover but you have to imagine that if they had ever gotten to making a SM or Eldar book back then they would have done them in hard back because that was their deal way back when.

I would pay $50.00 for a hardback codex if the following highly unlikely things were to happen:

1/. Decent fluff in your codex that makes YOUR army look good, not the imperium (unless you are buying an Imperial codex..).

2/. Legally sufficient, waterproof rules that have been subjected to a room full of rabid raw-wranglers and came out unscathed and unwarped to impossible pretzels of 'logic'.

3/. AWESOME art, preferably not by Jon Blanche. If it Blanche art, at least let it be good art, not some funky Dali daydream with too many spiky crennelations.

4/. Balanced codex, of equivilent potency to all other $50.00 codecii that come out before or after it.

5/. If the codex contains any new units, they will have a model released at the same time as the codex.


I think that'd do me well enough to want to buy it.


*edited for dyslexia.*

Capt. Rex wrote:The Warhammer 40K rulebook, $96
Apocalypse Expansion book, $95
Space Marine Codex, $50
Tau, Necron, Black Templars Codex, $33
All other Codexs, $48

If I was paying that much for a book that was going to be well read, I would want a copy that has a cover that can withstand some damage.

The cost of Warhammer in Australia is rediculous and I haven't even mentioned the cost fo the models

I'm confused. What are you trying to say? Are those $ you list USD? Or Australian?

If USD, that's way off,

and if Australian, that's fething ridiculous, unless AD are about 40% USD.

Full colour hardcover books with alll new art and great design, along with a significant page count increase are worth paying $50 for - imo.

I did this with D&D supplements for years.

It seems they'd make so much more money by making all these books e-books. Hardback books....really????

GW is facing huge competition from other companies and this is what their marketing guys can come up with to try and earn more money??!?!?!?!? Who really thinks this is a good idea?

Yet another reason I can't be bothered with Fantasy.

Hans Chung-Otterson wrote:

Capt. Rex wrote:The Warhammer 40K rulebook, $96
Apocalypse Expansion book, $95
Space Marine Codex, $50
Tau, Necron, Black Templars Codex, $33
All other Codexs, $48

If I was paying that much for a book that was going to be well read, I would want a copy that has a cover that can withstand some damage.

The cost of Warhammer in Australia is rediculous and I haven't even mentioned the cost fo the models

I'm confused. What are you trying to say? Are those $ you list USD? Or Australian?

If USD, that's way off,

and if Australian, that's fething ridiculous, unless AD are about 40% USD.

They are all Australian prices. The cost of the models are even more ridiculous then the actual books need to play.

Sorry but full colour Army Books that change every 5 years would be too much unless there is also a cheaper softback option.

Especially when there are several armies to get books for.

Am seeing what is going on here you nefarious Nottingham swindlers!!.
GW start rumour: O&G army book $50
Release it at $37.50
Everyone says hmm not as bad as expected.
then buy said book.

Capt. Rex wrote:

Hans Chung-Otterson wrote:

Capt. Rex wrote:The Warhammer 40K rulebook, $96
Apocalypse Expansion book, $95
Space Marine Codex, $50
Tau, Necron, Black Templars Codex, $33
All other Codexs, $48

If I was paying that much for a book that was going to be well read, I would want a copy that has a cover that can withstand some damage.

The cost of Warhammer in Australia is rediculous and I haven't even mentioned the cost fo the models

I'm confused. What are you trying to say? Are those $ you list USD? Or Australian?

If USD, that's way off,

and if Australian, that's fething ridiculous, unless AD are about 40% USD.

They are all Australian prices. The cost of the models are even more ridiculous then the actual books need to play.

Sorry. When I see the dollar sign ($) I have a hard time reading it as anything but USD, and maybe Canadian dollars. Is that also the symbol for Australian dollars?

BTW, I looked up the conversion: it looks like the Aussie dollar is actually doing BETTER than the U.S. dollar, meaning that $98 rulebook is like $100 USD! I never would've touched 40k this last November if that'd been the price...Jay-sis.