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Plenty of evidence in the HH books.

Actully people why are we arguing about is orks are dumb or not. definatly remember in one of the codex saying some orgyns are nearly as stupid as ork. Doesn't that say it all? they are stupid. And if you say they are intelligent but they just too lazy and too focused on war.

So does that mean a person who is too lazy to study and too busy with games is intellegent? NO because he didn't bother learning so is more stupid than someone who did study.

intelligence is knowlage and creativity and orks don't have any. All they know is how to cut people up, maybe some ork warboss are quite clever in the war department but not orks in general.

Intelligence is itself poorly defined, but Orks certainly aren't lacking in it. They lack in book learning, but that's fine, as they're biological war machines anyway.

There are a lot of people who are more intelligent than I, yet have far, far less book learning. There are a lot of people who are far less intelligent than I, yet are vastly more educated. Book learning only helps you apply your intelligence, it doesn't MAKE you intelligent.

" intelligence is knowlage and creativity and orks don't have any. All they know is how to cut people up, maybe some ork warboss are quite clever in the war department but not orks in general. "


Orks are quite creative. Your average ordinary ork boy, possibly not, but what other race has developed man-portable ordinance wormhole cannon?

Most IG are probably not all that creative. SM generally aren't, as they are indoctrinated from recruitment to follow the BIg Blue Book written by Guilleman (and not to question it). Some chapters are more creative in this regard.

As to knowledge, orks have all the knowledge they need to do what they do. WHy would they need to know (for example) the history of the Eldar race to prosecute a Waaagh?

some orks can read, it is in the ork codex under komandoes "some can even read" so they have some book smarts.. even if is is just see spot run

but yea orks are... orks they are plenty intelligent just on the subject of war. and how to make war/ get to more war, just means they are focused

I can build a house from the ground up, pull the permits and get it all done which some might say takes intelligence or some might say takes is learning the right subjects... but i can't tailror my own cloths... does that mean I'm dumb because i can't sew or does it mean I would rather put my energy in a different subject?

Gork and Mork, bashing everywun is cool.
and Chuck Norris. he is my hero. I wanna be old, half naked and kicking every 1!

Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle, and Chuck Norris

The 5th chaos god: Chuck Norris!

Amanax wrote:Ynnead.

He is destined to kill Slaanesh (Who killed Khaine...) So he's stronger than both of them by that logic.

His powers could well be limitless upon awaking. o_O

What the Eldar don't seem to realise about this is Slaanesh eats their souls. How will a god made of their souls defeat Slaanesh? They hope that he will, but considering when Slaanesh was born, it ate most of the Eldar civilization, created the Eye of Terror, killed one of their gods, frightened away another and shattered a third into pieces, it seems unlikely that he will be able to defeat She Who Thirsts, especially now that there's a Chaos Legion fuelling him.

Slaannesh and Ynnead are evenly matched at best for the Eldar, and it is said in the Chaos codex that Khorne is currently stronger than Slaanesh. So, Khorne, fuelled by the anger of a galaxy. Tzeentch might beat him through trickery though.

He cant. Imperium defends their lines. With war. Now, that feeds him. He can only be less powerfull if the whole universe becomes hippie.

Probably just me being a f@~king Xenos, but I've got to go for Khaine. Technically he's not, being beaten by Khorne, but he was taken by suprise and weakened before hand. Also, imagine an army of Avatars, all joining together into one collosal being. Nasty.

Nightwalker wrote:Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle, and Chuck Norris

thenoobbomb wrote:The 5th chaos god: Chuck Norris!

thenoobbomb wrote:and Chuck Norris. he is my hero. I wanna be old, half naked and kicking every 1!

*sigh* Am I the only one who can't wait till Chuck Norris finally roundhouse kicks the bucket, so the world can finally forget all about him and his fundamentalist crusade?

Rampage wrote:

zzaxle wrote:The Emperor of Man.

If you can control an entire empire of people, whilst only having function of your brain. You're the best in my eyes

Actually, the High Lords of Terra are the main dudes in the day to day running of the Imperium whilst the Emperor is stuck on the Golden Throne (IIRC).

I wholeheartedly believe that the emperor has a great influence on their actions ^^

And i wholeheartedly believe that he's a withered corpse that is quite literally out of his head, if he's still there at all..

Wasn't there a number of rather dubious High Lords of Terra in the timeline, that were basically betraying the Imperium until dealt with? Was he influencing them too?

I'll need to check my rulebook, as my fluff brain is on sabbatical today.

@Cottonjaw, I don't think the tyranids invading would strengthen Tzeentch. Tzeentch is a sneaky, schemy, conspiratorial embodiment of change, the tyranids are simply destruction...

As a devotee of Chaos Undivided, I have been informed that Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle, and Slaanesh are all in the Warp Bahamans. Currently they are letting their Greater Daemons try the slaughtering, schemimg ,etc. They have been informed by Bob the Herald that they are not yet rulers of the galaxy and will soon return in full Ha-wain shirt glory, and will immediately purchase some Bug Spray from the Warp Store (where the deals are so great, the owners must be insane!). They shall soon arrive back to their proper place as rulers of the galaxy and will have a press conference with free tea and biscuits for anyone who shows up. Meanwhilte, you bugs, greenskins, pointy eared humanoids, and just plain humanoids should enjoy your time in the sun, since the Chaos Gods certainly are at the moment *drum snare* since when they get back, the galaxy will go through some serious redecorating.


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Also who is the Void Dragon?

he is a necron star god who is impersonating as the machine spirit

Or to put it a more accurately, the machine spirit is impersonating him. He was there first

quite true,
isnt he in the center of Mars or something?

Noctis Labyrinth, an underground complex on mars that has been sealed but not destroyed.

Close enough

I was so tempted to answer with, "whoever Matt Ward says," but I went with the Emperor of Man.

Durza wrote:

Amanax wrote:Ynnead.

He is destined to kill Slaanesh (Who killed Khaine...) So he's stronger than both of them by that logic.

His powers could well be limitless upon awaking. o_O

What the Eldar don't seem to realise about this is Slaanesh eats their souls. How will a god made of their souls defeat Slaanesh?

Because the fluff says so:

'...a new Eldar God grows in power - Ynnead, God of the Dead. They believe that when every last Eldar has died in the final days, Ynnead will awaken and have strength enough to defeat Slaanesh forever.'

I know it says 'believe', but considering that this includes Eldrad Ulthran it's probably true.

I see your point, but there are probably more souls in the Infinaty ciruits than there were consumed by Slaanesh, and so the extra souls would give Ynnead a bit of a boost.

Compare the number of souls on the Eldar planets Slaanesh ate to the number of craftworlds and their relatively small populations. Slaanesh is getting boosted by the followers killing, torturing and orgying for it as well though. Unless the last battle is another 10000 years away (which seems unlikely) I don't think Ynnead will win. Either way, Khorne will probably kill the winner once they're weakened by the battle.

Rampage wrote:

I see your point, but there are probably more souls in the Infinaty ciruits than there were consumed by Slaanesh, and so the extra souls would give Ynnead a bit of a boost.

Well you seem to forget that Slaanesh also Nom Nom Noms on DE souls if they don't feel enough sensation...

Durza wrote:Compare the number of souls on the Eldar planets Slaanesh ate to the number of craftworlds and their relatively small populations. Slaanesh is getting boosted by the followers killing, torturing and orgying for it as well though. Unless the last battle is another 10000 years away (which seems unlikely) I don't think Ynnead will win. Either way, Khorne will probably kill the winner once they're weakened by the battle.

I see your point about Slaanesh being boosted by her followers, but If the fluff backs up her defeat it is probably true. But yes, I suppose that it is quite likely that Khorne will kill the winner, but this really depends on how much more Ynnead is spawned with, and whether he absorbs Slaaneshs power like Slaanesh absorbed the power of the Eldar Gods.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Rampage wrote:

I see your point, but there are probably more souls in the Infinaty ciruits than there were consumed by Slaanesh, and so the extra souls would give Ynnead a bit of a boost.

Well you seem to forget that Slaanesh also Nom Nom Noms on DE souls if they don't feel enough sensation...

Ah yes, I did forget about the DE. But the point still stands that if the fluff backs up the defeat of Slaanesh it's probably true.

I doubt him absorbing Slaanesh would be a very good idea. And the fluff backs up the desperate hope of the Eldar that the extinction of their species will mean something other than them being kind of stupid to create a Chaos god. The fluff also backs up that Slaanesh's followers believe she is invincible, so no one really knows what will happen. Slaanesh also has a lot of daemons backing her up, and Tzeentch might be unwilling to allow the death of the only other god who doesn't want him destroyed.

Ok, I'm not too good on the Chaos Gods, but I'm guessing that Slaanesh basically tells her followers that she's invincible, on the other hand, there is Eldrad Ulthran........ About Tzeentch, you are probably right that he wouldn't really want Slaanesh to be killed, but whether he stops Ynnead depends on:

1. Whether Ynnead actually spawns (which looks likely).

2. How much power Ynnead has and whether he/she is able to kill Slaanesh in the first place, and then going further than that defeating Tzeentch (not sure if the latter is likely).

But yeah, absorbing Slaanesh does actually seem a bit of a stupid thing for Ynnead to do now that I think about it. But Ynnead is a tricky one, as we don't really have very much information on him/her.

Durza wrote:I doubt him absorbing Slaanesh would be a very good idea. And the fluff backs up the desperate hope of the Eldar that the extinction of their species will mean something other than them being kind of stupid to create a Chaos god. The fluff also backs up that Slaanesh's followers believe she is invincible, so no one really knows what will happen. Slaanesh also has a lot of daemons backing her up, and Tzeentch might be unwilling to allow the death of the only other god who doesn't want him destroyed.

That actually takes power from the Gods, as the Daemons are drawing upon the power of their creator. Same is true every time they fill someone with power. It draws from their own reserve. So yes, Slaanesh has a TON of daemons at his / her call, and even more followers whom he / she funnels power into, but in fact each act is draining their currant power. With that in mind, Slaanesh, as well as the other chaos gods, are probably weaker now then previously in their existence, or at the very least are stagnant.

Highly unlikely. Although their energy is used up in the creation of daemons, they have more energy coming in from the material world than ever.