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Hmmm something has just come to mind, Tzeenth is probably the most powerful entity if you think along the lines of him knowing everything thats happening at any given time, he is completely omniescient and he has perfect recall of everything there is and has ever been. Thus his knowlege is greater than even the Emperors himself, thus noone can do something that Tzeench doesnt expect, Thus (i like saying that word) as knolege is power he is the most powerful... thus.... no thats it im done

Tyranic Marta wrote:Hmmm something has just come to mind, Tzeenth is probably the most powerful entity if you think along the lines of him knowing everything thats happening at any given time, he is completely omniescient and he has perfect recall of everything there is and has ever been. Thus his knowlege is greater than even the Emperors himself, thus noone can do something that Tzeench doesnt expect, Thus (i like saying that word) as knolege is power he is the most powerful... thus.... no thats it im done

You make a good point, but although Tzeentch may know everything that's happening at any one time, he/she does not have the knowledge of combat that Khorne has or the knowledge of disease that Nurgle has otherwise there would be no point in the other Chaos Gods. Thus ( ) he does not hold all knowledge and is not all powerful.

martin74 wrote:who ever matt ward wants it to be. have you read the crap he puts out?

QFT, I hate matt ward

Amanax wrote:

Durza wrote:I doubt him absorbing Slaanesh would be a very good idea. And the fluff backs up the desperate hope of the Eldar that the extinction of their species will mean something other than them being kind of stupid to create a Chaos god. The fluff also backs up that Slaanesh's followers believe she is invincible, so no one really knows what will happen. Slaanesh also has a lot of daemons backing her up, and Tzeentch might be unwilling to allow the death of the only other god who doesn't want him destroyed.

That actually takes power from the Gods, as the Daemons are drawing upon the power of their creator. Same is true every time they fill someone with power. It draws from their own reserve. So yes, Slaanesh has a TON of daemons at his / her call, and even more followers whom he / she funnels power into, but in fact each act is draining their currant power. With that in mind, Slaanesh, as well as the other chaos gods, are probably weaker now then previously in their existence, or at the very least are stagnant.

Daemons are formed from the emotions of mortals, not the gods themselves. Hence, there are the rare undivided ones. Greater daemons, on the other hand, are formed from the essence of their god, but become a self sufficient entity after this. Gifts from the gods usually take the form of physical mutation, so it doesn't take much power to give them. Apart from the rare immortals like Lucius and Kharn, they don't need to give much power to followers. The gods simply struggle too much among themselves to give anything but a taste of their power to mortals.

the fluff writer, for they have the power to turn awesomness into epic fail, relictors and grey knights fluff is a good example of this, awesomeness, to fail

Most powerful thing in 40k are dice. Ultimately it is them that determine who lives and who dies us mortals have no way to comprehend their power

@Nicholas, betcha $100 Brian Greene can.

Nicholas wrote:Most powerful thing in 40k are dice. Ultimately it is them that determine who lives and who dies us mortals have no way to comprehend their power

On that note, the most powerful entity is he who bakes his dice, for he can never lose.

Tyranic Marta wrote:Hmmm something has just come to mind, Tzeenth is probably the most powerful entity if you think along the lines of him knowing everything thats happening at any given time, he is completely omniescient and he has perfect recall of everything there is and has ever been. Thus his knowlege is greater than even the Emperors himself, thus noone can do something that Tzeench doesnt expect, Thus (i like saying that word) as knolege is power he is the most powerful... thus.... no thats it im done

You have hoenstly completly mis-interpreted the statement "knowledge is power" it is a metaphorical statement that relates to the fact that if one aquires knowledge then they have the power to govern their own thoughts, it is power over their own mind and soul both mentally and spiritually. This has no relation what so ever to physical strength or dexterity, which apart from wizards and what not, are the main attributes to fighting. If your statement was correct then in the modern world wouldn't scientists be able to take down world class martial artists?

Tl;DR. missunderstood the meaning of "knoweldge is power"

-.- enough of the personal attacks

seriously, it carries a completely different meaning here, this is a fantasy world you cant use the direct definitions of real world things to relate to things in the 40K universe like that, because of the nature of the warp the very nature of tthe meaning of that could be shifted out of perspective, if Tzeentch has the power of the warp at his disposal then essentially he can do what he wants with that scentence

Chuck Norris nuff said.

no, just no

chuck norris never has been and never will be anything like what anyone has ever made him out to be...

nuff said

Dave_Nz wrote:

Tyranic Marta wrote:Hmmm something has just come to mind, Tzeenth is probably the most powerful entity if you think along the lines of him knowing everything thats happening at any given time, he is completely omniescient and he has perfect recall of everything there is and has ever been. Thus his knowlege is greater than even the Emperors himself, thus noone can do something that Tzeench doesnt expect, Thus (i like saying that word) as knolege is power he is the most powerful... thus.... no thats it im done

You have hoenstly completly mis-interpreted the statement "knowledge is power" it is a metaphorical statement that relates to the fact that if one aquires knowledge then they have the power to govern their own thoughts, it is power over their own mind and soul both mentally and spiritually. This has no relation what so ever to physical strength or dexterity, which apart from wizards and what not, are the main attributes to fighting. If your statement was correct then in the modern world wouldn't scientists be able to take down world class martial artists?

Tl;DR. missunderstood the meaning of "knoweldge is power"

Actually knowledge is power means the same sort of thing as know your enemy or the pen is mightier than the sword. And yes, a scientist in the modern world could win, with the knowledge that he should use a gun.

*clap clap clap clap*

Thanks

Paul wrote:

Dave_Nz wrote:

Tyranic Marta wrote:Hmmm something has just come to mind, Tzeenth is probably the most powerful entity if you think along the lines of him knowing everything thats happening at any given time, he is completely omniescient and he has perfect recall of everything there is and has ever been. Thus his knowlege is greater than even the Emperors himself, thus noone can do something that Tzeench doesnt expect, Thus (i like saying that word) as knolege is power he is the most powerful... thus.... no thats it im done

You have hoenstly completly mis-interpreted the statement "knowledge is power" it is a metaphorical statement that relates to the fact that if one aquires knowledge then they have the power to govern their own thoughts, it is power over their own mind and soul both mentally and spiritually. This has no relation what so ever to physical strength or dexterity, which apart from wizards and what not, are the main attributes to fighting. If your statement was correct then in the modern world wouldn't scientists be able to take down world class martial artists?

Tl;DR. missunderstood the meaning of "knoweldge is power"

Actually knowledge is power means the same sort of thing as know your enemy or the pen is mightier than the sword. And yes, a scientist in the modern world could win, with the knowledge that he should use a gun.

Sigh, the 100% literal American society.

and how was that a personal attack, get over yourself.

You siaying that knowledge is power means that a scientist would be able to beat Bruce lee in a vacuum, don't say "well he would just use a gun" because that is a sad excuse for a bad argument. and last time i checked, the pen is only mightier than the sword if the enemy has an emotional sense, the empror i don't think would give a crap how you put anything to him, he enslaved 3trillion people.

if the empror is almost a perfect warrior, then know thy enemy doesn't even apply, because that only tries to exploit ones weakness.

and said above, he doesn't care for argumentative words, he'd probably just laugh.
nuff
said.
l2 interpret.


oh and by the way the secondary interpretation of knowledge is power actually relates to politics, and being able govern what you want by simply making people vote for you. such as the better politician you are ( how much knowledge you have ) is equal to the number of votes you receive (power and influence)

oh yea and chuck noris hasn't got gak on bruce lee, way of the dragon bruce lee owns noris, noris isn't even a respect martial artist.

I lol at the movie reference. They never truly fought or sparred... or at least nothing was ever recorded

And yet everything about Chuck Norris is made-up gak, likely derived from his appearances in various films ans TV shows, hence Bruce Lee owns Chuck Norris.

Tyranic Marta wrote:no, just no

chuck norris never has been and never will be anything like what anyone has ever made him out to be...

nuff said

Oh really?

Chuck Norris staring down a bear, in his mortal form: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2XUgE6g7XU

Chuck Norris beating a brick wall in tennis: http://www.mofunzone.com/online_games/chuck_norris_fights_a_brick_wall_in_tennis.shtml

Chuck Norris:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Tyranic Marta wrote:no, just no

chuck norris never has been and never will be anything like what anyone has ever made him out to be...

nuff said

Oh really?

Chuck Norris staring down a bear, in his mortal form: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2XUgE6g7XU

Chuck Norris beating a brick wall in tennis: http://www.mofunzone.com/online_games/chuck_norris_fights_a_brick_wall_in_tennis.shtml

Spoiler:

Chuck Norris:

Way to prove his point dude.... *shakes head*

You didn't put the Old Ones Up there. They created the tyranids in order to cleanse the galaxy for a fresh start.

Lord Atlas Grimm wrote:You didn't put the Old Ones Up there. They created the tyranids in order to cleanse the galaxy for a fresh start.

Huh? NO they didnt, they created the Eldar and the Krork (Orks), and others, but not the Nids.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Tyranic Marta wrote:no, just no

chuck norris never has been and never will be anything like what anyone has ever made him out to be...

nuff said

Oh really?

Chuck Norris staring down a bear, in his mortal form: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2XUgE6g7XU

Chuck Norris beating a brick wall in tennis: http://www.mofunzone.com/online_games/chuck_norris_fights_a_brick_wall_in_tennis.shtml

Chuck Norris:

Thanks, that only proved our point further, and proves that you actualyl dont know anything about chuck noris in the first place, he is a martial artist and his school that teaches Chun Kuk Do is actually regarded as quite a joke, a silly american actor who actually doesn't know jack all about the art. Also bruce lee is often considered one of the best fighters the world has ever seen, apart from shaolin monks who ha ve been training in secrecy and thereis almost no recorded footage of their sparring,

Lord Atlas Grimm wrote:You didn't put the Old Ones Up there. They created the tyranids in order to cleanse the galaxy for a fresh start.

Where in the hell did you get this? The Old Ones were pretty much annihilated and Nids are from an entirely different galaxy.

Dave_Nz wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Tyranic Marta wrote:no, just no

chuck norris never has been and never will be anything like what anyone has ever made him out to be...

nuff said

Oh really?

Chuck Norris staring down a bear, in his mortal form: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2XUgE6g7XU

Chuck Norris beating a brick wall in tennis: http://www.mofunzone.com/online_games/chuck_norris_fights_a_brick_wall_in_tennis.shtml

Chuck Norris:

Thanks, that only proved our point further, and proves that you actualyl dont know anything about chuck noris in the first place, he is a martial artist and his school that teaches Chun Kuk Do is actually regarded as quite a joke, a silly american actor who actually doesn't know jack all about the art. Also bruce lee is often considered one of the best fighters the world has ever seen, apart from shaolin monks who ha ve been training in secrecy and thereis almost no recorded footage of their sparring,

I know Chuck. It is just a meme, seriously, calm down.

And yes, Bruce Lee was better.

And yes, Shaolin Monks were better.

And yes, Spartans were better (just thought I'd throw that in).

Seriously, it is a JOKE. It is FUNNY. It is meant to make you LAUGH.

well it diddnt -.-

No reason to take it too seriously. Mr T beats Norris anyway.

Revenent Reiko wrote:

Lord Atlas Grimm wrote:You didn't put the Old Ones Up there. They created the tyranids in order to cleanse the galaxy for a fresh start.

Huh? NO they didnt, they created the Eldar and the Krors (Orks), and others, but not the Nids.

Fanfic and an idea I kinda like. The story goes somewhat like the last of the Slann flee the galaxy during the Enslaver Plague, they create the Tyranids to settle the score and the Tyranids either eat the Slann or the Slann let the Nids loose OM NOM NOMing galaxies as they move towards Terra.

Pilau Rice wrote:

Revenent Reiko wrote:

Lord Atlas Grimm wrote:You didn't put the Old Ones Up there. They created the tyranids in order to cleanse the galaxy for a fresh start.

Huh? NO they didnt, they created the Eldar and the Krors (Orks), and others, but not the Nids.

Fanfic and an idea I kinda like. The story goes somewhat like the last of the Slann flee the galaxy during the Enslaver Plague, they create the Tyranids to settle the score and the Tyranids either eat the Slann or the Slann let the Nids loose OM NOM NOMing galaxies as they move towards Terra.

It doesnt really make sense though, consider:
1) The Old Ones were nearly destroyed by the Necrons/C'Tan (the Enslavers were the final straw IIRC)
2) The Necrons are a non-psyker race (and in fact inserted the pariah gene into Human DNA, although there is a rumour this is being retconned/changed with the new Dex), and are very anti-psyker in all they do (see Pylons and Pariahs).
3) The Tyranids are psykers (OK, not quite, but the Hive Mind is a psychic entity)
4) Gauss weapons are reputed to be extremely effective against Nids. (See, when the Necrons helped the Tau then turned on them)

As such, the Nids seem to be the worst choice to take down the Necrons, especially considering that the Nids would need new biomatter to replace anything lost in battle with the Necrons, and they sure as hell arent going to be getting that from Tomb Worlds.

Its an interesting fanfic theory, but IMO it doesnt hold water.

Agreed.

Revenent Reiko wrote:
Its an interesting fanfic theory, but IMO it doesnt hold water.

It's not just the Necrons that they are trying to get rid of though.

And anyway, like I said, it's fanfic and I was just answering the question from your post.