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pretre wrote:For what you're talking about, I'd save the points and throw in another DCA. Sure, you lose the PP/MB, but you have a 5++/FNP and plenty of 3++ in the unit already.

I miss my canoness, but not that much.

Thanks for the advice I'll try that next time out.

pretre wrote:Canoness is kind of wasted with a battle conclave. They're already I6 and have Preferred Enemy on the charge. I would just let her go and use Celestine or another Battle Conclave.

Glad to hear that things are going well for you though.

I'm pretty sure her Act of Faith won't benefit the Battle Conclave anyway since they lack the Act of Faith special rule. It will still work on her and any Confessor, or special character though. If they could benefit that would be awesome. It does my heatr good to see people at least doping some good with the codex and enjoying it. I'm not really enjoying it yet. Maybe I just need a good bloody game of Apoc under my belt with my Sisters. I live to play Apoc games and I've been tweaking some stuff for my Sisters for just such a purpose.

Speaking of which has anyone seen if there are further Sisters articles int his month's WD yet? Last month we got 3 Battle Missions and before the Codex we got some Cities of Death love. We just need a little Planetstrike and Apoc to round it out.

andrewm9 wrote:

pretre wrote:Canoness is kind of wasted with a battle conclave. They're already I6 and have Preferred Enemy on the charge. I would just let her go and use Celestine or another Battle Conclave.

Glad to hear that things are going well for you though.

I'm pretty sure her Act of Faith won't benefit the Battle Conclave anyway since they lack the Act of Faith special rule. It will still work on her and any Confessor, or special character though. If they could benefit that would be awesome. It does my heatr good to see people at least doping some good with the codex and enjoying it. I'm not really enjoying it yet. Maybe I just need a good bloody game of Apoc under my belt with my Sisters. I live to play Apoc games and I've been tweaking some stuff for my Sisters for just such a purpose.

I played under the assumption they don't as they don't have the acts of faith special rule unlike jacobus and kyrinov.

Aha, my bad, I wasn't even thinking of that downside. Good call, andrewm9!

The Cannoness doesn't seem like a very good unit. Bad stats.

She isn't a very good unit, at all. Celestine will give you more bang for your buck and far more use, and everyone else lets you take a conclave, which is good.

Yep, Canoness is a sad panda compared to her awesomeness in previous lists. The only real question is Uriah Bomb and Celestine or Uriah Bomb and Extra EBC with Kyrinov, imo.

Ugh... In a different thread, I went through a short pro/con list for the new dex compared to the old one.

Had a ton of things in the con pile apart from points costs, and in the pro pile, I had one thing apart from certain other points costs: the Battle Conclave. The fact that it's pretty much mandatory for an effective army really turns me off of it, and not just because it's not a proper Sisters unit. I don't like feeling like I HAVE to take a particular unit if I want to stand a chance at winning.

Which reminds me, I played a game without a Battle Conclave, and got slaughtered pretty badly. By the end, I was down to a Rhino, some Retributors, and a Battle Sisters Squad camping out on an objective. Oh, and a lone Veteran Superior. My opponent had three combat squads made from Tactical Squads, her Chapter Master, a Sternguard squad, and an Assault Squad, some of which had taken moderate to heavy casualties.

I'm sure the new dex is quite playable, but I think I'll be going back to the Witch Hunters Codex, since I only ever play with one person, who's already said it's alright if I want to use the old dex. I've found uses for most of my Battle Conclave minis.

I am no longer feeling positive about receiving attention. :: sighs and curls up and snuggles my Sister of Battle plush toy and pets it :: It'll be okay little plush toy, we'll get another proper Codex some day years from now, then everyone will be jealous of our well-balanced, fluffy rules that gleam the light of the Emperor into their eyes- :: breaks down, sobbing and snuggling my plush toy tightly ::

:: sigh again :: On the other hand, I only tend to get all down about my Sisters of Battle when I come to Dakka and read/remember all the complaints... Maybe I should stop coming here...

Edit: And as for the Sisters of Battle getting martyred all the time, I... err... I had a Veteran Superior character in my custom fluff end up getting killed by an Ork Warboss' death spasm after she drove her sword through his head. She didn't STAY dead, though, thanks to some advanced medical intervention - which, I should add, has been in my custom fluff longer than the character has. Ahh, maybe I should go rewrite it, cause that, "Sisters players are so used to the idea of martyrdom they do it to themselves," or whatever comment, it really hit home there.

Edit the third: Am I hallucinating, or is a ton of Sisters of Battle stuff no longer available on GW's site? Edit the fourth: Not just Sisters of Battle stuff. A ton of other stuff is "No longer available," as well.

There are quite a few models unavailable at this time it looks like. A bunch of stuff is shipping in 1 to 2 weeks or 3 to 4 weeks.

Unavailable models are:

Canoness
All Sister Superiors on foot
Repentia
Mistress
Heavy Flamer
Multi-melta
both stormbolter models
both melta gun models
both flamer models
Crusaders
Arco-flagellants
Death Cultists
Hospitaller
Kyrinov
Plasma Pistol/Power Sword Seraphim Superior
Eviscerator/Plasma Seraphim Superior
Hand Flamer Seraphim
Penitent Engines
Exorcists

Wow. That's quite alot, but it won't be the first time they have been 'unavailable'. We went through a spell of that a year ago or so. Thats when Sisters rumors began flying hot and heavy only for the lien to be repckaaged into blisters only. Perhaps they realize the folly of selling an army like that and are repackaging again into sets. of course thre is the off-chance they are goign to recast it all in Finecast and maek them more expensive.

On another note, it appears that this is not restricted to the just the Sisters, as lots of other items are not available like SM tactical sqauds, Rhinos, Ork Boyz, and Cadian Shock Troops.

Wow, a lot of unavailable models....

If you read News and Rumors, it was a website bug and I believe is fixed now.


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Example: Canoness, ships within 24 hours:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1300013a

pretre wrote:If you read News and Rumors, it was a website bug and I believe is fixed now.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Example: Canoness, ships within 24 hours:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1300013a

It was fixed about about 5 hours after that. That was something strange for sure.

Still is like that on my computer...

Try clearing cache and refresh:

This pack contains one Battle Sister Canoness - a finely detailed metal miniature that comes in eight components (including a choice of weapons and a randomly selected backpack), and is supplied with a 25mm round base. This miniature is supplied unpainted and requires assembly - we recommend using Citadel Super Glue and Citadel Paints.
Availability: Usually ships within 24 hours. Part Code: MPN 99060108056

Following up on my previous statements, my sisters went 2/1/1 in a 4 round tournament.

Tabled a GK Terminator list.
Lost against a GK wacky list on the roll for turn 6. If it had continued to 6, I would have won.
Won against a shooty MC nid list.
Drew against a green tide list.

Fought three lists that were perfect matches (low model count that are susceptible to my volleys of S8AP1) for me and one that was the worst match (green tide).

So, considering this was my first tournament with the new codex, I would say they are pretty good. I reject the 'new sisters suck' comments.

Really? Wow, then you are saying the opposite of everyone at my LGS.

Anyone at your lgs played them at a tournament?


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More specifically, I believe sisters are tuned to kill Meq, teq vehicles and MCs. They will rock against anything with a lot of those. I imagine they will have more trouble against some guard and some DE. Also, they need to avoid being too specialized or will lose to hordes.

terrible, just terrible.. the whole army. "sisters of battle" even the name... ugh.

bondage girls with giant chainswords? /facepalm.

i guess that was GW's attempt to attract female players.

Nah, I think GW tried to attract female players with Tentacle Pink...

But they discontinued that paint...

They've been SoB for quite a while.

Ya, hey, can you still get that paint? Need it for my EC...

Vallejo's Squid Pink is a good replacement in my opinion.

Haven't used it for a bit, but it comes out like this. Though there is a slight amount of white added to it for highlights which aren't even noticeable in the pictures anyway.

Oooh, looks good. Very nice job on the Pink Horror.

I had a Sisters of Battle army back in 3rd edition, whom I took to many a tournament and had many many hours of great gaming with. When I got back into the hobby last year, I was seduced by the new IG codex (I also played IG back in 3rd) and have been kicking myself for missing-out on the Codex: Witchhunter days.

This new "codex" sounds like rather a mixed bag. I'm definitely not happy about the exclusion of Inquisitorial Storm troopers although the battle conclaves sound right up my alley.

My question is this: how long do you think this WD "codex" will be all the sisters have? I've been unable to find ANY rumours regarding a real codex, and that worries me.

NWansbutter wrote:My question is this: how long do you think this WD "codex" will be all the sisters have? I've been unable to find ANY rumours regarding a real codex, and that worries me.

2013 at the earliest, is my guess. More likely longer than that.

Ok, thanks.

On the upside, I would probably be kicking myself even more if I had built a witchhunters army and was now unable to use it (I had envisioned a very inquisition-heavy army). Guess I'll just stick with my IG for a few years and do some Fantasy if I feel the need to build a new army.

I think that if you like SoB, you should get into them. Even if they go into plastics, your models will still be usable.

I have been playing SOB since start of 3rd (Go Go Codex: Main Rulebook) and am up to about 3000 points or so in current models. I've had to change wargear and get a few models over the years, but my base sisters and vehicles are the same that they have ever been.

That being said, try to buy used. Buying new is ridiculously expensive.

pretre wrote:I think that if you like SoB, you should get into them. Even if they go into plastics, your models will still be usable.

I have been playing SOB since start of 3rd (Go Go Codex: Main Rulebook) and am up to about 3000 points or so in current models. I've had to change wargear and get a few models over the years, but my base sisters and vehicles are the same that they have ever been.

That being said, try to buy used. Buying new is ridiculously expensive.

So true as I illustrated in another thread. I built a 2000 pointlist that costs 1060.25 at current US prices. I even tried to go cheap where I could (like on the 12.25 Seraphim not the 14.00 one) except on Rhinos, though I would only have saved 14 dollars if just bought Rhinos and not Immolators. Finding cheaper Sisters has become harder, but not impossible. I bought my collection piecemeal on Ebay for the most part unless I needed something specific. At this point I can place over 200 Sisters models on the table without tanks.

andrewm9 wrote:At this point I can place over 200 Sisters models on the table without tanks.

Crazy! All painted?

In similar news, I'm selling a bunch of sisters I picked up a while back, if anyone is interested.

pretre wrote:

andrewm9 wrote:At this point I can place over 200 Sisters models on the table without tanks.

Crazy! All painted?

In similar news, I'm selling a bunch of sisters I picked up a while back, if anyone is interested.

About 75-80%. I've got some infantry and jump infantry that came in lots with some paint on them that are in need of stripping, but I haven't been motivated to do so yet. I've got a couple of Exorcists that haven't been painted as well. I've got 2 Repressors, 8 ImMolator/Rhinos, and 5 Exorcists. Obviously I have gathered this insane amount of metal for Apoclypse where they are joined by Imperial Guard infantry and my 1300 dollar armored brigade. Again more Ebay. IG tanks in cheaper blocks are far more readily available.