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It would be no contest, orks have their redonkulous numbers, and superior technology.....Crude...but superior.If you took every single force the imperium have, and all the forces the orks have...the Orks would outnumber them by WAAAAAY too much. Especially if Ghazzy was leading it....than it just wouldn't even be a fight anymore.

willhman wrote:

Doctor Khorne wrote:I'd have to say the Imperium due to the fact that one ork leading the entire race is not possible, so there would be a ludicrous amount of infighting compared to the somewhat organized forces of man, especially with.... TACTICAL GENIUS.

Umm no offense but they just as unlikly to happen as the orks in mho because some of the of they tactical geniuses live in "questionable" chapters and after a few battles might be called heretics cough cough blood angels space wolves cough in the end several chapters shall be excommunicated and slowly the last moral would die and suicides will be off the charts Not to mention the leadership would go to ether caernus or draigo you decide!! also if gork and mork arrived then the most likly out clome would be ork invicibleity, human pschkers head bangs(includin grey knights and if you ask me their specialized against chaos gods not ork gods gork and mork dont need no weak demies to fight their battles their too 'ard to lose any battle so it all good ) and warpheads becomin avatars in end orks win!!!

Grammar. Spelling. Do they mean anything to you?

As for OP's question:

Close Ork victory. Very, very close, but still victory.

Side note: what is it with you people and your ****ing ork smilies?

Vychor wrote:

willhman wrote:

Doctor Khorne wrote:I'd have to say the Imperium due to the fact that one ork leading the entire race is not possible, so there would be a ludicrous amount of infighting compared to the somewhat organized forces of man, especially with.... TACTICAL GENIUS.

Umm no offense but they just as unlikly to happen as the orks in mho because some of the of they tactical geniuses live in "questionable" chapters and after a few battles might be called heretics cough cough blood angels space wolves cough in the end several chapters shall be excommunicated and slowly the last moral would die and suicides will be off the charts Not to mention the leadership would go to ether caernus or draigo you decide!! also if gork and mork arrived then the most likly out clome would be ork invicibleity, human pschkers head bangs(includin grey knights and if you ask me their specialized against chaos gods not ork gods gork and mork dont need no weak demies to fight their battles their too 'ard to lose any battle so it all good ) and warpheads becomin avatars in end orks win!!!

Grammar. Spelling. Do they mean anything to you?

As for OP's question:

Close Ork victory. Very, very close, but still victory.

Side note: what is it with you people and your ****ing ork smilies?

I see you're new here.....if you're annoyed with the smilies now, you're going to have one hell of a time here.

Vychor wrote:

willhman wrote:

Doctor Khorne wrote:I'd have to say the Imperium due to the fact that one ork leading the entire race is not possible, so there would be a ludicrous amount of infighting compared to the somewhat organized forces of man, especially with.... TACTICAL GENIUS.

Umm no offense but they just as unlikly to happen as the orks in mho because some of the of they tactical geniuses live in "questionable" chapters and after a few battles might be called heretics cough cough blood angels space wolves cough in the end several chapters shall be excommunicated and slowly the last moral would die and suicides will be off the charts Not to mention the leadership would go to ether caernus or draigo you decide!! also if gork and mork arrived then the most likly out clome would be ork invicibleity, human pschkers head bangs(includin grey knights and if you ask me their specialized against chaos gods not ork gods gork and mork dont need no weak demies to fight their battles their too 'ard to lose any battle so it all good ) and warpheads becomin avatars in end orks win!!!

Grammar. Spelling. Do they mean anything to you?

As for OP's question:

Close Ork victory. Very, very close, but still victory.

Side note: what is it with you people and your ****ing ork smilies?

Orks won the war and now control the smilies

A thing just crossed my mind....
The OP said every Human in the galaxy, and that must mean all the Guardsmen in the galaxy.
Imagine what would happen if untold billions Lasguns fire at once....... SUPERNOVA!!!

( seriously, Lasgun shot is beam of consecrated light that makes mini plasma explosions at the other end. Each concetrated shot adds to the original one fire so you may say that 50 or 100 Lasgun shots in the same spot would be as powerful as Lascannon shot, imagine that shot combines many billion times.

So the final result would be - noone wins since Lasguns would create supernova if all are to be fired at once on the same planet. )

Brother Coa wrote:A thing just crossed my mind....
The OP said every Human in the galaxy, and that must mean all the Guardsmen in the galaxy.
Imagine what would happen if untold billions Lasguns fire at once....... SUPERNOVA!!!

( seriously, Lasgun shot is beam of consecrated light that makes mini plasma explosions at the other end. Each concetrated shot adds to the original one fire so you may say that 50 or 100 Lasgun shots in the same spot would be as powerful as Lascannon shot, imagine that shot combines many billion times.

So the fina lresult would be - noone wins since Lasguns woudl create supernova if all are to be firead at once on the same planet. )

hmmm... This is a well thought out answer!!! I really cant think of anything fight this answer because, the orks wont even see this coming

p.s. I just love orks smiles they're amazing and grammar isnt my strong point i'm sorry though sadly spelling is and i'm just neglecting to not doing it, if it really bothers you then I shall try harder

bombboy1252 wrote:

Vychor wrote:

willhman wrote:

Doctor Khorne wrote:I'd have to say the Imperium due to the fact that one ork leading the entire race is not possible, so there would be a ludicrous amount of infighting compared to the somewhat organized forces of man, especially with.... TACTICAL GENIUS.

Umm no offense but they just as unlikly to happen as the orks in mho because some of the of they tactical geniuses live in "questionable" chapters and after a few battles might be called heretics cough cough blood angels space wolves cough in the end several chapters shall be excommunicated and slowly the last moral would die and suicides will be off the charts Not to mention the leadership would go to ether caernus or draigo you decide!! also if gork and mork arrived then the most likly out clome would be ork invicibleity, human pschkers head bangs(includin grey knights and if you ask me their specialized against chaos gods not ork gods gork and mork dont need no weak demies to fight their battles their too 'ard to lose any battle so it all good ) and warpheads becomin avatars in end orks win!!!

Grammar. Spelling. Do they mean anything to you?

As for OP's question:

Close Ork victory. Very, very close, but still victory.

Side note: what is it with you people and your ****ing ork smilies?

I see you're new here.....if you're annoyed with the smilies now, you're going to have one hell of a time here.

I don't doubt you...

Back to the topic though, I found this:

"The Cadian 9th devestates Hive Fleet Scarabus at the walls of Fortress Carcasson without the loss of a single company."

Not saying the Cadians would magically win the ork vs imperium battle but... I might have to withdraw my vote for the orks.

What the hell: (if you can't beat em, join em!)

imrandomghgh wrote:
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Also, if he gets to come back, then Tuska da Daemon-Killa gets to come back too, along with the remenants of Waaagh! Tuska. Who, by the way, should all be a good hundred feet tall from fighting non-stop for centuries.

No.

WAAAGH! energy doesn't get any bigger without having more orks. it is showing dominance over lesser orks that makes them bigger, fighting in and of itself would not do that,

Lolwut? Orks don't grow from fighting? Da faq did i just read?...Maybe you should read the ork codex before saying something so balantly untrue as the words in bold.

*Ahem* Page 8, 2nd column, 1st paragraph under "A Life of Conflict," Codex: Orks - "Orks excel on the field of war, on everything from a personal to a galactic scale. It is conflict that governs their entire society, their technological advances and even their individual growth. Prolonged periods of conflict lead to a proportional increase in the size and strength of an ork, and greenskins who have fought in an active warzone tower over those who have been deprived of such stimulus. Longer wars produce even larger combatants. At the climax of Warlord Thogza's decade-long Waaagh! into the Duros sector, the Ork veterans were reputed to reach a size of almost twice a man."

There it is, right there in black and white. That's also why Ghazzy is probably closer to the size of a dreadnought or even dreadknight then how he is represented as a model, due to constant fighting and slaughtering entire regiments of the imperial gaurd (Page 22, 2nd column, paragraph one under the defense of hive hades, codex: orks ). GW just didn't want to make a to-scale model, i'd assume.

The Orks could not possibly lose the battle, but there would never be that many Orks attacking at once, they simply could not unite. Imagine how bored the Orks at he back would get. They'd forget they were attacking the imperium and just start fighting with each other. However, if the battle did come to fruition then they would win if they could unite.

Imagine how many Power Klaws you could hide in a Horde that Big? The Orks would also build a Continent size Kustom Force Field.

The Orks would win, but wouldn't care. As with most Orks it's not the Winning or losing its the size of the Waaaaagghhhhh and how good the scrap was.

OP your premise is basically what's happening on Armageddon and last I checked the Orks were still romping and stomping the 'umies.

Brother Coa wrote:A thing just crossed my mind....
The OP said every Human in the galaxy, and that must mean all the Guardsmen in the galaxy.
Imagine what would happen if untold billions Lasguns fire at once....... SUPERNOVA!!!

( seriously, Lasgun shot is beam of consecrated light that makes mini plasma explosions at the other end. Each concetrated shot adds to the original one fire so you may say that 50 or 100 Lasgun shots in the same spot would be as powerful as Lascannon shot, imagine that shot combines many billion times.

So the final result would be - noone wins since Lasguns would create supernova if all are to be fired at once on the same planet. )

Physics would like a word with you.


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There it is, right there in black and white. That's also why Ghazzy is probably closer to the size of a dreadnought or even dreadknight then how he is represented as a model, due to constant fighting and slaughtering entire regiments of the imperial gaurd (Page 22, 2nd column, paragraph one under the defense of hive hades, codex: orks ). GW just didn't want to make a to-scale model, i'd assume.

...really? A DREADNOUGHT? 4-5m tall...last time I checked Ghazzy wasn't 17 feet tall

Ruarinator2 wrote:The Orks could not possibly lose the battle, but there would never be that many Orks attacking at once, they simply could not unite. Imagine how bored the Orks at he back would get. They'd forget they were attacking the imperium and just start fighting with each other. However, if the battle did come to fruition then they would win if they could unite.

Must...contain...rage....

How many damn times do i have to go over this rediculously silly point that keeps getting brought up about orks fighting each other at the back?! Read through the damn thread before you post people!


Imrandom- Well, with the amount of combat experiance he has, and all the fighting he does, if regular old boyz in that one waaagh! got up to a dozen feet, anouther 5 feet for da biggest boss eva isn't much of a stretch. Of course, is uppose it is all speculative, because neather of us can provide a source stating his exact height.

Edits for double posting.

Imrandom- Well, with the amount of combat experiance he has, and all the fighting he does, if regular old boyz in that one waaagh! got up to a dozen feet, anouther 5 feet for da biggest boss eva isn't much of a stretch. Of course, is uppose it is all speculative, because neather of us can provide a source stating his exact height.

Okay so certain boyz from a specific battle were said to be twice as tall as a man so about 11-11 1/2 feet, and this is a truly legendary example, and rumor, remember. Does not mean that he is a 20 foot tall monster. in his mega-armour, counting the part of it that goes higher than his head, I'd say 15 tops. That's huge. Primarch size+. Without it, he'd probably be primarch height.

And don't even compare him to a dreadknight. Looking at model/artwork, they seem to be about 3x the height of a Grey Knight, meaning roughly 24 feet tall.

Not legendary at all. Orks just naturally get that big after a few decades in an active warzone. It's no special circumstance. Also, men are probably taller in the 41st mellenia then they are now. The average roman soldier was 5' 2" and that was only around 2000 years ago. It's quite possible if not probable that men average a good 7" given mellenia to evolve and grow. I'd say that a beast like ghazzy could easily be dreadnought height. But yeah, perhaps dreadknight height is a little overboard. Probably for the best though. If ward got wind of a dreadknight sized ghazzy, he'd recast his model with ghazzy attached to his armor by a baby harness.

I love this thread. Yes, Orks would first laugh at the IoM, then stomp them, laugh again and then start a good scrap among themselves to relieve the tension. In the meantime, the countless billions that DIDN'T get to fight, would have already stomped all the other races and then started scraping among themselves too. And then...
Well, as a controversial Eldar philosopher said:
"The Orks are the pinnacle of creation. For them, the great struggle is won. They have evolved a society which knows no stress or angst. Who are we to judge them? We Eldar who have failed, or the Humans, on the road to ruin in their turn? And why? Because we sought answers to questions that an Ork wouldn't even bother to ask! We see a culture that is strong and despise it as crude."

With all other races gone, we will finally have the perfect society...

And also:
"The Orks plague the galaxy from the end to end with their ceaseless warring and strife. They are a race rooted so deeply in war that peace is utterly incomprehensible to them. They cannot be bargained with or bought save with weapons that they will inevitable turn against those who tried to bribe them. I pray with all my faith that some great catastrophe will annihilate them but I fear that ultimately it is they, not we, who shall rule the galaxy."
As said by a high lord of terra...

I could never understand why orc technology is so superior.
I can't imagine their industry sector is particularly efficient.
I mean, they are so good at being fightsome all the time because they don't usually have to grow up and throw a civilization together.

I wonder if uniting the entirety of the imperium involves all ex-pat imperial orcish slaves killing themselves in acts of sabotage sometime before the battle.

I have only read the first page, however. Orks, no question and no contest. You unit orks in a single WAag and its game over for any and everyone else. Hell you want to end the Tyniad threat once and for all...aim orks at em.

loota boy wrote:Not legendary at all. Orks just naturally get that big after a few decades in an active warzone. It's no special circumstance. Also, men are probably taller in the 41st mellenia then they are now. The average roman soldier was 5' 2" and that was only around 2000 years ago. It's quite possible if not probable that men average a good 7" given mellenia to evolve and grow. I'd say that a beast like ghazzy could easily be dreadnought height. But yeah, perhaps dreadknight height is a little overboard. Probably for the best though. If ward got wind of a dreadknight sized ghazzy, he'd recast his model with ghazzy attached to his armor by a baby harness.

Doesn't really work that way. There are limits to how large living at the apex will make humans...plus, it is irrelevant either way, with each and every world having different gravity, each specific population would vary greatly from the next.


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Hunterindarkness wrote:I have only read the first page, however. Orks, no question and no contest. You unit orks in a single WAag and its game over for any and everyone else. Hell you want to end the Tyniad threat once and for all...aim orks at em.

Tyranids would eat orks and use the biomass to make more tyranids to eat orks


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Lucre wrote:I could never understand why orc technology is so superior.
I can't imagine their industry sector is particularly efficient.
I mean, they are so good at being fightsome all the time because they don't usually have to grow up and throw a civilization together.

I wonder if uniting the entirety of the imperium involves all ex-pat imperial orcish slaves killing themselves in acts of sabotage sometime before the battle.

Their tech isn't superior. Aside from the obvious point of sophistication, it doesn't work nearly as well, killing the operator almost as often as the target.

imrandomghgh wrote:

loota boy wrote:
Tyranids would eat orks and use the biomass to make more tyranids to eat orks

The issue there being, assuming they could eat enough to stop a totally combined Ork Warg before they got annihilated.

Hunterindarkness wrote:

imrandomghgh wrote:

loota boy wrote:
Tyranids would eat orks and use the biomass to make more tyranids to eat orks

The issue there being, assuming they could eat enough to stop a totally combined Ork Warg before they got annihilated.

Yep, after having one one else to fight, they would have to fight each other. The orks, nids and necrons locked in a few systems and left to fight would be titled "Ork wet dream"

Yeahhh no the orks would win in the end and, they are fighting each other at a place called the octarius sector(which my tribe and myself are fighting at, at the moment) and after crumpim the bugsez the orks would then make a huge waagh and stomp the empurium peice-meal
waaaaaagggghhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Actually they would still be in waagh mode and then would have launched a huge waagh against the emperuim, at least that is what is the reason for the octarius war

imrandomghgh wrote:
Their tech isn't superior. Aside from the obvious point of sophistication, it doesn't work nearly as well, killing the operator almost as often as the target.

That's probably why only one of their weapons are listed as gets hot!

Unless you count badrukk's Da Rippa. That thing's primary ammunition is severe, uncurable and instantanous cancer.

loota boy wrote:

imrandomghgh wrote:
Their tech isn't superior. Aside from the obvious point of sophistication, it doesn't work nearly as well, killing the operator almost as often as the target.

That's probably why only one of their weapons are listed as gets hot!

Unless you count badrukk's Da Rippa. That thing's primary ammunition is severe, uncurable and instantanous cancer.

Clearly that's due to a balancing issue, as opposed to actual interpretations of Ork technology. If you want an accurate description of the way that ork weapons explode on themselves, read a novel involving the orks. I'm sure you'll find something in there about their weapons exploding on themselves. I've never read one where they didn't.

Hunterindarkness wrote:

imrandomghgh wrote:

loota boy wrote:
Tyranids would eat orks and use the biomass to make more tyranids to eat orks

The issue there being, assuming they could eat enough to stop a totally combined Ork Warg before they got annihilated.

No. Also, you messed up your quote.

The full, combined might of the tyranids would DRASTICALLY outnumber and outmass orks. Plus, the tyranids could develop mutations specifically meant to be anti-ork, the same way they had become either resistant to lasguns or pulse rifles, forget which, with one particular hive fleet (Forget the name, it was small and hyper-adaptive)

imrandomghgh wrote:

Hunterindarkness wrote:

imrandomghgh wrote:

loota boy wrote:
Tyranids would eat orks and use the biomass to make more tyranids to eat orks

The issue there being, assuming they could eat enough to stop a totally combined Ork Warg before they got annihilated.

No. Also, you messed up your quote.

The full, combined might of the tyranids would DRASTICALLY outnumber and outmass orks. Plus, the tyranids could develop mutations specifically meant to be anti-ork, the same way they had become either resistant to lasguns or pulse rifles, forget which, with one particular hive fleet (Forget the name, it was small and hyper-adaptive)

When did the Tyranids get involved? The OP only asked about Orks and the IoM.

Begel Dverl wrote:

imrandomghgh wrote:

Hunterindarkness wrote:

imrandomghgh wrote:
Tyranids would eat orks and use the biomass to make more tyranids to eat orks

The issue there being, assuming they could eat enough to stop a totally combined Ork Warg before they got annihilated.

No. Also, you messed up your quote.

The full, combined might of the tyranids would DRASTICALLY outnumber and outmass orks. Plus, the tyranids could develop mutations specifically meant to be anti-ork, the same way they had become either resistant to lasguns or pulse rifles, forget which, with one particular hive fleet (Forget the name, it was small and hyper-adaptive)

When did the Tyranids get involved? The OP only asked about Orks and the IoM.

Someone said that orks could stomp EVERYTHING, and tyranids are a thing, so they fall into the everyTHING category.

imrandomghgh wrote:

Begel Dverl wrote:

imrandomghgh wrote:

Hunterindarkness wrote:

imrandomghgh wrote:
Tyranids would eat orks and use the biomass to make more tyranids to eat orks

The issue there being, assuming they could eat enough to stop a totally combined Ork Warg before they got annihilated.

No. Also, you messed up your quote.

The full, combined might of the tyranids would DRASTICALLY outnumber and outmass orks. Plus, the tyranids could develop mutations specifically meant to be anti-ork, the same way they had become either resistant to lasguns or pulse rifles, forget which, with one particular hive fleet (Forget the name, it was small and hyper-adaptive)

When did the Tyranids get involved? The OP only asked about Orks and the IoM.

Someone said that orks could stomp EVERYTHING, and tyranids are a thing, so they fall into the everyTHING category.

It actually has been stated several times that the orks could stomp everyTHING that is in the galaxy. But we do not know how many more tyranid fleets are out there, all we know is that, at this time in the game the orks could stomp everything right now. But if there are more tyranids that come to the galaxy and as more crons wake up the fluff might slowly change and it will say someTHING else

But seriously guys, I just read everything I could find about draigo and I don't think humanity really has to worry.

I mean a realitys worth of tortures and ever regenerating bloodthirsters in a world where you have no understanding of the rules and your enemies can arbitrarily change them hasn't even made him cry.

Not to mention he's capable of fighting on end for just about any amount of time and any number of foes and from what I understand the dude forges a nemesis force weapon like nobody's business. I'm sure that with his forge on the fly and made out of anything skills, the whole imperial force will be equipped in no time!

Plus I'm pretty sure if he already hasn't rearranged gork and morks faces in the immaterium, they've probably heard of him and would probably decide to take the day off for the battle. I mean, who would want to fight the guy who spends all his time out decapitating the blood god, burning down nurgles jungles and pushing over tzeench's cities.

You know he killed a greater demonized primarch? What a guy!

Lucre wrote:But seriously guys, I just read everything I could find about draigo and I don't think humanity really has to worry.

I mean a realitys worth of tortures and ever regenerating bloodthirsters in a world where you have no understanding of the rules and your enemies can arbitrarily change them hasn't even made him cry.

Not to mention he's capable of fighting on end for just about any amount of time and any number of foes and from what I understand the dude forges a nemesis force weapon like nobody's business. I'm sure that with his forge on the fly and made out of anything skills, the whole imperial force will be equipped in no time!

Plus I'm pretty sure if he already hasn't rearranged gork and morks faces in the immaterium, they've probably heard of him and would probably decide to take the day off for the battle. I mean, who would want to fight the guy who spends all his time out decapitating the blood god, burning down nurgles jungles and pushing over tzeench's cities.

You know he killed a greater demonized primarch? What a guy!

Sir this is Gork and Mork we are talking about the strongest powers ( that we know at this point of time) in the warp, these guys take even Khornes hits like they are nothing!!!
OOOOOOOHH a Daemon Primarch their tuff to mortals, but if any of the 4 big chaos gods can kill them then that means that Gork and Mork only have to look at them for three seconds, then they would suddenly be crumped
The Emperor dosent mess with these guys because, they are the perfect orks In the end if the chaos gods and the Emperor do not mess with them then what chance does this guy have??
This is how I see the warp, first is Gork and Mork + hive mind as the top gods( or dogs if you spell it backwards ) then come the chaos gods and emperor as greater daemons when you compare them to the top three Gods then lesser daemons which are, primarchs and greater daemons, and it keeps going on after that