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willhman wrote:
Lucre wrote:But seriously guys, I just read everything I could find about draigo and I don't think humanity really has to worry.

I mean a realitys worth of tortures and ever regenerating bloodthirsters in a world where you have no understanding of the rules and your enemies can arbitrarily change them hasn't even made him cry.

Not to mention he's capable of fighting on end for just about any amount of time and any number of foes and from what I understand the dude forges a nemesis force weapon like nobody's business. I'm sure that with his forge on the fly and made out of anything skills, the whole imperial force will be equipped in no time!

Plus I'm pretty sure if he already hasn't rearranged gork and morks faces in the immaterium, they've probably heard of him and would probably decide to take the day off for the battle. I mean, who would want to fight the guy who spends all his time out decapitating the blood god, burning down nurgles jungles and pushing over tzeench's cities.

You know he killed a greater demonized primarch? What a guy!
Sir this is Gork and Mork we are talking about the strongest powers ( that we know at this point of time) in the warp, these guys take even Khornes hits like they are nothing!!!
OOOOOOOHH a Daemon Primarch their tuff to mortals, but if any of the 4 big chaos gods can kill them then that means that Gork and Mork only have to look at them for three seconds, then they would suddenly be crumped
The Emperor dosent mess with these guys because, they are the perfect orks In the end if the chaos gods and the Emperor do not mess with them then what chance does this guy have??
This is how I see the warp, first is Gork and Mork + hive mind as the top gods( or dogs if you spell it backwards ) then come the chaos gods and emperor as greater daemons when you compare them to the top three Gods then lesser daemons which are, primarchs and greater daemons, and it keeps going on after that


But don't you know you can't be tzeentch? Everything you do, he planned out millenia ago! Anything they could do to him would be just as planned
   
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Bobthehero wrote:And I urge to tell to shove it, while Creed sneaks a few Titans inside Ghazzy gun and Marbo destroys a (nother) Stompa on his own


Oh, this reminds me.

Orks would lose, because Marbo would be CREEEED!'d behind the ork lines and he would kill everything.
   
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imrandomghgh wrote:
willhman wrote:
Lucre wrote:But seriously guys, I just read everything I could find about draigo and I don't think humanity really has to worry.

I mean a realitys worth of tortures and ever regenerating bloodthirsters in a world where you have no understanding of the rules and your enemies can arbitrarily change them hasn't even made him cry.

Not to mention he's capable of fighting on end for just about any amount of time and any number of foes and from what I understand the dude forges a nemesis force weapon like nobody's business. I'm sure that with his forge on the fly and made out of anything skills, the whole imperial force will be equipped in no time!

Plus I'm pretty sure if he already hasn't rearranged gork and morks faces in the immaterium, they've probably heard of him and would probably decide to take the day off for the battle. I mean, who would want to fight the guy who spends all his time out decapitating the blood god, burning down nurgles jungles and pushing over tzeench's cities.

You know he killed a greater demonized primarch? What a guy!
Sir this is Gork and Mork we are talking about the strongest powers ( that we know at this point of time) in the warp, these guys take even Khornes hits like they are nothing!!!
OOOOOOOHH a Daemon Primarch their tuff to mortals, but if any of the 4 big chaos gods can kill them then that means that Gork and Mork only have to look at them for three seconds, then they would suddenly be crumped
The Emperor dosent mess with these guys because, they are the perfect orks In the end if the chaos gods and the Emperor do not mess with them then what chance does this guy have??
This is how I see the warp, first is Gork and Mork + hive mind as the top gods( or dogs if you spell it backwards ) then come the chaos gods and emperor as greater daemons when you compare them to the top three Gods then lesser daemons which are, primarchs and greater daemons, and it keeps going on after that


But don't you know you can't be tzeentch? Everything you do, he planned out millenia ago! Anything they could do to him would be just as planned
yeah not all the time or we would not have nurgle here today, I see tzeentch as a person who can affect the future but cant really make it go his way, or else he would never lose

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willhman wrote:
imrandomghgh wrote:
willhman wrote:
Lucre wrote:But seriously guys, I just read everything I could find about draigo and I don't think humanity really has to worry.

I mean a realitys worth of tortures and ever regenerating bloodthirsters in a world where you have no understanding of the rules and your enemies can arbitrarily change them hasn't even made him cry.

Not to mention he's capable of fighting on end for just about any amount of time and any number of foes and from what I understand the dude forges a nemesis force weapon like nobody's business. I'm sure that with his forge on the fly and made out of anything skills, the whole imperial force will be equipped in no time!

Plus I'm pretty sure if he already hasn't rearranged gork and morks faces in the immaterium, they've probably heard of him and would probably decide to take the day off for the battle. I mean, who would want to fight the guy who spends all his time out decapitating the blood god, burning down nurgles jungles and pushing over tzeench's cities.

You know he killed a greater demonized primarch? What a guy!
Sir this is Gork and Mork we are talking about the strongest powers ( that we know at this point of time) in the warp, these guys take even Khornes hits like they are nothing!!!
OOOOOOOHH a Daemon Primarch their tuff to mortals, but if any of the 4 big chaos gods can kill them then that means that Gork and Mork only have to look at them for three seconds, then they would suddenly be crumped
The Emperor dosent mess with these guys because, they are the perfect orks In the end if the chaos gods and the Emperor do not mess with them then what chance does this guy have??
This is how I see the warp, first is Gork and Mork + hive mind as the top gods( or dogs if you spell it backwards ) then come the chaos gods and emperor as greater daemons when you compare them to the top three Gods then lesser daemons which are, primarchs and greater daemons, and it keeps going on after that


But don't you know you can't be tzeentch? Everything you do, he planned out millenia ago! Anything they could do to him would be just as planned
yeah not all the time or we would not have nurgle here today, I see tzeentch as a person who can affect the future but cant really make it go his way, or else he would never lose


Every loss is part of the great tapestry

Sorta like what p.31 codex: Chaos Daemons says:

"Thus a Lord of Change can only be defeated when it is part of one of Tzeentch's grand schemes, when he tricks his own Daemon by sending it false visions of the future."
   
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willhman wrote:yeah not all the time or we would not have nurgle here today, I see tzeentch as a person who can affect the future but cant really make it go his way, or else he would never lose


That's the thing... Tzeentch never loses. If you think he lost? You're wrong, your mortal mind simply cannot comprehend the complexity of his grand schemes, and this is for the better, because to understand Tzeentch's plan is to be irredeemably insane.

Nurgle? Nurgle is part of the plan. A playing piece to be moved about on the fields of the Great Game as Tzeentch designs it, as is everything else in the universe. Tzeentch has his plans, see, and everything is a part of it, and every piece has its part to play. Tzeentch is the embodiment of the inscrutable mystery of Chaos, the proof behind the theory of the butterfly in Japan causing a thunderstorm in New York, and as change is the only constant in the universe, the being ultimately determined to win the Great Game.

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2 things:

1) The gestalt effect of sooo many orks + the orks believing that this is da' biggest brawl ever would end up in them believing that the conflict never ending thus resulting in the ork final paradise and the IoM defeat over and over and over and... yeah, you get it.

2) I believe that it has been stated somewhere that there are orks outside of this galaxy, possibly meaning that they could outnumber tyranids.

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jgehunter wrote:2 things:

1) The gestalt effect of sooo many orks + the orks believing that this is da' biggest brawl ever would end up in them believing that the conflict never ending thus resulting in the ork final paradise and the IoM defeat over and over and over and... yeah, you get it.

2) I believe that it has been stated somewhere that there are orks outside of this galaxy, possibly meaning that they could outnumber tyranids.


They MIGHT be outside this galaxy. And either way, tyranids aren't just stumbling on their second galaxy here, they purge entire galaxies of life. For all we know, the milky way is the only one that has never been wiped.
   
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loota boy wrote:Dang, i might have to take a break from this thread. In fact, these threads should, in general, not ever be made, just because of the sheer amount of fanboi-ism that it breeds. I'm stuggling to contain the urge to shout about Ghazzy mounting mephiston and riding him across the battlefield, mulching calgar while gork steps on all of Russ's returned thirteenth legion. I'll come back later when my rationality meter is recharged.


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Psienesis wrote:
willhman wrote:yeah not all the time or we would not have nurgle here today, I see tzeentch as a person who can affect the future but cant really make it go his way, or else he would never lose


That's the thing... Tzeentch never loses. If you think he lost? You're wrong, your mortal mind simply cannot comprehend the complexity of his grand schemes, and this is for the better, because to understand Tzeentch's plan is to be irredeemably insane.

Nurgle? Nurgle is part of the plan. A playing piece to be moved about on the fields of the Great Game as Tzeentch designs it, as is everything else in the universe. Tzeentch has his plans, see, and everything is a part of it, and every piece has its part to play. Tzeentch is the embodiment of the inscrutable mystery of Chaos, the proof behind the theory of the butterfly in Japan causing a thunderstorm in New York, and as change is the only constant in the universe, the being ultimately determined to win the Great Game.
Ok im gonna just say Tzeentch has no master plan, he just likes to make different strands of fate but nothing that will happen over all, in the end Tzeench loses and Nurgle wins because after Tzeentch is done Nurgle comes in and takes it all for himself

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... exactly according to plan.

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willhman wrote:
Psienesis wrote:
willhman wrote:yeah not all the time or we would not have nurgle here today, I see tzeentch as a person who can affect the future but cant really make it go his way, or else he would never lose


That's the thing... Tzeentch never loses. If you think he lost? You're wrong, your mortal mind simply cannot comprehend the complexity of his grand schemes, and this is for the better, because to understand Tzeentch's plan is to be irredeemably insane.

Nurgle? Nurgle is part of the plan. A playing piece to be moved about on the fields of the Great Game as Tzeentch designs it, as is everything else in the universe. Tzeentch has his plans, see, and everything is a part of it, and every piece has its part to play. Tzeentch is the embodiment of the inscrutable mystery of Chaos, the proof behind the theory of the butterfly in Japan causing a thunderstorm in New York, and as change is the only constant in the universe, the being ultimately determined to win the Great Game.
Ok im gonna just say Tzeentch has no master plan, he just likes to make different strands of fate but nothing that will happen over all, in the end Tzeench loses and Nurgle wins because after Tzeentch is done Nurgle comes in and takes it all for himself


Ok I'm just gonna say that you can't make up things about significant fluff points (Chaos Gods).
   
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Ignatius wrote:
willhman wrote:
Psienesis wrote:
willhman wrote:yeah not all the time or we would not have nurgle here today, I see tzeentch as a person who can affect the future but cant really make it go his way, or else he would never lose


That's the thing... Tzeentch never loses. If you think he lost? You're wrong, your mortal mind simply cannot comprehend the complexity of his grand schemes, and this is for the better, because to understand Tzeentch's plan is to be irredeemably insane.

Nurgle? Nurgle is part of the plan. A playing piece to be moved about on the fields of the Great Game as Tzeentch designs it, as is everything else in the universe. Tzeentch has his plans, see, and everything is a part of it, and every piece has its part to play. Tzeentch is the embodiment of the inscrutable mystery of Chaos, the proof behind the theory of the butterfly in Japan causing a thunderstorm in New York, and as change is the only constant in the universe, the being ultimately determined to win the Great Game.
Ok im gonna just say Tzeentch has no master plan, he just likes to make different strands of fate but nothing that will happen over all, in the end Tzeench loses and Nurgle wins because after Tzeentch is done Nurgle comes in and takes it all for himself


Ok I'm just gonna say that you can't make up things about significant fluff points (Chaos Gods).
Sir if your are talking to me, then may I ask what exactly have I made up about the chaos gods??

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imrandomghgh wrote:
jgehunter wrote:2 things:

1) The gestalt effect of sooo many orks + the orks believing that this is da' biggest brawl ever would end up in them believing that the conflict never ending thus resulting in the ork final paradise and the IoM defeat over and over and over and... yeah, you get it.

2) I believe that it has been stated somewhere that there are orks outside of this galaxy, possibly meaning that they could outnumber tyranids.


They ARE MOST DEFFINANTLY AND TOTALLY CONFIRMED ON PAGE 18 COLUMN ONE PARAGRAPH TWO UNDER "THE SAVAGE STARS" IN CODEX: ORKS TO be outside this galaxy. And either way, tyranids aren't just stumbling on their second galaxy here, they purge entire galaxies of life. For all we know, the milky way is the only one that has never been wiped.


Fixed that for yah.

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willhman wrote:
Ignatius wrote:
willhman wrote:
Psienesis wrote:
willhman wrote:yeah not all the time or we would not have nurgle here today, I see tzeentch as a person who can affect the future but cant really make it go his way, or else he would never lose


That's the thing... Tzeentch never loses. If you think he lost? You're wrong, your mortal mind simply cannot comprehend the complexity of his grand schemes, and this is for the better, because to understand Tzeentch's plan is to be irredeemably insane.

Nurgle? Nurgle is part of the plan. A playing piece to be moved about on the fields of the Great Game as Tzeentch designs it, as is everything else in the universe. Tzeentch has his plans, see, and everything is a part of it, and every piece has its part to play. Tzeentch is the embodiment of the inscrutable mystery of Chaos, the proof behind the theory of the butterfly in Japan causing a thunderstorm in New York, and as change is the only constant in the universe, the being ultimately determined to win the Great Game.
Ok im gonna just say Tzeentch has no master plan, he just likes to make different strands of fate but nothing that will happen over all, in the end Tzeench loses and Nurgle wins because after Tzeentch is done Nurgle comes in and takes it all for himself


Ok I'm just gonna say that you can't make up things about significant fluff points (Chaos Gods).
Sir if your are talking to me, then may I ask what exactly have I made up about the chaos gods??


The part about "Tzeentch has no master plan... nothing will happen over all... Tzeentch looses and Nurgle wins." All of that.
   
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Ignatius wrote:
willhman wrote:
Ignatius wrote:
willhman wrote:
Psienesis wrote:
willhman wrote:yeah not all the time or we would not have nurgle here today, I see tzeentch as a person who can affect the future but cant really make it go his way, or else he would never lose


That's the thing... Tzeentch never loses. If you think he lost? You're wrong, your mortal mind simply cannot comprehend the complexity of his grand schemes, and this is for the better, because to understand Tzeentch's plan is to be irredeemably insane.

Nurgle? Nurgle is part of the plan. A playing piece to be moved about on the fields of the Great Game as Tzeentch designs it, as is everything else in the universe. Tzeentch has his plans, see, and everything is a part of it, and every piece has its part to play. Tzeentch is the embodiment of the inscrutable mystery of Chaos, the proof behind the theory of the butterfly in Japan causing a thunderstorm in New York, and as change is the only constant in the universe, the being ultimately determined to win the Great Game.
Ok im gonna just say Tzeentch has no master plan, he just likes to make different strands of fate but nothing that will happen over all, in the end Tzeench loses and Nurgle wins because after Tzeentch is done Nurgle comes in and takes it all for himself


Ok I'm just gonna say that you can't make up things about significant fluff points (Chaos Gods).
Sir if your are talking to me, then may I ask what exactly have I made up about the chaos gods??

The part about "Tzeentch has no master plan... nothing will happen over all... Tzeentch looses and Nurgle wins." All of that.
They are all part of the Great Game. No one can ever win the Great Game. Not Creed. Not Marbo. Not the Tyranids. No one.

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Begel Dverl wrote:
Ignatius wrote:
willhman wrote:
Ignatius wrote:
willhman wrote:
Psienesis wrote:
willhman wrote:yeah not all the time or we would not have nurgle here today, I see tzeentch as a person who can affect the future but cant really make it go his way, or else he would never lose


That's the thing... Tzeentch never loses. If you think he lost? You're wrong, your mortal mind simply cannot comprehend the complexity of his grand schemes, and this is for the better, because to understand Tzeentch's plan is to be irredeemably insane.

Nurgle? Nurgle is part of the plan. A playing piece to be moved about on the fields of the Great Game as Tzeentch designs it, as is everything else in the universe. Tzeentch has his plans, see, and everything is a part of it, and every piece has its part to play. Tzeentch is the embodiment of the inscrutable mystery of Chaos, the proof behind the theory of the butterfly in Japan causing a thunderstorm in New York, and as change is the only constant in the universe, the being ultimately determined to win the Great Game.
Ok im gonna just say Tzeentch has no master plan, he just likes to make different strands of fate but nothing that will happen over all, in the end Tzeench loses and Nurgle wins because after Tzeentch is done Nurgle comes in and takes it all for himself


Ok I'm just gonna say that you can't make up things about significant fluff points (Chaos Gods).
Sir if your are talking to me, then may I ask what exactly have I made up about the chaos gods??

The part about "Tzeentch has no master plan... nothing will happen over all... Tzeentch looses and Nurgle wins." All of that.
They are all part of the Great Game. No one can ever win the Great Game. Not Creed. Not Marbo. Not the Tyranids. No one.


I bolded the part that's fething WRONG!
   
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Ignatius wrote:
willhman wrote:
Ignatius wrote:
willhman wrote:
Psienesis wrote:
willhman wrote:yeah not all the time or we would not have nurgle here today, I see tzeentch as a person who can affect the future but cant really make it go his way, or else he would never lose


That's the thing... Tzeentch never loses. If you think he lost? You're wrong, your mortal mind simply cannot comprehend the complexity of his grand schemes, and this is for the better, because to understand Tzeentch's plan is to be irredeemably insane.

Nurgle? Nurgle is part of the plan. A playing piece to be moved about on the fields of the Great Game as Tzeentch designs it, as is everything else in the universe. Tzeentch has his plans, see, and everything is a part of it, and every piece has its part to play. Tzeentch is the embodiment of the inscrutable mystery of Chaos, the proof behind the theory of the butterfly in Japan causing a thunderstorm in New York, and as change is the only constant in the universe, the being ultimately determined to win the Great Game.
Ok im gonna just say Tzeentch has no master plan, he just likes to make different strands of fate but nothing that will happen over all, in the end Tzeench loses and Nurgle wins because after Tzeentch is done Nurgle comes in and takes it all for himself


Ok I'm just gonna say that you can't make up things about significant fluff points (Chaos Gods).
Sir if your are talking to me, then may I ask what exactly have I made up about the chaos gods??


The part about "Tzeentch has no master plan... nothing will happen over all... Tzeentch looses and Nurgle wins." All of that.


Tzeentch has no master plan stated in the csm 4th edition codex page 9 paragraph 2 under Tzeentch, and I quote
"In fact, Tzeentch does not have a grand plan, an ineffable goal to fulfill. For Tzeentch the mere act of plotting and endlessly entwining the breif fates is fulfillment enough. There is no end to his scheming for he desires no end. Tzeentch can never acheive an ultimate aim for it would be the end of ambition and hence the end for the Lord of Destiny"
Now then that just proved that Tzeentch has no master plan and that he doesnt want anything to change so yeah that means nothing big will happen over all, the only thing that I said that might be made up is the my quote of Tzeencth losing to Nurgle, and sir I was just having some fun with that

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willhman wrote:Tzeentch has no master plan stated in the csm 4th edition codex page 9 paragraph 2 under Tzeentch, and I quote
"In fact, Tzeentch does not have a grand plan, an ineffable goal to fulfill. For Tzeentch the mere act of plotting and endlessly entwining the breif fates is fulfillment enough. There is no end to his scheming for he desires no end. Tzeentch can never acheive an ultimate aim for it would be the end of ambition and hence the end for the Lord of Destiny"
Now then that just proved that Tzeentch has no master plan and that he doesnt want anything to change so yeah that means nothing big will happen over all, the only thing that I said that might be made up is the my quote of Tzeencth losing to Nurgle, and sir I was just having some fun with that


You are trying to make a point that the absence of a master plan proves the absence of anything "big" happening. The two do not necessarily go hand in hand here. He is most assuredly working on some things that are enormous enough. Perhaps there was some confusion as to what master plan we were talking about. My definition would be better described as his most worked on plan, not his supposed endgame. It does in fact, as the codex says, not make any sense for him to have a "plan to end all plans".

Also, you said this, "Now then that just proved Tzeentch...doesn't want anything to change..." Wait. What? How did you distinguish from no ultimate plan to not wanting change? Tzeentch is the embodiment of change. His Greater Deamons are Lords of Change. He works to achieve change. How can you possibly say that he doesn't want change?
   
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What im trying to get at is he likes the Imperium on top now, because it is so badly corrupted that he is getting followers who want to move up the ladder any way they can, even by following a chaos god( like Tzeentch) yes he wants change to happen to planets but over all he likes the 40k universe as it is at the moment, because it is so easy to change what happens to the individuals. Sorry if you dont quite understand what im saying, im trying to think of a way to say this without confusing myself in the process. Happens alot when I talk about Tzeentch go figure.


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Formosa wrote:waaagh energy does not block psykers, show me the ref
Its the sheer amount of souls and minds of the orks that will block out the warp, kinda like what the tyranids do lolzys

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willhman wrote:What im trying to get at is he likes the Imperium on top now, because it is so badly corrupted that he is getting followers who want to move up the ladder any way they can, even by following a chaos god( like Tzeentch) yes he wants change to happen to planets but over all he likes the 40k universe as it is at the moment, because it is so easy to change what happens to the individuals. Sorry if you dont quite understand what im saying, im trying to think of a way to say this without confusing myself in the process. Happens alot when I talk about Tzeentch go figure.


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Formosa wrote:waaagh energy does not block psykers, show me the ref
Its the sheer amount of souls and minds of the orks that will block out the warp, kinda like what the tyranids do lolzys


I understand exactly what you are saying now, if you had just said that to begin with we wouldn't be having this conversation. And individuals don't have to be a follower of Tzeentch in order for him to have influence over them. Just by the act of a human scheming to get on top does it empower Tzeentch. The human won't even realize they are doing it most of the time. The galaxy is how it is largely due to Tzeentch to begin with.

Formosa was asking for a citation where the energy of a waaagh blocks out psykers or hampers their ability to connect with the warp.
   
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k thanks Ignatius, and to Formosa their hasnt been any cases of that happening I beleive.

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willhman wrote:yeah not all the time or we would not have nurgle here today, I see tzeentch as a person who can affect the future but cant really make it go his way, or else he would never lose


That's the thing... Tzeentch never loses. If you think he lost? You're wrong, your mortal mind simply cannot comprehend the complexity of his grand schemes, and this is for the better, because to understand Tzeentch's plan is to be irredeemably insane.

Nurgle? Nurgle is part of the plan. A playing piece to be moved about on the fields of the Great Game as Tzeentch designs it, as is everything else in the universe. Tzeentch has his plans, see, and everything is a part of it, and every piece has its part to play. Tzeentch is the embodiment of the inscrutable mystery of Chaos, the proof behind the theory of the butterfly in Japan causing a thunderstorm in New York, and as change is the only constant in the universe, the being ultimately determined to win the Great Game.
Ok im gonna just say Tzeentch has no master plan, he just likes to make different strands of fate but nothing that will happen over all, in the end Tzeench loses and Nurgle wins because after Tzeentch is done Nurgle comes in and takes it all for himself


Ok I'm just gonna say that you can't make up things about significant fluff points (Chaos Gods).
Sir if your are talking to me, then may I ask what exactly have I made up about the chaos gods??


The part about "Tzeentch has no master plan... nothing will happen over all... Tzeentch looses and Nurgle wins." All of that.


Tzeentch has no master plan stated in the csm 4th edition codex page 9 paragraph 2 under Tzeentch, and I quote
"In fact, Tzeentch does not have a grand plan, an ineffable goal to fulfill. For Tzeentch the mere act of plotting and endlessly entwining the breif fates is fulfillment enough. There is no end to his scheming for he desires no end. Tzeentch can never acheive an ultimate aim for it would be the end of ambition and hence the end for the Lord of Destiny"
Now then that just proved that Tzeentch has no master plan and that he doesnt want anything to change so yeah that means nothing big will happen over all, the only thing that I said that might be made up is the my quote of Tzeencth losing to Nurgle, and sir I was just having some fun with that


It proved that his scheme will never end, meaning he will never be destroyed, it also hints that he could make one if he wanted.

Either that, or he lied to the codex author.
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It's like this...

Any one faction, or group of factions, that seems to be "winning" and exterminating all others is fodder for Tzeentch, as the Architect of Fate, to change how things go.

So, this super-Waagh, for example, might be doing its thing and laying waste to massive amounts of the galaxy, with Gork and Mork just enjoying the show, because they really don't care as long as things are going Orky, when something... changes. The Waaghboss leading the Waagh has a fatal accident during a squig-eating contest, or accidentally runs himself over with his own wartrukk or, you know, whatever. His fate has changed, and now his Waagh tears itself asunder as various Bosses clash for control.

Khorne is into this, too, because he cares not from whence the blood flows, so long as people are killing one another.

Nurgle is also into this, not because of the Orks, but because of the ruin left in their wake, and the grim fatalism of the survivors (Ork and non-Ork alike) determined to live another day, against all odds.

Slaanesh is giddy, because of the glut of emotion and sensation that comes from these gargantuan battles, and the rush of emotion from the collected races in victory or defeat.

When the Orks have once again broken down into their warring tribal natures, then it's time for, let's say, the Necrons to get involved, waking up another Tomb World on the other side of the galaxy, while the Eldar rush to position the Imperium to act as their proxies in the war.

Same thing as above with the Ruinous Powers.

Meanwhile, some Tyranid show up and, hey, more things to fight, more fates to change, and, eventually, everyone fights their way back down to pretty much where they started at.

I guess that just goes to prove that GW is actually a Tzeentchian cult.

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