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Tie...

Think about it... all the alpha + level psykers are on the planet :\
Don't think the planet will excist for long

Okay first, why do we keep bringing in Gork and Mork? If these powerful being are boing to be factored in then the Imperium should rightfully bring in Corax, Leman Russ, and Vulkan. We all know that NO Ork is even remotely the same level of tacitcal or strategic ability as these two.

Second The Imperium has technology but it ALSO has strategy and tactics. Yes the Orks do have good warbosses but even their BEST arnt as good as Creed or Yarrick much less the Space Marine leaders like Calgar

Finally, both descriptions of the armies state that in a massive everyone evolved fight they would beat everyone, this does not factor in things like if the galaxy is still at war, just that they can focus their entire military might against the enemy.

And I saw someone mention this, The Imperium doesnt have to unite. All it has to do is focus its ENTIRE military against the Orks. The problem is that they are currently under siege on all sides by multiple factions. If they had the ability to focus their entire military then politics wouldnt be a factor nor corruption or anything like that. Simply military planning which the Imperium has several amazing military leaders

The Orks would win. Even if they lost the first battle, the spores would cause a near-constant flow of reinforcements for them.

Galdos wrote:Okay first, why do we keep bringing in Gork and Mork? If these powerful being are boing to be factored in then the Imperium should rightfully bring in Corax, Leman Russ, and Vulkan. We all know that NO Ork is even remotely the same level of tacitcal or strategic ability as these two.

Second The Imperium has technology but it ALSO has strategy and tactics. Yes the Orks do have good warbosses but even their BEST arnt as good as Creed or Yarrick much less the Space Marine leaders like Calgar

Finally, both descriptions of the armies state that in a massive everyone evolved fight they would beat everyone, this does not factor in things like if the galaxy is still at war, just that they can focus their entire military might against the enemy.

And I saw someone mention this, The Imperium doesnt have to unite. All it has to do is focus its ENTIRE military against the Orks. The problem is that they are currently under siege on all sides by multiple factions. If they had the ability to focus their entire military then politics wouldnt be a factor nor corruption or anything like that. Simply military planning which the Imperium has several amazing military leaders

Again, this is assuming they can overcome the factor of numbers - something even Yarrick couldn't do at Hades Hive, which he eventually lost to Ghazghull in the end.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

Galdos wrote:Okay first, why do we keep bringing in Gork and Mork? If these powerful being are boing to be factored in then the Imperium should rightfully bring in Corax, Leman Russ, and Vulkan. We all know that NO Ork is even remotely the same level of tacitcal or strategic ability as these two.

Second The Imperium has technology but it ALSO has strategy and tactics. Yes the Orks do have good warbosses but even their BEST arnt as good as Creed or Yarrick much less the Space Marine leaders like Calgar

Finally, both descriptions of the armies state that in a massive everyone evolved fight they would beat everyone, this does not factor in things like if the galaxy is still at war, just that they can focus their entire military might against the enemy.

And I saw someone mention this, The Imperium doesnt have to unite. All it has to do is focus its ENTIRE military against the Orks. The problem is that they are currently under siege on all sides by multiple factions. If they had the ability to focus their entire military then politics wouldnt be a factor nor corruption or anything like that. Simply military planning which the Imperium has several amazing military leaders

Again, this is assuming they can overcome the factor of numbers - something even Yarrick couldn't do at Hades Hive, which he eventually lost to Ghazghull in the end.

There is only so much you can do with guardsmen and scared militia. If Yarrick had a titan or four, and support of a marine chapter, the outcome could have been different.

And we have the Ultramarines. You're arguement is invalid.

Why is everybody forgetting the gakking mechanicum.

admiral9 wrote:Why is everybody forgetting the gakking mechanicum.

Dunno. We don't even need it to beat the orks, it seems.

1) ork numbers are not validated and thus just "imagined". There is no source to tell us how many of them exist.
2) numbers don't matter when WMD are used. And the IoM would take that chance to get rid of them.
3) the assumption of no limits is maybe wrong. So a waagh could oversaturate? Exploding greenskin heads aren't impossible.
4) generally both would loose as orks wouldn't win as easy as some want them to and humans would loose to much to resist the non-orks afterwards. Thus any 3rd party could easily step in and mop up the rest.

The orks would be held off for at best 2 days then the orks would wipe them.

Imperiums favor:
tech
titans
armour
defensive position
Quality of troops
Stratergy and leaders


Orks favour:
numbers
momentum
morale
regenerative losses
Ingenuity
Psychic block (from waaagh energy)

In detail the imperium would hold off for the 1st day at least as the orks wouldn't get close with all the titan fire strafing runs and orbital bombardments from the fleet.
By day 2 the titans guns need cooling / recharging and the imperium just doesn't have the supplies for it the roks and number in space would destroy the fleet and warp travel would be impossible due to the navigators having no access to the warp by the waagh energy generated.
At this point the orks would be recovering losses from the new crops of spores and any tech looted would be being used against the imperium im talking a sea of stompas and the boyz corpses would be so high the orks could stroll into the hive cities.
Even with primarch help or even the emperor in his prime would be wiped after a month because one warrior cannot win a war the orks would die around him for days but eventually everyone else would fall and if gork and mork did appear it would be very unlikely he could fight the war on both fronts.

Anyway besides if the imperium had all the orks on one planet or even a system they wouldn't hesitate to exterminatus it even if it cost them chapters or sacred worlds.

One thing we know is true the Tau aren't gonna win if they showed in full force xD

By day 2 the titans guns need cooling / recharging and the imperium just doesn't have the supplies for it

A: The availability of resources would be infinite every single bullet produced would be send to this warzone.

B: The number of coolant systems that would be deployed would be innumerable as the techpriets can deploy unlimited numbers to the usage.

BTW Thank you for finally including the mechanicum.

Oh and leave the Tau alone we are only around 6000 years old and we already are one of the most advanced we need to reach our prime first.

admiral9 wrote:

By day 2 the titans guns need cooling / recharging and the imperium just doesn't have the supplies for it

A: The availability of resources would be infinite every single bullet produced would be send to this warzone.

How? Humans tire, humans fear, humans have 'family' and 'dreams of the future', Orks only want to stay alive so they can inflict more violence. Every Single Ork is a killing machine and they outnumber not just combat capable humanity, but All humanity.

admiral9 wrote:
B: The number of coolant systems that would be deployed would be innumerable as the techpriets can deploy unlimited numbers to the usage.

How? The number of titans is falling every year, they can't make the grand old titans of yesteryear and many of the most powerful have fallen, never to be recommissioned as the knowledge to maintain them gets lost. Mars and the forge worlds are not about 'unlimited', the total reverse, the Mechanicus is losing know-how and tech all the time as the Imperium continues downhill from the glory days of the Crusade.

Also, coolant systems can't just be swapped in and out of the titans like lego. Having more priests in the pitstop team won't make the job any faster.

Ignatius wrote:There is only so much you can do with guardsmen and scared militia. If Yarrick had a titan or four, and support of a marine chapter, the outcome could have been different.

And we have the Ultramarines. You're arguement is invalid.

The key phrase there being "could have been." It's notable that despite Yarrick's best efforts at Golgotha, where he had not only a much more battle-hardened army but a Baneblade company at his command, he was unable to stop Ghazghull's victory there.

Also, I think when you're reduced to parroting memes, then my argument isn't the one that's invalid.

TBH the orks would probly win but if you include the chance the orks begin to fight within there own ranks then the orks would get battered simply because every single warboos would want to be in charge of that size of waghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

Ignatius wrote:There is only so much you can do with guardsmen and scared militia. If Yarrick had a titan or four, and support of a marine chapter, the outcome could have been different.

And we have the Ultramarines. You're arguement is invalid.

The key phrase there being "could have been." It's notable that despite Yarrick's best efforts at Golgotha, where he had not only a much more battle-hardened army but a Baneblade company at his command, he was unable to stop Ghazghull's victory there.

Also, I think when you're reduced to parroting memes, then my argument isn't the one that's invalid.

I was just being cute

But in all seriousness, I don't think you can look at the logistics and other variables without bogging everything down.

Also, I think many of you are over estimating the orks numbers and their potential. Imperial Guardsmen are a hell of a lot more capable and competent than most seem to believe. As to the comment about the Imperium holding off the orks for two days and being wiped out after three: The amount of death that would have to happen for the ENTIRE Human Army to be wiped out in three days would run into the millions per second:

As stated in another thread, rough estimates put just the imperial Guard at 500 trillion (conservatively, one member said that after calculations it could be closer to the quadrillions)

There are 259,200 seconds in 72 hours (three days)

500 trillion/259,200= 1,929,012,346

To kill off just the guard in that amount of time, the guard would have to loose 1,929,012,346 men per SECOND.

Where am I going with this? Just making the observation that this battle would take a heck of a long time. (which is important)

Anyways, I don't think that many people will be changing their minds about this. But it does give an indication who is an Imperial Fanboy

admiral9 wrote:Why is everybody forgetting the gakking mechanicum.

For the same reason nobody is talking about the Adeptus Astra Telepatica (with psy-titans), the Adeptus Custodes or the pdf (lots and lots of cannon fodder): it is the IoM against the Orks. However, I reckon that half the military power of humanity (perhaps even more) go to the Admech. They can deploy an endless stream of servitors, and then titan legions, Legio Cybernetica, ordinati...

They are awfully powerful. Put all of them together and they will hold their ground one day against the Orks, perhaps even two. For every titan Orks can deploy 1000 mega gargants, and keep building them from scratch. Same goes for ordinati. Do not forget that ork technology excels at creating force fields too, as well as teleporting devices and explosives.

Oh, and if the Emperor himself comes back... a single Ork boss near strangled him to death on Ullanor. There were a lot of Orks in that planet and Orks get really, really powerful in numbers. Should we add Horus to the fight to save him again?

Orks win. They always do.

All Orks on one planet? Virus Bomb, Imperium wins.

"Proper" fight? OHGODWHEREARETHEYCOMINGFROMTHEYAREEVERYWHEREAAARGH!!!

AlmightyWalrus wrote:All Orks on one planet? Virus Bomb, Imperium wins.

"Proper" fight? OHGODWHEREARETHEYCOMINGFROMTHEYAREEVERYWHEREAAARGH!!!

Again, kinda assumes that Imperial forces are able to get their ships into position to enact exterminatus, something that's not as easy said as done, what with the ridiculous size of the ork spacefleet and it's accompanying roks.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:All Orks on one planet? Virus Bomb, Imperium wins.

"Proper" fight? OHGODWHEREARETHEYCOMINGFROMTHEYAREEVERYWHEREAAARGH!!!

Again, kinda assumes that Imperial forces are able to get their ships into position to enact exterminatus, something that's not as easy said as done, what with the ridiculous size of the ork spacefleet and it's accompanying roks.

There's always kill ships. The Imperial army also presumably got to the planet somehow. Besides, if all the Orks are on the planet, no one's manning the Roks.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:All Orks on one planet? Virus Bomb, Imperium wins.

"Proper" fight? OHGODWHEREARETHEYCOMINGFROMTHEYAREEVERYWHEREAAARGH!!!

Again, kinda assumes that Imperial forces are able to get their ships into position to enact exterminatus, something that's not as easy said as done, what with the ridiculous size of the ork spacefleet and it's accompanying roks.

There's always kill ships. The Imperial army also presumably got to the planet somehow. Besides, if all the Orks are on the planet, no one's manning the Roks.

They keep the grots flyin da ships, coz dey got BS 3...

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:All Orks on one planet? Virus Bomb, Imperium wins.

"Proper" fight? OHGODWHEREARETHEYCOMINGFROMTHEYAREEVERYWHEREAAARGH!!!

Again, kinda assumes that Imperial forces are able to get their ships into position to enact exterminatus, something that's not as easy said as done, what with the ridiculous size of the ork spacefleet and it's accompanying roks.

There's always kill ships. The Imperial army also presumably got to the planet somehow. Besides, if all the Orks are on the planet, no one's manning the Roks.

They keep the grots flyin da ships, coz dey got BS 3...

Grot rebellion?

See, the new "masters" are those who got a transport...

1hadhq wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:All Orks on one planet? Virus Bomb, Imperium wins.

"Proper" fight? OHGODWHEREARETHEYCOMINGFROMTHEYAREEVERYWHEREAAARGH!!!

Again, kinda assumes that Imperial forces are able to get their ships into position to enact exterminatus, something that's not as easy said as done, what with the ridiculous size of the ork spacefleet and it's accompanying roks.

There's always kill ships. The Imperial army also presumably got to the planet somehow. Besides, if all the Orks are on the planet, no one's manning the Roks.

They keep the grots flyin da ships, coz dey got BS 3...

Grot rebellion?

See, the new "masters" are those who got a transport...

Imperium is about to Virus bomb, irks keep thinking they can't be affected they are too immersed in the waaaaagh, so many of them believe it that it becomes true. Rinse and Repeat. Orkzez win

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

Galdos wrote:Okay first, why do we keep bringing in Gork and Mork? If these powerful being are boing to be factored in then the Imperium should rightfully bring in Corax, Leman Russ, and Vulkan. We all know that NO Ork is even remotely the same level of tacitcal or strategic ability as these two.

Second The Imperium has technology but it ALSO has strategy and tactics. Yes the Orks do have good warbosses but even their BEST arnt as good as Creed or Yarrick much less the Space Marine leaders like Calgar

Finally, both descriptions of the armies state that in a massive everyone evolved fight they would beat everyone, this does not factor in things like if the galaxy is still at war, just that they can focus their entire military might against the enemy.

And I saw someone mention this, The Imperium doesnt have to unite. All it has to do is focus its ENTIRE military against the Orks. The problem is that they are currently under siege on all sides by multiple factions. If they had the ability to focus their entire military then politics wouldnt be a factor nor corruption or anything like that. Simply military planning which the Imperium has several amazing military leaders

Again, this is assuming they can overcome the factor of numbers - something even Yarrick couldn't do at Hades Hive, which he eventually lost to Ghazghull in the end.

But losing one battle doesnt mean anything if you win the war. Yes the question is can technology and tactics defeat numbers. I dont know, but I would put my money on the Imperium, if the Orks win however I wouldnt be that surprised

admiral9 wrote:Wow didn't expect so much feedback xD. Apperently nobody even thought of the forces of the adeptus mechanicus. Because they will pump out skittari as fast as the orks pump out orks even if it is on smaller numbers. I heard the commandos argument that is counterd by catachans kasrkin stormtroopers and the rest off those dudes. If you have read mechanicum you know how powerfull a single ordinatti weapon shot can be. (It can take out a titan in one shot.) You got the titans i think that every titan we have will be outnumbered 2 to 1 for them. But we have the imperator we also have knights. We have CUSTODIANS specialised DEATHWATCH they can kill orks many times their own number we have around 1000 leviatans which can shoot leman russ sized explosives. We can use our assasins that also number in the 100 or even 500 to just eradicate every single leader they have. And we can deploy about every techpriest ingenseer we have. That means inexaustible numbers of cybernetica robots. We can construct heavily specialized defenses in no time and have a ingenseer to repair the damage every inch of the line. Along with void shielding tech on huge numbers and a gigantic amount of high ranking medics. We can just heal them every shot our men take hypothetically speaking. And if so much imperium psykers will be gathered the chance that the emperor manifests is as high as gork and mork manifesting.

Even then, that is a mere fraction fighting against the Orks as a whole.

Honestly, The Imperium would most likely win the day. What with the power of the Mechanicus, Astartes, Imperial Navy and Guard etc., The orks would be hard pressed to out fire the IoM,. of course many people overlook the fact that it is Total war. To look at the conflict from a ground-war perspective only is unfeasable. and to think that the battle in space is mearly that, you'd have to be lying to yourself to believe.

There Is Only War

That is what we've been told and that is what we will forever hold dear to us.

I don't have much information or knowledge of the Ork species itself to refer to, so i won't state my point on how i believe they would act. But one key thing that is obvious to everyone is the orks inability toact as a cohesive whole for much longer then a battle will last. With this theory stated, we can agree that a planet-wide conflict Will Not have every single Ork,(Nor every single Humie), fighting at a single time. What is to state that the Boyz won't get restless and begin fighting amongst themselves? what's to keep us from imagining a Warboss, much like Ghazzy, from rising from the shadows while Ghazz is away and taking control?

Now that I've shared my short snippet for the Orks, I'll begin with the IoM.

Ahh the Emperor's domain and all it's men who rush to defend it. How nicely the rein of humanity has withered only to show us that insane odds are achievable by those we could not comprehend acomplishing such goals, and vice-versa. To look at the numbers of warriors who rush to defend their homes is stunning but not incalculable. The number of Astartes chapters is not known to us for with each passing day, several more pass into the void or are lost to unknown circumstances. at most, we've been told that they number approxiamately 1000 chapters total. and that each chapter has around average 1000 Astartes in total at most. to think that these paltry numbers wins the day is preposterous however. They are known for being genetically-engineered super-soldiers and excelling in combat and for being incredibly efficient tacticians and commanders. The idea of war comes to an astartes much like the act of breathing comes to us. They were bred, trained, and in certain circumstances, have been known to perfect the art of war-making to near-perfection. Though the Astartes are but few in number, what they bring to the conflict has incredible leverage in a conflict.

Next, the Hammer of the Emperor. The Imperial Guard. Possibly the most numerous of warriors the Imperium is capable of fielding, the Imperial Guard are known for their numbers and their machines and methods by which they make war. As a prior poster has been able to inform us,( Thanks BTW Ignatius for that numbers crunch ) The Imperial Guard could number from the trillions to quadrillions. Not to mention the fact that with each new regiment being deployed to the conflict comes the fancy,( and well-used) hardware the Guard are capable of fielding. From the small and fragile Sentinel, to the dangerous Leman Russ, to the all-powerful Baneblade, The Guard's stoxk of vehicles ensures that if any one thing were to arise, they got a solution to that. From these machines we also observe how each regiment has a certain skill set to wish it is an accomplished practitioner. From the Catachan's fame for jungle warfare, to the Steel Legions of Armageddon and their prowess in mechanized warfare, we can observe the ability of the Guard its capability to adapt to situations. Along with the great force of men the Guard can deploy, comes the incredible leadership that leads these men to victory. Soldiers such as Commissar Yarrick and Lord Castellan Ursarker Creed, are those who spring to mind when asked of incredible heroes who have proven themselves time and again to possess great military minds and prowess in combat. and to think that men have done such incredible acts without the aid of genetic enhancements or centuries of rigorous training, causes tears to come to my eyes.

The Adeptus Mechanicus. truly a mysterious force to be reckoned with and one which holds an extremely powerful weapon in which to slay the Emperor's foes, The Legio Titanicus. many think that the titans are the Mechanicum's only source in which to fight the onslaught of xenos and heretics that come knocking on the Emperor's doorstep. The Skitarii and numerous other factions are formed around arcane technology that enhance a single human or machine to insane proportions and lethality in which they are extremely dangerous for those they might face. And of course the fact that the Legio Titanicus houses the most feared machine in which the mechanicus makes war also adds in to the tactical capabilities the Imperium has to draw on. As for going into detail about the titan's themselves, the numerous classes are known and the effects of such weapons is also something we all can envision so i wont bother explaining them.

The Sister's of Battle. not actually a military organization much like the Adeptus Astartes or the Imperial Guard, The Sister's of Battle are the military arm of the Ecclesiarchy. As such is their position, I believe they hold the single most powerful tool in which they combat their foes, Faith. Yes, i said it, faith. Faith is something that has driven people in years of old to both incredible and terrible acts that have astounded many people. The fact that the sister's go into battle believeing that something more powerful guides each and every one of them to victory, leads them to believe they cannot be defeated. Such thoughts are common when we analyze past wars and conflicts in which men and women have fought incredible actions merely because they believed they would survive or that they were in fact guided by some powerful hand. Such Righteous Fury is incredible to behold and impossible to deter.

Now some of you might be wondering why i fail to mention the Imperial Navy or other more recognizable forces such as the Inquisition, Deathwatch, or even the Grey Knights. For those, i do have views and such as to their combat effectiveness but I'm not so well versed with the tactics or strategems of the Imperial Navy, nor do i believe the Inquisition has much to offer. As far as the Deathwatch and the Grey Knight's, they are much the same as their regular brother's who serve in the Adeptus Astartes, with the exception that each brings with it a particular advantage to this conflict. The Deathwatch obviously bring their elite training in the ways of the slaying of xenos filth, just as much as the Grey Knight's bring their psychic mastery and prowess in hand-to-hand combat to the engagement. As far as the other organizations in which the Imperium brings to the war. I shall speak no further. partly because I don't have as much knowledge into these groups and would be speaking about them with mere assumptions rather then educated deductions, MOSTLY because I might have put Dakka to sleep by now and my hands and fingers are seizing up as well.

If there is anyone out there who might wish to complete this summary or might even want to bring a in-depth review of da Boyz, feel free to do so, though i had 2 hours to kill to type this so don't feel like you have to equal me in length

Exalted Pariah Wrote:
Though, with all of humanity united maybe the Emperor would fight Gork and Mork in the background to stop this from happening....
Then humanity wins as Pedro Kantor Falcon Punches the Arch Arsonist so hard into Gazghull that it stuns him long enough for Brother Jarod of the Black Templar(a ven dread who HATES orkz) to throw a barely concious Yarrick powerklaw first into his face.

@ Exalted Pariah, awesome quote by the way consider it exalted!

metalgear1313 wrote:Honestly, The Imperium would most likely win the day. What with the power of the Mechanicus, Astartes, Imperial Navy and Guard etc., The orks would be hard pressed to out fire the IoM,. of course many people overlook the fact that it is Total war. To look at the conflict from a ground-war perspective only is unfeasable. and to think that the battle in space is mearly that, you'd have to be lying to yourself to believe.

There Is Only War

That is what we've been told and that is what we will forever hold dear to us.

I don't have much information or knowledge of the Ork species itself to refer to, so i won't state my point on how i believe they would act. But one key thing that is obvious to everyone is the orks inability toact as a cohesive whole for much longer then a battle will last. With this theory stated, we can agree that a planet-wide conflict Will Not have every single Ork,(Nor every single Humie), fighting at a single time. What is to state that the Boyz won't get restless and begin fighting amongst themselves? what's to keep us from imagining a Warboss, much like Ghazzy, from rising from the shadows while Ghazz is away and taking control?

Now that I've shared my short snippet for the Orks, I'll begin with the IoM.

Ahh the Emperor's domain and all it's men who rush to defend it. How nicely the rein of humanity has withered only to show us that insane odds are achievable by those we could not comprehend acomplishing such goals, and vice-versa. To look at the numbers of warriors who rush to defend their homes is stunning but not incalculable. The number of Astartes chapters is not known to us for with each passing day, several more pass into the void or are lost to unknown circumstances. at most, we've been told that they number approxiamately 1000 chapters total. and that each chapter has around average 1000 Astartes in total at most. to think that these paltry numbers wins the day is preposterous however. They are known for being genetically-engineered super-soldiers and excelling in combat and for being incredibly efficient tacticians and commanders. The idea of war comes to an astartes much like the act of breathing comes to us. They were bred, trained, and in certain circumstances, have been known to perfect the art of war-making to near-perfection. Though the Astartes are but few in number, what they bring to the conflict has incredible leverage in a conflict.

Next, the Hammer of the Emperor. The Imperial Guard. Possibly the most numerous of warriors the Imperium is capable of fielding, the Imperial Guard are known for their numbers and their machines and methods by which they make war. As a prior poster has been able to inform us,( Thanks BTW Ignatius for that numbers crunch ) The Imperial Guard could number from the trillions to quadrillions. Not to mention the fact that with each new regiment being deployed to the conflict comes the fancy,( and well-used) hardware the Guard are capable of fielding. From the small and fragile Sentinel, to the dangerous Leman Russ, to the all-powerful Baneblade, The Guard's stoxk of vehicles ensures that if any one thing were to arise, they got a solution to that. From these machines we also observe how each regiment has a certain skill set to wish it is an accomplished practitioner. From the Catachan's fame for jungle warfare, to the Steel Legions of Armageddon and their prowess in mechanized warfare, we can observe the ability of the Guard its capability to adapt to situations. Along with the great force of men the Guard can deploy, comes the incredible leadership that leads these men to victory. Soldiers such as Commissar Yarrick and Lord Castellan Ursarker Creed, are those who spring to mind when asked of incredible heroes who have proven themselves time and again to possess great military minds and prowess in combat. and to think that men have done such incredible acts without the aid of genetic enhancements or centuries of rigorous training, causes tears to come to my eyes.

The Adeptus Mechanicus. truly a mysterious force to be reckoned with and one which holds an extremely powerful weapon in which to slay the Emperor's foes, The Legio Titanicus. many think that the titans are the Mechanicum's only source in which to fight the onslaught of xenos and heretics that come knocking on the Emperor's doorstep. The Skitarii and numerous other factions are formed around arcane technology that enhance a single human or machine to insane proportions and lethality in which they are extremely dangerous for those they might face. And of course the fact that the Legio Titanicus houses the most feared machine in which the mechanicus makes war also adds in to the tactical capabilities the Imperium has to draw on. As for going into detail about the titan's themselves, the numerous classes are known and the effects of such weapons is also something we all can envision so i wont bother explaining them.

The Sister's of Battle. not actually a military organization much like the Adeptus Astartes or the Imperial Guard, The Sister's of Battle are the military arm of the Ecclesiarchy. As such is their position, I believe they hold the single most powerful tool in which they combat their foes, Faith. Yes, i said it, faith. Faith is something that has driven people in years of old to both incredible and terrible acts that have astounded many people. The fact that the sister's go into battle believeing that something more powerful guides each and every one of them to victory, leads them to believe they cannot be defeated. Such thoughts are common when we analyze past wars and conflicts in which men and women have fought incredible actions merely because they believed they would survive or that they were in fact guided by some powerful hand. Such Righteous Fury is incredible to behold and impossible to deter.

Now some of you might be wondering why i fail to mention the Imperial Navy or other more recognizable forces such as the Inquisition, Deathwatch, or even the Grey Knights. For those, i do have views and such as to their combat effectiveness but I'm not so well versed with the tactics or strategems of the Imperial Navy, nor do i believe the Inquisition has much to offer. As far as the Deathwatch and the Grey Knight's, they are much the same as their regular brother's who serve in the Adeptus Astartes, with the exception that each brings with it a particular advantage to this conflict. The Deathwatch obviously bring their elite training in the ways of the slaying of xenos filth, just as much as the Grey Knight's bring their psychic mastery and prowess in hand-to-hand combat to the engagement. As far as the other organizations in which the Imperium brings to the war. I shall speak no further. partly because I don't have as much knowledge into these groups and would be speaking about them with mere assumptions rather then educated deductions, MOSTLY because I might have put Dakka to sleep by now and my hands and fingers are seizing up as well.

If there is anyone out there who might wish to complete this summary or might even want to bring a in-depth review of da Boyz, feel free to do so, though i had 2 hours to kill to type this so don't feel like you have to equal me in length

Exalted Pariah Wrote:
Though, with all of humanity united maybe the Emperor would fight Gork and Mork in the background to stop this from happening....
Then humanity wins as Pedro Kantor Falcon Punches the Arch Arsonist so hard into Gazghull that it stuns him long enough for Brother Jarod of the Black Templar(a ven dread who HATES orkz) to throw a barely concious Yarrick powerklaw first into his face.

@ Exalted Pariah, awesome quote by the way consider it exalted!

This will be exalted.

And to finish on the mechanicum, you also have to add the ordinatti those are machines capable of destroying a titan in one shot. The knights who have more numbers then the titans but are smaller but again more agile. And i also will mention the custodians they number aproximatly 1000 to 2000 from what i understand and they are the strongest fighters in the galaxy it took a whole chapter of corrupted marines too take out 1. And that was a suprise attack. Oh and we have every single commisar there we can deploy around 100000000 commisars so the moral will be kept in place.

Three words. DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA!

Orks are, as far as we know, the dominant force in the universe. The only thing keeping them from taking out the trash is the whole unification thing. Im pretty sure you would need atleast 2-3 dozen planets just to fit orks on the battlefield, and even then... Where would the Imperials stand? On top of the orks?

Orks still win.

No matter the tech, the quality or the quantity the Orks will win, they have incredibly advanced technological powers, psychic powers and uncountable numbers of troops and support craft, the Imperium would drown under the tide.

Again, I'm not sure people are realising just how numerous orks are.
If the claims made in the Orks codex are true, that they have actually spread beyond the edges of the galaxy and can be found in the universe at large, then it's likely that they number in the billions of trillions.
Think about that.
Billions of trillions of useful warriors.
Humanity's population might number in the trillions, but not all of it is useful; there's still the civilian population to think about.

Also the custodes are pretty bad at offensive manouvers they are great for bodyguard duties or holding a poistion but in no way do they match experienced astartes in flexibilty in "A thousand sons" a book.i know almost off by heart thousand sons kill many custodes including a fellowship leader killing 3 at once on jetbikes .
the grey knights would be little to no use aswel as they are psykers and imagine the shadow in the warp caused by trillions of orks it would be akin to a ork hive manifested in gork and mork.

And commisars can t be everywhere at once and if a guardsman watches a astartes fall back i doubt he will stick around and after all the guardsmen have fled been executed or slain by orks, lets see a commisar try to execute a space marine.

sorry about spelling as im on phone.

I've always been under the impression that Grots outnumber Orks so if there are billions of trillions of Orks I wonder how many Grots there would be?

Sure in small numbers they dont even register as a minor threat but a couple of sextillion Grots all armed with various weaponary, driving Grot tanks and millions in Killkans?

Pretty difficult to beat down.

In order to kill Gharkull Blackfang it took legions Horus, Dorn and Mortarion (including the primarchs themselves) with Emprah and his custodians. Legions were almost annihilated and without emperor's intervention Heresy wouldn't have happened.

The point were all of the imperium would have to fight all of the orks would mean that orks have killed everything else (necrons, tyranids, chaos....).