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His character, having the highest STR in the party, did get kidnapped by the female Minotaur we encountered, just like the module said to run her. On his last day, no less.

Later on, on another evenings role playing, we found his character chained to a wall, smelling of bovine lovin'.

Epic.

 Wardragoon wrote:

 kronk wrote:
We briefly had a guy in our HackMaster RPG that would say "Shooka-Shooka" every time he rolled the dice. Every. Time. As a player, he would buy the module that the GM was running us through and read ahead. We called him out on it when he started arguing about "That's not what the book says to do". Also, he would lie about dice rolls, which is the worst offense a player can make.

We kicked him out of our group and became much more selective about who we let in. Nothing smaller than a C-Cup was a rule for a while, but sadly, no one would reply to those personal ads in craigslist...

GM rule 101: When a player cheats, cheat better.

I had a player who cheated on rolls with his ranger, strangely that night 4 orc barbarians snuck up on him that night and slaughtered him, strangely his rolls are honest now

Don't torque off the person with the god-like powers over the world. It's funny how all the random bad events and monsters target the guy who's d20 averages a 15.

My only bad event so far has been the incredulity of one player over the loss of his WraithKnight. It had two of the cannons, not the sword and board. I charge it with Abaddon after he lost his Chosen to shooting. I decided to use the Talon of Horus instead of Drach'nyen. Yes, I lose the 2-6 extra attacks, but I wound on 4s and have AP3 so he gets no save, plus I have Shred to make sure they count. I had to show him 3 times that yes, he gets 7 attacks on the charge (4 + extra weapon, +Charge, +Rage), then again about how he gets the extra weapon attack since both weapons are Specialist Weapons, then AGAIN that the claw is not Unwieldly like most x2 Power weapons. The result to much whining, and glorious re-rolls, I do 6 wounds and kill him in one combat round. I've never been able to duplicate that good of an attack. I guess maybe the next part wasn't very childish, but he had all the other units around Abaddon use their full moves from then on to get away from Abbadon, even his CC troops like Striking Scorpions, to make sure Abaddon couldn't kill anything else.

This man is my friend, and I guess I can understand his loss, seeing as how he had just purchased it the day before. Ouch.

From this discussion, I have read many stories about TFG, but does this kind of thing happen much with friends, or people that become your friends after?

 Wardragoon wrote:
I had a player who cheated on rolls with his ranger, strangely that night 4 orc barbarians snuck up on him that night and slaughtered him, strangely his rolls are honest now

A person from my school of GMing!

A psyker in a Dark Heresy game was overusing their power and trying to minmax.

This of course did not end well for them. They later were mutated in to a little girl and had some amusing psychic phenomena happen to them.

I freely admit to fudging my dice rolls in RPGs. There have been numerous times where I rolled horribly. And by "rolled horribly" I mean the number on the die was a 19.

 chaosvoices wrote:
his man is my friend, and I guess I can understand his loss, seeing as how he had just purchased it the day before. Ouch.

In my experience having just bought a model is a great way to guarantee its horrible demise in its first battle. Having just finished painting it acts in very much the same way.

 PrinceRaven wrote:

 chaosvoices wrote:
his man is my friend, and I guess I can understand his loss, seeing as how he had just purchased it the day before. Ouch.

In my experience having just bought a model is a great way to guarantee its horrible demise in its first battle. Having just finished painting it acts in very much the same way.

It's even more pronounced when it's your first painted model in the army because people focus on that even harder.

I think gamers are sadists sometimes.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Wardragoon wrote:

 kronk wrote:
We briefly had a guy in our HackMaster RPG that would say "Shooka-Shooka" every time he rolled the dice. Every. Time. As a player, he would buy the module that the GM was running us through and read ahead. We called him out on it when he started arguing about "That's not what the book says to do". Also, he would lie about dice rolls, which is the worst offense a player can make.

We kicked him out of our group and became much more selective about who we let in. Nothing smaller than a C-Cup was a rule for a while, but sadly, no one would reply to those personal ads in craigslist...

GM rule 101: When a player cheats, cheat better.

I had a player who cheated on rolls with his ranger, strangely that night 4 orc barbarians snuck up on him that night and slaughtered him, strangely his rolls are honest now

Don't torque off the person with the god-like powers over the world. It's funny how all the random bad events and monsters target the guy who's d20 averages a 15.

It baffles me when people cheat in RPGs, there's nothing quite as fun as trying to dodge an incoming bug spirit leaping out of a person's chest then spending the rest of the combat rolling scatter dice you brought with you to determine what direction your character's muffled screaming body goes during the combat cuz you critically failed and it's latched onto your head. Or pulling back your claymore to invoke a righteous prayer of undead slaying only to have it bounce off of the minion wight's head doing 1 damage.

Or having very hard too see dices are rolling the furthest away from the GM (me) or the other players and having to rely on the not-known-that-much player's ethics to give you the correct results.

Then he never showed up because he and another player dropped as they had hockey games to watch

Haha wow when I used to DM I actually fudged the dice when I was rolling too well. I would roll a lot of 20's it seemed (only when DM'ing of course) and didn't want to kill the players off. It's sad for both the players and DM when some random encounter goblins beat you up and run of with all the gold and loot from a big dungeon, but to kill them as well is a little too harsh for me.

Anyway back to 40k.
Long story short: I was playing a fun Typhus and zombies list (not in it to win by any sort, and I mentioned that to him) he swaps out all his fusion and plasma for burst cannons on the fly while setting up. (which I didn't know he did until after when I commented on how little anti-tank he had) and tables me in three turns. He was going to win anyway with his jump shoot jump, he didn't need to tailor to me like that.

Do a lot of people do that? Swap weapons out if they see no tanks or lots of terminators etc.

only the Win at all costs guys .

 portugus wrote:

Long story short: I was playing a fun Typhus and zombies list (not in it to win by any sort, and I mentioned that to him) he swaps out all his fusion and plasma for burst cannons on the fly while setting up. (which I didn't know he did until after when I commented on how little anti-tank he had) and tables me in three turns. He was going to win anyway with his jump shoot jump, he didn't need to tailor to me like that.

Do a lot of people do that? Swap weapons out if they see no tanks or lots of terminators etc.

I've actually always wanted to run a "last stand" scenario with some fire warirors and an ethereal vs tons and tons of zombies. Maybe introduce some kind of "ammo rules" where my guns start running dry after so many shots (or Necromunda ammo checks).

I think that would be a good time for all involved...

 dementedwombat wrote:

 portugus wrote:

Long story short: I was playing a fun Typhus and zombies list (not in it to win by any sort, and I mentioned that to him) he swaps out all his fusion and plasma for burst cannons on the fly while setting up. (which I didn't know he did until after when I commented on how little anti-tank he had) and tables me in three turns. He was going to win anyway with his jump shoot jump, he didn't need to tailor to me like that.

Do a lot of people do that? Swap weapons out if they see no tanks or lots of terminators etc.

I've actually always wanted to run a "last stand" scenario with some fire warirors and an ethereal vs tons and tons of zombies. Maybe introduce some kind of "ammo rules" where my guns start running dry after so many shots (or Necromunda ammo checks).

I think that would be a good time for all involved...

I'd be completely game for that! Add some guardsmen in there as well and see what happens. Man now you got me thinking about doing an awesome last stand...

 Insane Smile wrote:

 dementedwombat wrote:

 portugus wrote:

Long story short: I was playing a fun Typhus and zombies list (not in it to win by any sort, and I mentioned that to him) he swaps out all his fusion and plasma for burst cannons on the fly while setting up. (which I didn't know he did until after when I commented on how little anti-tank he had) and tables me in three turns. He was going to win anyway with his jump shoot jump, he didn't need to tailor to me like that.

Do a lot of people do that? Swap weapons out if they see no tanks or lots of terminators etc.

I've actually always wanted to run a "last stand" scenario with some fire warirors and an ethereal vs tons and tons of zombies. Maybe introduce some kind of "ammo rules" where my guns start running dry after so many shots (or Necromunda ammo checks).

I think that would be a good time for all involved...

I'd be completely game for that! Add some guardsmen in there as well and see what happens. Man now you got me thinking about doing an awesome last stand...

If you do it in western Canada count me in - that sounds epic.

 mad_eddy_13 wrote:

 Insane Smile wrote:

 dementedwombat wrote:

 portugus wrote:

Long story short: I was playing a fun Typhus and zombies list (not in it to win by any sort, and I mentioned that to him) he swaps out all his fusion and plasma for burst cannons on the fly while setting up. (which I didn't know he did until after when I commented on how little anti-tank he had) and tables me in three turns. He was going to win anyway with his jump shoot jump, he didn't need to tailor to me like that.

Do a lot of people do that? Swap weapons out if they see no tanks or lots of terminators etc.

I've actually always wanted to run a "last stand" scenario with some fire warirors and an ethereal vs tons and tons of zombies. Maybe introduce some kind of "ammo rules" where my guns start running dry after so many shots (or Necromunda ammo checks).

I think that would be a good time for all involved...

I'd be completely game for that! Add some guardsmen in there as well and see what happens. Man now you got me thinking about doing an awesome last stand...

If you do it in western Canada count me in - that sounds epic.

This sounds like a great idea, but it seems we're all across the globe...

haha yeah i just moved to Hawaii. Otherwise I totally would bring my hoard. 210 zombies and I could use 140 guardsmen too if needed.

 Insane Smile wrote:

 mad_eddy_13 wrote:

 Insane Smile wrote:

 dementedwombat wrote:

 portugus wrote:

Long story short: I was playing a fun Typhus and zombies list (not in it to win by any sort, and I mentioned that to him) he swaps out all his fusion and plasma for burst cannons on the fly while setting up. (which I didn't know he did until after when I commented on how little anti-tank he had) and tables me in three turns. He was going to win anyway with his jump shoot jump, he didn't need to tailor to me like that.

Do a lot of people do that? Swap weapons out if they see no tanks or lots of terminators etc.

I've actually always wanted to run a "last stand" scenario with some fire warirors and an ethereal vs tons and tons of zombies. Maybe introduce some kind of "ammo rules" where my guns start running dry after so many shots (or Necromunda ammo checks).

I think that would be a good time for all involved...

I'd be completely game for that! Add some guardsmen in there as well and see what happens. Man now you got me thinking about doing an awesome last stand...

If you do it in western Canada count me in - that sounds epic.

This sounds like a great idea, but it seems we're all across the globe...

While this sounds great, perhaps it should be discussed in its own thread.

Edit; removed irrelevant stuff, wrong thread.

 Insane Smile wrote:

 mad_eddy_13 wrote:

 Insane Smile wrote:

 dementedwombat wrote:

 portugus wrote:

Long story short: I was playing a fun Typhus and zombies list (not in it to win by any sort, and I mentioned that to him) he swaps out all his fusion and plasma for burst cannons on the fly while setting up. (which I didn't know he did until after when I commented on how little anti-tank he had) and tables me in three turns. He was going to win anyway with his jump shoot jump, he didn't need to tailor to me like that.

Do a lot of people do that? Swap weapons out if they see no tanks or lots of terminators etc.

I've actually always wanted to run a "last stand" scenario with some fire warirors and an ethereal vs tons and tons of zombies. Maybe introduce some kind of "ammo rules" where my guns start running dry after so many shots (or Necromunda ammo checks).

I think that would be a good time for all involved...

I'd be completely game for that! Add some guardsmen in there as well and see what happens. Man now you got me thinking about doing an awesome last stand...

If you do it in western Canada count me in - that sounds epic.

This sounds like a great idea, but it seems we're all across the globe...

Suddenly a Startrek style transporter seems necessary

 PrinceRaven wrote:

 chaosvoices wrote:
his man is my friend, and I guess I can understand his loss, seeing as how he had just purchased it the day before. Ouch.

In my experience having just bought a model is a great way to guarantee its horrible demise in its first battle. Having just finished painting it acts in very much the same way.

Best time to be an Ork player.

Day 1, mate buys fancy new model.
Day 2, Orks destroy fancy new model easily, tearing it to shreads, to chagrin of friend. Ork player loudly and proudly announces that he is "looting" said new model.
Day 3, Ork player fields fancy new looted version of model and proceeds to tear friends army a new a.hole.

True story. Mate brought a Defiler, I smote it, I looted it, brought my own, modified it with awsome orkiness, and used it against him on our next game as a Deffdread.

He is my mate, so no more than a big WTF fit, but was certainly funny.

BladeSwinga wrote:


... stuff...

While this sounds great, perhaps it should be discussed in its own thread.

Feel free to throw up a "last stand scenario discussion thread". It's too late for me to write things up reasonably right now, it would just turn into rambling. I have some ideas but nothing concrete right now. Ideally I'd like it to be an actual scenario that's more open ended so more people can play.

The defender gets access to pretty much their entire army list, although I think maybe we need to put some limits on what they could bring (maybe look at the kill team restrictions). This is never meant to be a competitive scenario but some limits fit the theme. also like to add some kind of Necromunda type ammo roles (if you roll 1 to hit, roll a dice again, if you roll below the weapon's "ammo number" the weapon jams or runs dry and can't be used anymore. Of course all the cool weapons like flamers and assault cannons get ammo rolls of 5 or 6).

The attacker gets a ton of troop models without ranged attacks that can come back in from a board edge when wiped out and a few elite models ("special infected").

The objective of the game is just for the defender's warlord to be alive at the end of a certain number of turns, when the air support comes in, clears a LZ, and evacuates him/her/it

Could see pretty much any army being the defenders, attackers could of course be plague zombies, tyranids, feral orks, not as many options but some variety is there.

Loving this thread. Having played on and off since second edition, I read most of these posts and just nod recollecting similar stories.

I think one of the worst things that has happened with the hobby is the prevelence of the internet from a gaming perspective. Before you would see players with the same army come up with entirely different lists at tournaments, and there was less flavor of the month army transitioning. You were really rewarded for making solid lists. Today, thanks to the internet, people mathammer out the best lists almost as soon as the codex goes live, and for most armies there seems to be a template of what you do an don't take. Look over at the SoB codex thread with people calling it brilliant or rubbish before playing a single game. Or just look on the army list pages here, full of folks telling other players what their list should and shouldn't look like, even for casual stuff. Roll into tournaments and see multiple players with the same army, often playing the exact same list. The internet has seemed to have spawned a new breed of powergamer that only plays template lists pulled from very sites like this, chocked full of as much cheese as possible. While most of us here likely don't play that way, it has been discouraging lately seeing the lack of creativity with list building at tournaments over the last few years, particularly in 40k.

As for my worst story, I played in a tournament recently against a GK player in his 40's, that was a fairly established player at our shop, albiet one with a reputation for being a turd on occasion. After we set up, I stepped out to use the restroom and when I came back noticed my C'tan was missing from the table. The guy claimed I had never set one up, although I was dead certain I did. The shop owner and tournament ref got involved, and trying to call our bluff, told us to search his stuff even though no one accused him of stealing anything. Sure enough at the bottom of his backpack was my beautiful C'tan Deceiver staring right back at me. He naturally got DQ'd on the spot and is banned for life from the shop. I've dealt with immature players and powergamers over the almost 20 years I've been in the hobby, but never once has anyone tried to steal from me, right from the tabletop in a tournament no less, until this incident.

riburn3 wrote:
As for my worst story, I played in a tournament recently against a GK player in his 40's, that was a fairly established player at our shop, albiet one with a reputation for being a turd on occasion. After we set up, I stepped out to use the restroom and when I came back noticed my C'tan was missing from the table. The guy claimed I had never set one up, although I was dead certain I did. The shop owner and tournament ref got involved, and trying to call our bluff, told us to search his stuff even though no one accused him of stealing anything. Sure enough at the bottom of his backpack was my beautiful C'tan Deceiver staring right back at me. He naturally got DQ'd on the spot and is banned for life from the shop. I've dealt with immature players and powergamers over the almost 20 years I've been in the hobby, but never once has anyone tried to steal from me, right from the tabletop in a tournament no less, until this incident.

Wow, thats a new low if ever i saw one. If this happened to me I would be absolutely raging.

 DarthOvious wrote:

riburn3 wrote:
As for my worst story, I played in a tournament recently against a GK player in his 40's, that was a fairly established player at our shop, albiet one with a reputation for being a turd on occasion. After we set up, I stepped out to use the restroom and when I came back noticed my C'tan was missing from the table. The guy claimed I had never set one up, although I was dead certain I did. The shop owner and tournament ref got involved, and trying to call our bluff, told us to search his stuff even though no one accused him of stealing anything. Sure enough at the bottom of his backpack was my beautiful C'tan Deceiver staring right back at me. He naturally got DQ'd on the spot and is banned for life from the shop. I've dealt with immature players and powergamers over the almost 20 years I've been in the hobby, but never once has anyone tried to steal from me, right from the tabletop in a tournament no less, until this incident.

Wow, thats a new low if ever i saw one. If this happened to me I would be absolutely raging.

I think I was more shocked if anything. I'm probably the most calm wargamer there is, enjoying a loss as a learning experience just as much as a win, and it's really hard for someone to get under my skin. I didn't rage, I honestly just couldn't believe someone would be so stupid as to steal a model, let alone before we have even played a single turn. Pocket a lone necron warrior and I wouldn't have noticed. Take one of the centerpiece models away, it's pretty obvious. The guy didn't even apologize. Just threw his stuff in his box hastily and left. The real irony is he accidently left a nicely painted Librarian in a building that he probably forgot about. It's now sitting in my display case, wondering if it will ever be reclaimed.

Irony? No, riburn3, that's what I call Karma.

riburn3 wrote:

I think I was more shocked if anything. I'm probably the most calm wargamer there is, enjoying a loss as a learning experience just as much as a win, and it's really hard for someone to get under my skin. I didn't rage, I honestly just couldn't believe someone would be so stupid as to steal a model, let alone before we have even played a single turn. Pocket a lone necron warrior and I wouldn't have noticed. Take one of the centerpiece models away, it's pretty obvious. The guy didn't even apologize. Just threw his stuff in his box hastily and left. The real irony is he accidently left a nicely painted Librarian in a building that he probably forgot about. It's now sitting in my display case, wondering if it will ever be reclaimed.

I'd probably be shocked as well for a few seconds but then I would really be angry. Not to say that I would go ballistic or anything but I would certainly need to exert some control to make sure I didn't go overboard.

 Aeroroot wrote:
I had a grown adult try to play me with fake dice. Half way through the game when I started noticing how he rolled different dice for scatter than woundind. Grabbed a hold of his dice (not something I would ever do to other players: it's rude to touch without asking). The dice he used for damage had the 1's turned into 3's: he had hollowed out pips and painted them. His Scatter dice had 4's instead of 6's, and 3's instead of 5's. Not all of his dice mind you: only enough to give him an edge when rolling.

Wow one's life must be pathetic indeed if one has to fix dice in order to win at toy soldiers more often.

Skriker

Agreed Skriker, I think the worst Die related thing I ever encountered was someone yelling at me for "loaded" dice. I bought a sweet set of Wrought Iron Dice at the Local Renaissance Faire, horribly balanced and I never roll them, I use them for Deployment Markers because rolling them on anything that's not metal pretty much destroys them and they like to roll 3s due to being hand made. Anywho, I put them out on the table, and one of them is double punched with a 2 on one side because the guy hit the hammer twice. The guy is all flustered because I'm using dice and don't have nifty neon green sticks that say deployment zone, and when he sees that die goes on a rage about how I'm using mismarked dice and I must be a cheater! He actually went through every die I had to make sure they were legit, despite everyone at the store backing me up. Crazy weird, he was a cool guy though after he was certain I wasn't cheating him.

At my local shop we have a pretty good group of people. The unfortunate part is that a lot of kids just get dropped off their by their parents and we become defacto babysitters. One kid was probably like 14 or 15, which is too old to be babysat, but he had Asperger's Syndrome. Having a lot of other 14-15 year old kids in there and some 18-21's that acted 14-15 this poor kid got picked on a lot. Being as I'm one of the oldest (I'm only 26...) I decided to set the example and treat the dude with respect. This was pretty difficult because he was actually very annoying but I still don't like the way people had been treating him. I also curbed the teasing and tried to get people to include him more. He had an incident during a seperate card game tournament that involved screaming, kicking walls, and stomping on the floor enough to cause damage. He was banned, haven't seen him since and honestly, I feel bad about it.

The one that upsets me are people that hit on my wife. First of all, she's wearing a wedding ring. Like an obvious wedding ring, I understand that they might be 15 and not understand that or be able to pick out a clue like that, but come on, she's 30... Second of all, after she's said something like, "I'm flattered, but I'm married, and that's my husband over there," PLEASE STOP HITTING ON HER FROM THAT TIME FORWARD. Granted I don't really have to do anything about it since she's an adult and can fight her own battles but it really weirds me out when you say something creepy to my wife and then want to play a game with me.

 Brennus43 wrote:
Being as I'm one of the oldest (I'm only 26...) I decided to set the example and treat the dude with respect.

The one that upsets me are people that hit on my wife. First of all, she's wearing a wedding ring. Like an obvious wedding ring, I understand that they might be 15 and not understand that or be able to pick out a clue like that, but come on, she's 30... Second of all, after she's said something like, "I'm flattered, but I'm married, and that's my husband over there," PLEASE STOP HITTING ON HER FROM THAT TIME FORWARD. Granted I don't really have to do anything about it since she's an adult and can fight her own battles but it really weirds me out when you say something creepy to my wife and then want to play a game with me.

Agreed...once the woman says no thanks it is time to move along, especially when she points to her husband in the store with her. Of course no one accused everyone in game stores as having any clues about social interaction, especially with women. Luckily my FLGS does a lot of board gaming and Saturday nights the store has a very high percentage of female players in house so it has less of the "Oh my gawrsh it's a female" issues most of the time.

Also kudos to you for taking the high road and trying to do your best and set an example of respect for others. We have a young pair of brothers who have played in our Flames of War leagues a lot in recent years. When they started they were like 9 and 12 and now are 11 and 14. There father is always there when they are playing, but they are good kids. They behave well and they win AND lose well also. Their father is always thanking us for treating the kids so well and accepting them into the group. The kids are well behaved and love the game as much as the rest of us. No reason to thank us. Brats are not accepted very well, though being a brat, as this thread shows, has nothing to do with the age of the player.

Skriker

BladeSwinga wrote:

 Insane Smile wrote:

 mad_eddy_13 wrote:

 Insane Smile wrote:

 dementedwombat wrote:

 portugus wrote:

Long story short: I was playing a fun Typhus and zombies list (not in it to win by any sort, and I mentioned that to him) he swaps out all his fusion and plasma for burst cannons on the fly while setting up. (which I didn't know he did until after when I commented on how little anti-tank he had) and tables me in three turns. He was going to win anyway with his jump shoot jump, he didn't need to tailor to me like that.

Do a lot of people do that? Swap weapons out if they see no tanks or lots of terminators etc.

I've actually always wanted to run a "last stand" scenario with some fire warirors and an ethereal vs tons and tons of zombies. Maybe introduce some kind of "ammo rules" where my guns start running dry after so many shots (or Necromunda ammo checks).

I think that would be a good time for all involved...

I'd be completely game for that! Add some guardsmen in there as well and see what happens. Man now you got me thinking about doing an awesome last stand...

If you do it in western Canada count me in - that sounds epic.

This sounds like a great idea, but it seems we're all across the globe...

While this sounds great, perhaps it should be discussed in its own thread.

Edit; removed irrelevant stuff, wrong thread.

Very fair point, here's the new one- http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/559571.page#6182148