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 bullyboy wrote:
It's really not complicated. We know that more marines are coming before psychic awakening, and we know sisters are coming in November. I would personally like them to move the marine releases forward so that we can get engaged with awakening and the sisters release. It's not about wah, wah, where are my marines, it's more about let's wrap this release up and get to awakening and the new sisters? Pretty simple really.


And plastic banshees! We must forget about new plastic shiny banshees!!! (and possibly/hopefully other aspects)
Much frustrated with the filthy imperium taking their sweet time getting released while the noble and bestest xenos have to wait for their release spot!

I think it will be a case of 2 books each month and topping the year off with the sisters release followed up by the first campaign book or two.
That would be plenty of time and choice to extract ££££ from Christmas budgets.

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


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 Argive wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:
It's really not complicated. We know that more marines are coming before psychic awakening, and we know sisters are coming in November. I would personally like them to move the marine releases forward so that we can get engaged with awakening and the sisters release. It's not about wah, wah, where are my marines, it's more about let's wrap this release up and get to awakening and the new sisters? Pretty simple really.


And plastic banshees! We must forget about new plastic shiny banshees!!! (and possibly/hopefully other aspects)
Much frustrated with the filthy imperium taking their sweet time getting released while the noble and bestest xenos have to wait for their release spot!


noble and bestest xenos? Is GW putting out some dead Xenos base decorations? when was this announced?

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BrianDavion wrote:
this would be like sisters being previewed a bunch of stuff, getting their codex and a handful of new stuff (mostly expensive characters) and then... nothing, with no clue when the bulk of the new stuff they want is out. it is frustrating as it means people are in a holding pattern I think anyone would be frustrated if they where hyped at something being an imminant release and then the rleease wave was put on pause to sell.. random stuff. I mean... did we really need a new kill team box RIGHT NOW?


The models missing from the general SM codex will be out shortly, there is almost no chance they will not. Probably before the end of the September, and definitely by the end of the year. Shrike will be released alongside the Raven Guard book. GW doesn't show off new stuff coming out and then not release it unless it's going to be relatively soon. They do this all the time with specialist games where they preview something without a release date at all, and they are almost always out within three months. I'm sure they will get released a lot faster than a Blood Bowl team would too as they are Space Marines and everyone and their mother buys them. When the first Blood Bowl book came out for the new edition only three of the seven teams were released alongside it. All the other teams people had to wait up to years for (Wood Elves). GW has never done this with 40k, excepting when they used to put things in the books that they didn't make models for, so I don't know why people are thinking otherwise?

Sisters is a bit of a different story as Sisters players have been waiting almost two decades for new models, as opposed to the few weeks people have been waiting since the Space Marine announcement.

As for the Kill Team box, it is really easy to package existing products that are already in the warehouse. Not to mention people have been asking for a new Kill Team starter since the last one sold out almost immediately after release, so I really don't see a problem with releasing it now.

I'm saying this as someone who doesn't play or collect 40k, Kill Team, Sisters, Marines, etc. The models will arrive shortly, that is almost a given. The new books? Well that one is a who knows, but I think it would have been a better use of GWs time to just add 20 pages and 5 USD to the new book with special relics, traits, characters, and doctrines for each founding chapter and avoid all this silly "every chapter need it's own book" nonsense.


 
   
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Voss wrote:


GW's own previews have established what's coming for supplements- more books, more primarized characters, more chapter sprues

Please show me the GW previews showing more Primarised characters noting that this rumour was announced before Shrike was revealed and specifically called out Shrike as a Primarised character.

You can claim 'it was obvious it wuz gna be Shrike tho!!1' all you like but hindsight is 20/20.

I'm still not sure why you're here to be honest. The 5 things I have stated add validity to this rumour absolutely have happened, unfortunately your own lack of understanding has made you question this.


Voss wrote:

My claim is YOU can't prove that his claims are validated when none the five listed things have happened yet.
Here's my post again, for clarity. You might want to read it again if you think none of these things have happened. I've bolded and added a bit of text to help you understand why you're wrong a little easier.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I think this rumour has slightly more credence with the psychic awakening trailer/announcement that, admittedly told us little but a few things stood out to me.

1. Orks and specifically "the Beast" were mentioned. [Correct]
2. Black Templar ships featured in the trailer. [Correct]
3. The article regarding psychic awakening states that there will be new models as part of the campaign and we know those models may be infantry as the first release is plastic banshees. [Correct]
4. The two month release schedule for the SM codex supplements seems correct.
5. Though potentially obvious with all the hints, Shrike was indeed the Raven Guard character to be "Primaris-ised". [Correct]

All in all I think the items above bode well for the legitimacy of this rumour, though it will need to be taken with a pinch of salt until we know more.

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I had a good chuckle when I read marine players lamenting their woes and unfortunate lot in life. A good joke to pass the time.

Then I realised it was actual marine players, and they were serious!

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Eh, I am rapidly approaching just ignoring the rest of this release altogether. Enthusiasm is waning. They had their hooks in me before, things have changed. I am looking at fun stuff to do with my existing models rather than getting new kits at this point.

Congrats, GW, you pissed this one down your leg.


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Might actually get some paint on those models then!

I know it has only been twelve years since Dire Avengers came out, and I know that the Eldar are just getting way too much attention, but if GW can just see it in their hearts to just make the FIFTEEN kits Eldar need to round out their list, then everyone can finally forget about Eldar and get back to doing what is important - pining for the 1,583rd Space Marine kit.
   
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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Voss wrote:


GW's own previews have established what's coming for supplements- more books, more primarized characters, more chapter sprues

Please show me the GW previews showing more Primarised characters noting that this rumour was announced before Shrike was revealed and specifically called out Shrike as a Primarised character.

You can claim 'it was obvious it wuz gna be Shrike tho!!1' all you like but hindsight is 20/20.

I'm still not sure why you're here to be honest. The 5 things I have stated add validity to this rumour absolutely have happened, unfortunately your own lack of understanding has made you question this.


Voss wrote:

My claim is YOU can't prove that his claims are validated when none the five listed things have happened yet.
Here's my post again, for clarity. You might want to read it again if you think none of these things have happened. I've bolded and added a bit of text to help you understand why you're wrong a little easier.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I think this rumour has slightly more credence with the psychic awakening trailer/announcement that, admittedly told us little but a few things stood out to me.

1. Orks and specifically "the Beast" were mentioned. [Correct]
2. Black Templar ships featured in the trailer. [Correct]
3. The article regarding psychic awakening states that there will be new models as part of the campaign and we know those models may be infantry as the first release is plastic banshees. [Correct]
4. The two month release schedule for the SM codex supplements seems correct.
5. Though potentially obvious with all the hints, Shrike was indeed the Raven Guard character to be "Primaris-ised". [Correct]

All in all I think the items above bode well for the legitimacy of this rumour, though it will need to be taken with a pinch of salt until we know more.


Wrong list of five things:
YOU in the OP wrote:. Marine supplements will be spaced roughly 2 months apart.
2. Iron Hands and Raven Guard next supplement releases apparently.
3. Every chapter will be getting an upgrade sprue.
4. Black Templars vs Orks next box set.
5. Ghazghkull is getting a new model.


1) 2 months between supplements? Don't know yet. Nothing 'seems to be on track' yet as we've yet to have the second batch of supplements. Hasn't happened yet
2) Sure. And when it happens we'll know for sure. RG seems obvious now, and IH was the foremost candidate as that IH primaris techmarine image has been floating around for months. Likely, but hasn't happened yet.
3) Obvious from the get go, given the IF ones back in December and the new ones for WS, and preview images for IH. So I guess technically you can claim this is in the process of happening
4) Hasn't happened yet, no supporting material to say it will.
5) Hasn't happened yet, no supporting material to say it will.

I've no idea why you're so bent out of shape that I'm pointing out the time proceeds in a linear fashion and nothing is confirmed until it happens, but whatever.

Though Shrike was pretty obvious as soon as they dug up Khan and took away his bike. Simple pattern recognition isn't hard either: supplement+primarized character+chapter sprue.

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 Fayric wrote:
I had a good chuckle when I read marine players lamenting their woes and unfortunate lot in life. A good joke to pass the time.

Then I realised it was actual marine players, and they were serious!


Good thing they play marines and not non-marine faction where you can be lucky to get 1 model in 2 years time

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Voss wrote:
I've no idea why you're so bent out of shape that I'm pointing out the time proceeds in a linear fashion and nothing is confirmed until it happens, but whatever.


Why you'd feel the need to point that out in the rumour section of Dakka though is anyone's guess.
   
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Voss wrote:

I've no idea why you're so bent out of shape that I'm pointing out the time proceeds in a linear fashion and nothing is confirmed until it happens, but whatever.


Thanks for that. Who knew? Any more brilliant contributions to this thread?

Though Shrike was pretty obvious as soon as they dug up Khan and took away his bike. Simple pattern recognition isn't hard either: supplement+primarized character+chapter sprue.

I guess not.
   
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If the box has Thraka then I imagine itd have Goff Orks. Then apparently the marines are BT? Two predomnantly black armies in the same box? Seems unlkely

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I'm not going to re-read the lunacy that is the last few pages of this thread, but I'd be very surprised if anyone actually said that. Even that one guy banging on about how relatively difficult it might be for an Inquisitor to acquire power armour, I don't think even that guy said that.
 
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
Yes, it's taken awhile for Sisters to get released. But we know they're coming out in November with the boxed set. We don't, however, have any real clue whatsoever when the remaining four supplements with characters and Chapter specific Stratagems come out.

For decades we didn't have any clue when Sisters of Battle would come out. And when they were announced, we still had to wait for quite some time before getting any release date. We still don't have a release date for everything, just for the box. And it's been like, what, a year?
Call me back when you have waited for a year for your releases, marine.

 Kanluwen wrote:
And bluntly, you'd be in here complaining no matter how things shake out.

Well aren't you the one complaining here? About GW not releasing the marine kits fast enough, and about them not giving a release date?

 Kanluwen wrote:
So maybe I should just hope the same thing happens to you, with the Codex parted out into supplements and a release schedule that is incredibly stretched out.

Jokes on you then, because playing this game you won't get any new release for 15 years!

Quasistellar wrote:
Well now I definitely hope that all the sisters models in the collector's edition box can only be found there, and you won't be able to buy them in any other fashion for at least 6 months, lol

Wow, that's hard!
Well, I hope your rules (basic rules not subfaction rules) are only available in an old, unavailable White Dward for several years then! I know it's definitely not as bad, sure but it's something, right?

BrianDavion wrote:
this would be like sisters being previewed a bunch of stuff, getting their codex and a handful of new stuff (mostly expensive characters) and then... nothing, with no clue when the bulk of the new stuff they want is out.

Do you mean like, we would get new models, and a full codex? Where I come from we call that plenty lol .
Marines players, so out of touch.

BrianDavion wrote:
I mean... did we really need a new kill team box RIGHT NOW?

Did we really need TWO waves of primaris marines before new Sisters of Battle? Or was that THREE?

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/02/space-marines-faq-now-livegw-homepage-post-2/

Codex & supplement FAQs are apparently up, but I don't see them listed in the FAQs page just yet.

edit: they just amended the links to be the PDF downloads rather than the online store

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/warhammer_40000_space_marines_en.pdf

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/warhammer_40000_White_Scars_en.pdf

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/warhammer_40000_ultramarines_en.pdf

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Gathering the Informations.

FAQ wrote:Q. If I upgrade my Captain in Phobos Armour to be a Chapter Master, should the Infiltrator Comms Array still work with this model, and with its Chapter Master ability instead of Rites of Battle?
A: No.

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 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
If the box has Thraka then I imagine itd have Goff Orks. Then apparently the marines are BT? Two predomnantly black armies in the same box? Seems unlkely


One big mistake you are making. You seem to think that GW understands orkz and their rules/fluff. I use every Ork Box set as an example of them not knowing wtf they are doing I especially love our 2 brand new Apocalypse Box Sets. 3 Stompas (Because 1 isn't bad enough by itself) and 6 Kanz and 2 dreadz with a Big Mek and a little mek.

If Ghaz gets a new model he will be released with Blood Axes because reasons. Possibly with a Tau strikeforce as allies as well.

 Tomsug wrote:
Semper krumps under the radar

 
   
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Couple of big points in the FAQ....strats can't be used on DAs, BAs etc, even if SM detachment taken. White Scars WT Master of Snares cannot force a plane with minimum movement to crash and be destroyed. And finally addressed UM chapter tactic so that models with Fly do not get the -1 to hit after falling back.

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haha hats awesome... so you can use a drop pod as a blocker OR if you need stuff in a place and your opponent is screening you can keep the doors up and have less of a footprint

 
   
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 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
If the box has Thraka then I imagine itd have Goff Orks. Then apparently the marines are BT? Two predomnantly black armies in the same box? Seems unlkely

The rumour source did not suggest that the new Thrakka model would be in the new box.
   
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 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
If the box has Thraka then I imagine itd have Goff Orks. Then apparently the marines are BT? Two predomnantly black armies in the same box? Seems unlkely


Ghaz won't be in the box. It'll be like the box with Abaddon rumour where there was a box and then Abaddon came out later but as part of the same overall release.
   
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Gathering the Informations.

JSG wrote:
 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
If the box has Thraka then I imagine itd have Goff Orks. Then apparently the marines are BT? Two predomnantly black armies in the same box? Seems unlkely


Ghaz won't be in the box. It'll be like the box with Abaddon rumour where there was a box and then Abaddon came out later but as part of the same overall release.

At the same time, there is a possibility of Ghaz in the box.

The Blight War set for AoS came with Naeve Blacktalon and Horticulus Slimux, both named characters. Although Naeve's model is, sadly, also their "go to" for a Knight-Zephyros(which is a shame as the concept had some great potential for alternate builds).
Wrath and Rapture came with Karanak too.

Not saying it's a 100% guarantee, just that the possibility at least exists. A Grimaldus and Ghaz box with all new sculpts for both sides could be feasible ala Wrath and Rapture.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
JSG wrote:
 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
If the box has Thraka then I imagine itd have Goff Orks. Then apparently the marines are BT? Two predomnantly black armies in the same box? Seems unlkely


Ghaz won't be in the box. It'll be like the box with Abaddon rumour where there was a box and then Abaddon came out later but as part of the same overall release.

At the same time, there is a possibility of Ghaz in the box.

The Blight War set for AoS came with Naeve Blacktalon and Horticulus Slimux, both named characters. Although Naeve's model is, sadly, also their "go to" for a Knight-Zephyros(which is a shame as the concept had some great potential for alternate builds).
Wrath and Rapture came with Karanak too.

Not saying it's a 100% guarantee, just that the possibility at least exists. A Grimaldus and Ghaz box with all new sculpts for both sides could be feasible ala Wrath and Rapture.

As much as I'd love this to be true, I just can't see it.

I think both Ghaz and Grim are too big as characters to be provided in a box. I reckon both will be separate. They're a cut above Karanak and Horticulus Slimux in terms of importance, representing the pinnacle of what it is to be their faction.
   
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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
As much as I'd love this to be true, I just can't see it.

I think both Ghaz and Grim are too big as characters to be provided in a box. I reckon both will be separate. They're a cut above Karanak and Horticulus Slimux in terms of importance, representing the pinnacle of what it is to be their faction.

Well, that, but also big in size. I want Ghaz to be redemptor-sized damnit! Just give him 16 wounds and the ability to use ork boyz like a shield for incoming fire
   
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PiñaColada wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
As much as I'd love this to be true, I just can't see it.

I think both Ghaz and Grim are too big as characters to be provided in a box. I reckon both will be separate. They're a cut above Karanak and Horticulus Slimux in terms of importance, representing the pinnacle of what it is to be their faction.

Well, that, but also big in size. I want Ghaz to be redemptor-sized damnit! Just give him 16 wounds and the ability to use ork boyz like a shield for incoming fire


Bring back Makari da banna waivuh, and make few new named grots to go with him and serve as ghazzy’s “elite honor guard”. Give them a 5+ armor save, give them extra Attacks that they won’t get to use anyways, and give them the grot shield strat as an aura that only affects ghazzy. All for like 2ppm more than normal grots.

It’d be funny as hell, butt if they do anything like that it’ll be expensive nob bodyguards, or a stratagem that lets him use boyz as shields too.
   
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 zend wrote:
Bring back Makari da banna waivuh, and make few new named grots to go with him and serve as ghazzy’s “elite honor guard”. Give them a 5+ armor save, give them extra Attacks that they won’t get to use anyways, and give them the grot shield strat as an aura that only affects ghazzy. All for like 2ppm more than normal grots.

It’d be funny as hell, butt if they do anything like that it’ll be expensive nob bodyguards, or a stratagem that lets him use boyz as shields too.

Don't go wavin' around that name, I don't have any napkins nearby and it's considered odd to start crying on an online forum about toy soldiers
   
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But less likely as they are big established characters (I.e. can charge £40/50 for him, and £15/20 for Grimaldus).
So wouldn’t want to stick it in a deal box.
(Same as the thing I say all the time when people wonder whether there will be a SC box with all the new units that come out, at release.) They just can make lots more doing it separate etc.
   
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Danny76 wrote:
But less likely as they are big established characters (I.e. can charge £40/50 for him, and £15/20 for Grimaldus).
So wouldn’t want to stick it in a deal box.
(Same as the thing I say all the time when people wonder whether there will be a SC box with all the new units that come out, at release.) They just can make lots more doing it separate etc.


Grimaldus is £25.50 already!
   
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PiñaColada wrote:
 zend wrote:
Bring back Makari da banna waivuh, and make few new named grots to go with him and serve as ghazzy’s “elite honor guard”. Give them a 5+ armor save, give them extra Attacks that they won’t get to use anyways, and give them the grot shield strat as an aura that only affects ghazzy. All for like 2ppm more than normal grots.

It’d be funny as hell, butt if they do anything like that it’ll be expensive nob bodyguards, or a stratagem that lets him use boyz as shields too.

Don't go wavin' around that name, I don't have any napkins nearby and it's considered odd to start crying on an online forum about toy soldiers




You say that, but I’ve after reading posts from Space Marine players I think it’s okay to let out a few tears for poor Makari....
   
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If templars get a character in a box set, the most iconic and logical would be an emperors champion. Orks could use a wyrdboy boy in plastic .
   
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They edited the Marine FAQ article and added this new PDF:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/warhammer_40000_space_marines_errata_en.pdf

It adds Angels of Death and Chaplain rules to various Index units
   
 
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