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I went the plasticard route for my 3D chapter symbols ( of course I cast them afterwards in resin but thats neither here nor there ) and they came out all right. Like so....



Definitely pack more of a punch than painted ones IMHO


Oh and I know nothing about ninja swords

The rhino looks great gits but dont recognise it im guessing its a RT rhino? the shading came out great i think and i like the chapter symbol blackhand...o yea thanks to your advice i started my own P&M bout my salamanders

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/339521.page


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Hey Polari, good luck with your blog! Yes, is a Mark 1 rhino/razorback... in keeping with the theme of my army.

Thanks for the example BLACKHAND. I think I'll go to the plasticard route, though I don't expect mine to be too deep, just enough to set it off from the background and make it easy to paint!



Here is tonight's progress. All green doors and hatches and one of the turrets complete. The front hatch isn't attached yet so if you guys prefer the double doors I can switch them out.

You are getting superb results with the airbrush, especially considering you have not got it very long. Gorgeous Zenithal on that tank, I especially like the front panels which have had the shading flipped to really make them stick out Impressive!

Edit: And you have a new pic directly after I post, goddamnit gits. Looking even better, and I realise it must be the back that has the 2 panels not the front, which shows my knowledge of 40k >< Are you going to use red as the main clashing colour on this the same as on the marines?

That's looking great. You've inspired me to try airbrushing my Grey Knights when they finally come out in April

It's a bit late to try the zeinthal highlighting on my guard tanks though... maybe next time!

Mmmmm lovey!

I personally prefer the 2 plates to the front wedge, especially given there's one on the back already (at least thats what i gathered from the pics! )

Keep it up!

Ifalna wrote:You are getting superb results with the airbrush, especially considering you have not got it very long. Gorgeous Zenithal on that tank, I especially like the front panels which have had the shading flipped to really make them stick out Impressive!

Edit: And you have a new pic directly after I post, goddamnit gits. Looking even better, and I realise it must be the back that has the 2 panels not the front, which shows my knowledge of 40k >< Are you going to use red as the main clashing colour on this the same as on the marines?

Actually Iffy, I pulled a bit of trickeration on you. There are two identical vehicles that I'm painting. The other one has the two doors, for this one I thought I'd experiment with the single hatch... though I also have a set of double doors painted up for it so I can choose either.

So, one vote for the double doors... anyone else have a preference? Perhaps I should wait until I get the other turret painted up so it's a fair comparison...

Another great tank. One question though is this actually Zenithal highlighting or is it colour modulation? Or are they the same thing?

On the door vote I think you should keep both. I like the double plates for the rhinos, but for the razorbacks and especially things like preds I prefer the centred view port. Also it helps to maintain that little bit of variety whilst still appearing as a unified force.

Final question Gits, have you seen the Chapterhouse MK1 up/downgrades for the Mk2 rhinos. If so what are your thoughts on them? Do you think you'd use some to maintain the Mk1 vehicle theme?

Lennysmash wrote:Another great tank. One question though is this actually Zenithal highlighting or is it colour modulation? Or are they the same thing?

I'll be honest Len, I'm not sure myself. I know in some of the videos I've watched it's referred to as zenithal lighting and in others it's color modulation. Whatever it is... it's a pretty striking effect. I didn't do it exactly correctly... but for a first go using the airbrush I think it's working out OK. Next time (if I ever do another vehicle) I'll have a plan going in rather than just making it up as I go along as I did here.

On the door vote I think you should keep both. I like the double plates for the rhinos, but for the razorbacks and especially things like preds I prefer the centred view port. Also it helps to maintain that little bit of variety whilst still appearing as a unified force.

My current thought is to do one of each (i.e. one razorback has two doors, the other has the hatch) for the reason you state. But I thought I'd get the pulse of the group to see if there was an overwhelming sentiment one way or the other.

Final question Gits, have you seen the Chapterhouse MK1 up/downgrades for the Mk2 rhinos. If so what are your thoughts on them? Do you think you'd use some to maintain the Mk1 vehicle theme?

Our Adepticon team debated this a lot as we are doing a Badab War era army with the 4 rebel chapters... and in the end we didn't quite come to a uniform decision (just too much variability in the models each of us had available or were interested in). I chose a hard line interpretation based on my origins in 40k two decades ago... thus wherever possible, I'm using original RT/1st Ed figures... which are luckily still available. Notable exceptions are the drop pods (which didn't exist as models until much later) and my dreadnoughts as the old versions weren't really compatible with the current rules and were God-awful ugly.

I like the Chapterhouse conversion kits. I think that if you put one of these original Rhinos next to a modern, converted Rhino you wouldn't really confuse the two, the new vehicles are just so different than the old. However, if you put a converted, modern Rhino in with a bunch of non-converted modern ones... I think you'd very much have the feel of the older vehicles.

interesting comment above. I am starting to really like these old models! needa find some for my own armies!

Tonight's progress. Airbrushing is basically done at this point save a little blackening around the area where the exhaust pipes will go on the one.

nice

looking very snazzy there Gits. The yellow hatches really 'pop' with the green. Great work. Can't wait to see 'em finished.

You trickerated me good :(

They both look great, it's not a case of the double hatch looking nicer than the single at all.

How were you finding the learning curve with the airbrush? I have my heart set on one for the future as there is no way I could have one in the apt I am living in right now, but its always a worry that I might never get the hang of using one. You seem to be getting really nice results with it after only having it a while, did you go through a lot of duds first or is the learning curve not as horrible as I envision?

Beautiful tanks Gits, your setting the standards pretty high for the rest of your army too

very nice
are those the original las-plas turrets? if so, where can i get them?

Looking good, the yellow really pops!

CalasTyphon216 wrote:very nice
are those the original las-plas turrets? if so, where can i get them?

1993! Seriously though I think Gits already had these. Check out Ebay and dakka or any other gaming swap shop

those look awesome. So how many points are the mantis warriors now?

Thanks everyone. I must admit they came out better than I anticipated.

Ifalna wrote:How were you finding the learning curve with the airbrush? I have my heart set on one for the future as there is no way I could have one in the apt I am living in right now, but its always a worry that I might never get the hang of using one. You seem to be getting really nice results with it after only having it a while, did you go through a lot of duds first or is the learning curve not as horrible as I envision?

The very early stages were a bit rough, only because I was very unsure of myself. Wasn't sure how thin the paint should be, or how to clean the brush, how thick to spray it on, etc. But, I kept asking questions on dakka and watching "how to" vids that I could find on youtube... I did have the one "practice" piece in the form of that old plastic drop pod, but then I finally dove in and started painting models. I started by spending quite a bit of time just basecoating or directional highlighting my sons' necrons and gene stealers. I think that was pivotal in the learning process as it was simple to do & gave good results, thus gave me confidence. It wasn't hard to figure out and very quick... and especially with the Necrons (painted 48 figures) I got a lot of repetition. Even though what I was doing was very simple, it allowed me get familiar with the feeling of the brush in my hand and the use of the control at my fingertip.

Inushi was the next project. Single mini basically basecoated and top-down sprayed like the necrons, but with my first real attempts in the shoulder pad and back pack areas to do some careful pin-point blending. The needle I have is a bit big for this on a single figure, but it got me thinking that I could actually pull it off (it wasn't as hard as I'd feared). I had a lot of trepidation leading into the razorbacks, but I got on the "you tubes" and watched the two most helpful video series 2 or 3 more times over the course of a couple of days, then threw myself at the razorbacks.

I found the blending on the tanks to be surprisingly easy. The surfaces are huge (when compared to a necron warrior or marine pad) and with the videos in mind it was a fairly simple process to mimic the techniques. Air brush paint is also very thin and forgiving, so if you mess up it's easy to give it another go. I think I review the vids one again after starting the process just to get a little more confidence, but that was it.

CalasTyphon216 wrote:very nice
are those the original las-plas turrets? if so, where can i get them?

I found both these vehicles on e-bay. I even have one extra double las turret! They weren't cheap... but about the price you'd pay if you bought a new razorback. Both were new in box, I was very lucky to find them exactly when I needed them. One of the blisters was missing the gunner, but I was planning on scratch building them out of old beakie parts anyway since the gunners are in early Mk-7 armor.

shrike wrote:those look awesome. So how many points are the mantis warriors now?

According to Army Builder... 1167, but it's not a legal list as there are no HQ's and too many elites (and no painted troops to go in the razorbacks). This is just the newly painted stuff of course... I probably have over 2500 points in painted Mantis Warriors, but that's my old stuff which is not up to current standards.

Edit:

Dug out all of the figures that I felt were painted well enough to run with this army. Ignoring the fact that I have one too many elite slots (MoTF will fix this), I have 1610 pts painted with most of that being able to be fielded in a single legal army. I'm using the swapped marines on the right to staff the razorbacks (and ignoring the fact that some are armed with disallowed weaponry). You can see the difference in greens between the two dreads and the razorbacks & Inushi... I'm just not going to deal with that, those figures will have to stand as is. I'll stick with the razorback/Inushi green from now on.

nice group shot!

Looking good.

Hey Gits, would you please post closer pics of your Lamenters you swapped for if you get a chance?

Fifty wrote:Hey Gits, would you please post closer pics of your Lamenters you swapped for if you get a chance?

Here they are. Painted by Solar_lion...



The blue background tints the yellow towards green a bit... but they are a clean yellow color.

What do you use to mix your paints in (color mixes as well as thinning) before putting them in the airbrush?

are those plasma guns by the side of those razorback's? is that old skool or a Gitversion?

@ Fatty, It's an old school original razorback kit, heavy metal baby lol-

@Gits, I love how they have turned out! The only criticism I have at the moment, (which may not be a crit at all if it isnt done) is the bottom part of the front armor plate of the turrets being flat green. Are you going to paint them yellow? If so all good, if not, I would suggest continuing the gradient, for some reason my eye keeps getting drawn there!

Another suggestion would be sponge chipping, I find the effect (with a nice charcoal brown or dark grey) really compliments airbrushing and is ridiculously quick to implement, you could do both razors in 5 minutes, no joke! If you decide to take it further, another round of chipping in a khaki green color in the same areas as the dark chipping, combined with edge highlights along the bottom edge of the chips in your highlight green color will look AMAZING. Even doing an advanced version of the technique, you are prob only looking at an hour of work at worst!

HE

Ramos Asura wrote:What do you use to mix your paints in (color mixes as well as thinning) before putting them in the airbrush?

I mix them in the little bowl on top of my airbrush.

fatty wrote:are those plasma guns by the side of those razorback's? is that old skool or a Gitversion?

As mentioned, those are the original lead/tin turrets... and they do weigh a ton (yep, it's a las/plas).

MajorTom11 wrote:@Gits, I love how they have turned out! The only criticism I have at the moment, (which may not be a crit at all if it isnt done) is the bottom part of the front armor plate of the turrets being flat green. Are you going to paint them yellow? If so all good, if not, I would suggest continuing the gradient, for some reason my eye keeps getting drawn there!

Took me a minute to figure out what you were referring to. These aren't anywhere near done... I'm just trying to finish the airbrushing part of the job. Brush painting is next (currently in progress). I had planned to do those in kind of a bronzy metallic that I was going to do the rest of the metal reinforcing in, but yellow is not a bad idea either. I'll give it some thought.

MajorTom11 wrote:Another suggestion would be sponge chipping, I find the effect (with a nice charcoal brown or dark grey) really compliments airbrushing and is ridiculously quick to implement, you could do both razors in 5 minutes, no joke! If you decide to take it further, another round of chipping in a khaki green color in the same areas as the dark chipping, combined with edge highlights along the bottom edge of the chips in your highlight green color will look AMAZING. Even doing an advanced version of the technique, you are prob only looking at an hour of work at worst!

This is a great idea... but I'm a little unsure about the technique. I've tried it, but can't find a sponge that seems to provide the right size dings. I'll do some experimenting and see what I can come up with.

inmygravenimage wrote:HE

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Done a number of things so far today that have kept me very busy, but almost nothing you'd notice. I'll keep plugging away at it. I have a 3-day weekend and would like to have these done when I go back to work on Tuesday, but that's a pretty tall order. There's still so much to do. Will post a progress shot tonight.

Cheers for the Lamenters.