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I am what you would call pretty price insensitive. I buy just about anything I want, when I want it without batting an eyelash. When they raised the price of Terminators to $50 for 5 plastic models, I did not think it was to bad in spite of the outcry.

But tonight I was stunned at GWs prices for the very first time. I was looking at the Eldar range and I was thinking about buying 3 vibro-cannons to keep the IG players on their toes, and I was wondering what it would cost. An Eldar Heavy Support cost $33. So to purchase 3 of them it comes out to $100!

$100 for 6 models and 3 cannons and are a 150 point unit?

All I could say is Wow!

Yep , very expensive.
But supposedly you are paying for... a game , a hobby, insurance it'll be around etc etc.

so people say.

Why are you paying GW prices when you don't have to Blackmoor?

Even with Maelstroms savings. Your still looknig to spend at least £100 GBP to get enough to play a game. But still its a good way to go if you want to save. i saved a bundle buying wraithguqard off Maelstrom. Then realaised i only use 4 of them out of the 8 i bought
John.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Why are you paying GW prices when you don't have to Blackmoor?

I have been in the hobby for quite some time, so I never do pay retail, I just use GWs site to check what their price is.

I was just shocked at the retail price that GW expects people to pay for them.

Blackmoor wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Why are you paying GW prices when you don't have to Blackmoor?

I have been in the hobby for quite some time, so I never do pay retail, I just use GWs site to check what their price is.

I was just shocked at the retail price that GW expects people to pay for them.

Yes the MSRP is really shocking , even with the discounts from online sites , its only some what tolerable .

Blackmoor wrote:I was just shocked at the retail price that GW expects people to pay for them.

Compared to us Aussies, you guys get your stuff cheap. You want a real shock? Put that little country selector thingy to 'Australia'.

When I got into 40k towards the tail end of 3rd edition, I reckoned that an army averaged out at about £10 per 100 points in your army.

Since then there has been a massive shift from expensive metal to cheap plastic and the result - you're now looking at nearly £15 per 100 points.


Way to go GW... [slow hand clap]

Blackmoor wrote:I am what you would call pretty price insensitive. I buy just about anything I want, when I want it without batting an eyelash. When they raised the price of Terminators to $50 for 5 plastic models, I did not think it was to bad in spite of the outcry.

But tonight I was stunned at GWs prices for the very first time. I was looking at the Eldar range and I was thinking about buying 3 vibro-cannons to keep the IG players on their toes, and I was wondering what it would cost. An Eldar Heavy Support cost $33. So to purchase 3 of them it comes out to $100!

$100 for 6 models and 3 cannons and are a 150 point unit?

All I could say is Wow!

I can beat this annoyance. In Australia a Dreadnought costs $69 (Just like the Terminators), if you want the one with two Autocannons (Around $30 AUD for both not including postage) that ends up being around (or a bit over) $100 for one Dreadnought >_>

Not as annoying as if it was US $, but for $100 AUD I can get a Battle Force instead


Not as annoying as when people in the US complain about paying $50-60 for a new video game, the current average for a new game price here is $120 >_>

To keep it in perspective, prices of Tamiya kits have gone up from about £18 to about £24 since the end of last year, just because of the fall in value of the pound against the Yen.

HI all.
Well to be fair GW charges for the upkeep of B&M stores and training and introduction of new player into the 'GW hobby/.And they have to rake in enough cash to keep shareholders happy.This tends to be achived by short term strategies ,(eg price increase greater than inflation every year.)

So GW hobby is massivley more expensive than the wider wargaming hobby.

You could just pick up some free to down load rules , and try them out with your existing minatures.And if you are not tied to GW stores for playing space or GW centric tournaments .You can buy much cheaper alternative minatures.
(Most alternative manufacturere charge 50p each for plastic minis and about £1 for metals .)

GW offer everything on an expencive golden spoon.
You can pay through the nose for this service.Or learn to feed yourself.


Happy gaming .
Lanrak.

I hate GW prices. They are far to expensive, why don't I just buy a pack of toy soldiers for $1? Anyway, It's kind of like Apple Macs, they cost heaps more than other computers.

I think of it in terms of relative value.

For example, I paid around £50 for each unit of 20 Savage Orcs for my army. Fairly expensive, but since I play regularly, and with the new games club (Hydra Gaming Club, meeting at the Robin Hood Pub, Tunbridge Wells, every Wednesday from 7 p.m.) I'll be playing even more. So despite having a high cost, I am mining a good deal of investment value.

Had I been playing say just once a month, as opposed to twice a week, I probably wouldn't have gone for that particular army.

Currently trying to settle on a 40k army, and right now it's between IG and Orks. Was pretty much set on Orks, until I started reading about Planetstrike, and now I want some IG mooks.

Plus you do have the resell value to consider. The best thing about GW models is that as their prices go up, so do the 2nd hand values, meaning although you will be hard pressed to get the full value back should you sell your army, you can expect a fairly set % back.

Foaly wrote:I hate GW prices. They are far to expensive, why don't I just buy a pack of toy soldiers for $1? Anyway, It's kind of like Apple Macs, they cost heaps more than other computers.

Paint them, base them on plasticard and lets see if the local GW likes your IG army.

An interesting asside to GW online Priceing: At my FLGS, you will save at least $2 on all miniatures before shipping. Weird, eh?

As a paintballer and airsofter, I look at buying from the GW stores as "supporting the local field." If the store doesnt have local support, it will close, and our local gamer community will seperate and relocate.

When my daughter and I go to the Movies and get two sodas and a Popcorn, it comes to about $40 for a Matinee, A MATINEE!
When I go shopping for a weeks food for my daughter and I, healthy light red meat diet: $80-$100
When we go to Target, TARGET for gawd sakes, to get a few household items and maybe a new T-shirt: $60-$80 (and that's without a DVD)
When I go to get a new game for my PS3: $60 (Sometimes hit or miss on long-term enjoyment)
GW box of Ork boyz or Nobz, $20 or $23 at my FLGS and I get hours of enjoyment, modeling, painting, playing, commenting, etc. (I know, more for paints and such)

I tend to think models aren't too badly priced. Its all a matter of perspective.

My only real point is: EVERY-GAWDDAMNED-THING is expensive! My yelling is a sign of general frustration, not directed at anyone.

Lanrak wrote:
So GW hobby is massivley more expensive than the wider wargaming hobby.

I don't think so. I see similar prices for both scale models (plastics) and other wargames (Privateer Press) and minis (reaper, freebooter, etc).

They support their stuff very well. I bought a new Lord of Change over the weekend, and got a badly miscast wing. I called them up today and asked for a new wing, and they're sending me a new Lord of Change instead.

It's easier to pay money when you know that at least the company backs their product.

People complain about GW Prices... Yet still buy the minis. It's an odd thing to witness really. The way I see it, players should either support GW, or just look for an alternative source of minis. Buying their minis and then complaining that they're too expensive is like buying a sub from a sandwich shop, eating most of it, and then returning the last bite saying you didn't like it and you want a refund.

There's a difference between saying "These prices are starting to get a bit high. Better watch and plan my consumption." and "These prices are waaay too high. This is ridiculous. But I'll buy it anyway."

As well, a lot of people seem to forget that a recession is going to drive the price of everything up. A lot. GW's prices aren't immune to the current economic state, and they're going to have to increase the costs for the time being until everything stabilizes again (At least, if they want to make a profit that is).

Granted when we're through the recession their prices will probably go down again, but you're not playing a cheap hobby. The Cost-to-GDP ratio has always been about the same for GW product, even if the actual sticker price on a box of minis has changed. The only reason it's friggidy-fethed right now is, again, because of the current economic state. For now, just be patient and pace your purchases. When you space out your purchases, it doesn't seem so hard on your wallet.

Of course, if a person can't be bothered to do that and they still insist on buying every new item for their army the second it lands on shelves, or doing a massive load-out every time they hit up a GW, then they really haven't got any right to complain about how much they're spending on GW minis. Most of us are pretty good about this, I know. And it is still expensive. But it's only temporary, and besides, it's not like you -must- buy GW minis. If you're just playing at an FLGS or with buddies, you can always go non-GW and just stick to a Codex: "Counts-As" army. Most places and even some GW's are pretty lenient on this. As long as you use their rules and your army is tabletop ready, suitably futuristic, and 28mm, they'll let you use it for 40K.

The GW hobby is not that expensive compared to other hobbies. I know people who spent over $1000 dollars on a set of golf clubs. I play paintball too and that isn't any cheaper. It can cost up too $400 dollars just to get a half-decent set-up, and then you still have to pay for paintballs and air which can run about $15-20 per trip.

JourneyPsycheOut wrote:The GW hobby is not that expensive compared to other hobbies. I know people who spent over $1000 dollars on a set of golf clubs. I play paintball too and that isn't any cheaper. It can cost up too $400 dollars just to get a half-decent set-up, and then you still have to pay for paintballs and air which can run about $15-20 per trip.

QFT

My gun, stock off the shelf, was $545. Add a $150 barrel onto that... $60 for a remote CO2 feed line, $45 for a Carbine Stock... And then like $50 for a bag of paintballs... Yep. Definately makes GW's prices pale quite a bit. Which is part of the reason I don't complain about them. Because it's probably the cheapest of all my hobbies

Dear lord...



If you think it's too expensive, don't buy!

JohnHwangDD wrote:Dear lord...



If you think it's too expensive, don't buy!

The prices as they were six months ago I would have bought up thousands of points and considered it sound. I was able to get Baneblades from my national discounter for ~$66 CAN. But now the price is up to ~$85. Basically at that price I may as well be buying other games (or even buying/ upgrading vehicles, putting my money into mutual funds etc). I would not mind a new boat and some decent fishing gear. But I still collect and presumably paint what I work on. But there is no need to buy five Valkyries and six Baneblanes when you can just get one or two of each. Meanwhile everytime I do an order of around $200 it is minus a box or two of Terminators.

You asked.

On the other hand, the price is a good price for someone who just wants to paint and play rather than collecting what are presumably assets.

Exactly. It's not like it's an insane difference for what you're getting. You're not breaking the bank when you buy, as long as you buy what you need for your army. It's the people that go out, buy way too much at once, and then go "OMG GW PRISES R SOOOO HIGH! I HAET THIS GAME! But I can't wait to buy that, and that, and that, and that, and..."

Those of us that pace our purchases with our painting speed and the number of games we play hardly feel any impact when the prices creep up a little bit, as they have. GW's prices aren't through the roof. Hell, they aren't even that bad. They're some of the most durable gaming pieces on the market, and the details are great. You get a good game for your cash, just don't blow all your money on it at once.

I try to spend within my means. So if it's too high, I don't buy. Does mean GW are selling me less stuff. And they've lost all chance of me impulse buying anything.

Hello,
Please don't take this the wrong way but how can anyone defend the
ludicrous rise?
I'll give you an example:
The new White Scar marine costs £10, against this a box of five
marine veterans,or sternguard or vanguard costs round about £20.
Please someone tell me how we are getting value for money?
The White Scar is not any better detailed than those sets I've
mentioned,infact I'd say the other marines are better detailed.
Talking of detail.has anybody else noticed a decline in casting
quality? The last few metal sets I've bought I've discovered
have been riddled with holes,miscasts and obvious mould damage.
With the price we pay for these models,surely quality should be
included?

Redbeard wrote:

Lanrak wrote:
So GW hobby is massivley more expensive than the wider wargaming hobby.

I don't think so. I see similar prices for both scale models (plastics) and other wargames (Privateer Press) and minis (reaper, freebooter, etc).

They support their stuff very well. I bought a new Lord of Change over the weekend, and got a badly miscast wing. I called them up today and asked for a new wing, and they're sending me a new Lord of Change instead.

It's easier to pay money when you know that at least the company backs their product.

Yes! A very similar issue happened with me and my Ork Battlewagon sprue. Now I have two! Two whole battle wagons! (of course one had a bad sprue so I don't have all of the options, but TWO BATTLEWAGONS!)

I agree customer service is an important part of the equation.

Also, a thing to keep in mind is that it isn't really more expensive than the next time waster.

Imagine if you wanted to play Halo 3. Just that game. I might cost you almost 400 dollars, even on the cheap your looking at no less than 200 USD. Sure you get to keep the Xbox 360 and spread the cost across to the other games you buy, but you're still paying a lot of money to have access to play these games.

It's the same as Warhammer stuffs. There's a significant investment into getting into the game; an upfront cost that cannot be avoided. Yet still, I have seen people spend as much money on a SINGLE MAGIC DECK, as I have on any of the armies I own.

On top of that, GW isn't really that slanted out of place in terms of their model prices. Go to a hobby store and check out the cost of some WWII models that are roughly the scale of the GW minis, I know I did while I was shopping around for conversion ideas, and guess what? A lot of them were actually MORE expensive than the Gee Dubs.

Remember, gw uses a different pricing metric on different models. Do you know why your army commanders cost more? Because they're worth more points and you can only have two in your army; gotta' gouge where you can.

Do you know why Biovores are 25 bucks a piece? Because you can only have 3, but you'll probably never play with 1; gotta' gouge where you can.

Some things are way over priced IMO, and others are fair. I dont mind spending 20 bucks for a box of boyz/nobz/lootas burnas. That is totally fine by me. BUT I think $30 for 3 bikes is insane, $100 for your squad of vibro cannons, shoot I dont play WFB but that Empire Steam tank, I cant remember what the price was but I remember seeing it and thinking, holy crap sacks!
Its a hobby tho, and Ive yet to see one, aside from rock collecting, that doesnt cost loads of money.

Slipstream wrote:Hello,
Please don't take this the wrong way but how can anyone defend the
ludicrous rise?
I'll give you an example:
The new White Scar marine costs £10, against this a box of five
marine veterans,or sternguard or vanguard costs round about £20.
Please someone tell me how we are getting value for money?
The White Scar is not any better detailed than those sets I've
mentioned,infact I'd say the other marines are better detailed.
Talking of detail.has anybody else noticed a decline in casting
quality? The last few metal sets I've bought I've discovered
have been riddled with holes,miscasts and obvious mould damage.
With the price we pay for these models,surely quality should be
included?

My coffee I get for work every morning has gone up fifty cents, gas (petrol) has gone up a dollar, and at pretty much every fast food joint the "dollar menu" has been renamed to "value menu" and its all now $1.39. I need to eat, I need to drive, and yes, I need* my coffee. I'm not about to get butthurt over stuff I don't "need" getting more expensive when stuff I do "need" regularly (and everything else here in CA, really..) has also become more expensive.