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All of the Forgeworld indexes are horrible. Everyone has tons of error, rules left out, half complete rules. an index that is not alphabetized....

I would bet they gave this entire task to a single intern and after he said its done, they just sent it off to print without a single readthrough for proofing.

Glad I went for the digital version after reading this thread. Not sure if its because I glanced over a lot but I am a bit confused why there is like artillery crews but no actual artillery for i think either DKoK or R&H.

Edit: The Medusa platform doesnt seem to be on the DKoK list?

Also noticed myself, I haven't read GW's Index yet but I imagine it's the same. Has the unit composition for guard changed now? It doesn't seem to say each platoon you need a cs, 2 squads etc, now they are just seperate units? Now banner bearers are part of the infantry squad. Is this correct? Kinda happy as it eases my wallet to get a legal squad.

Edit: Lol I completely forgot the Kytan will have rules. My favourite Khorne model next to the BT and I forgot. What is the big fella like?

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Glad I went for the digital version after reading this thread. Not sure if its because I glanced over a lot but I am a bit confused why there is like artillery crews but no actual artillery for i think either DKoK or R&H.

Edit: The Medusa platform doesnt seem to be on the DKoK list?

Also noticed myself, I haven't read GW's Index yet but I imagine it's the same. Has the unit composition for guard changed now? It doesn't seem to say each platoon you need a cs, 2 squads etc, now they are just seperate units? Now banner bearers are part of the infantry squad. Is this correct? Kinda happy as it eases my wallet to get a legal squad.

The Death Korps list is just an update of the Assault Brigade, which didn't have any of the static heavy artillery batteries. You can still bring them in the army without any problems though, they just won't benefit from future stuff I guess.

Platoons are gone. Infantry Squads are a troops choice, SWS are elites choice etc. Banners are only in command squads for normal guard, Krieg can take the worse one in infantry squads.

Just want to chime in regarding publishing since there have been a lot of pretty silly statements getting thrown around- I've done my own, and worked for a fairly large publisher in the USA.

Printing times (for anything fancy and full color; I've got very little experience with traditional text-only books): you can expect somewhere around a month domestically almost always for short runs that are pretty expensive for usually a compromised quality and tend to be for smaller things only, due to those first two issues; foreign runs, if it's under 3 months, you're running really efficiently and have a good relationship with that press. A book-length publication will probably have around a year creation time, assuming things run smoothly. Quicker magazine formats, and you could do maybe half that, depending on work involved and if they're in that faster domestic printing bracket. FW's actual book department seems pretty small, and I'd give them the benefit of the doubt here. Also, anyone thinking about company reaction times (GW or anyone else) and ability to produce anything (non-digital, that is), movement can be glacial.

Editing: this is just awful. There's a ton of stuff that a freelance proofreader worth a damn should have caught, let alone anyone on staff who actually knows the material. A personal (I have no idea what any industry standard is) meter of a proofreader who isn't embarrassing is, if the page is grammatically correct (minus stylistic grey areas that vary by material) and nothing on the page contradicts anything else on it, including format. Not getting to what good proofing is, FW failed to get past not embarrassing.

 Aenarian wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Glad I went for the digital version after reading this thread. Not sure if its because I glanced over a lot but I am a bit confused why there is like artillery crews but no actual artillery for i think either DKoK or R&H.

Edit: The Medusa platform doesnt seem to be on the DKoK list?

Also noticed myself, I haven't read GW's Index yet but I imagine it's the same. Has the unit composition for guard changed now? It doesn't seem to say each platoon you need a cs, 2 squads etc, now they are just seperate units? Now banner bearers are part of the infantry squad. Is this correct? Kinda happy as it eases my wallet to get a legal squad.

The Death Korps list is just an update of the Assault Brigade, which didn't have any of the static heavy artillery batteries. You can still bring them in the army without any problems though, they just won't benefit from future stuff I guess.

Platoons are gone. Infantry Squads are a troops choice, SWS are elites choice etc. Banners are only in command squads for normal guard, Krieg can take the worse one in infantry squads.

Ah all good cheers fam!

Took a look at the Kytan, praise Khorne! And I thought the 2h axe Bloodthirster was a badass mf!

Reading the Elysian list I notice that my squads are once more invalidated. Sergeants can only carry swords and pistols, something FW does not cater towards with their models as is. All my sergeants have lasguns with auxiliary grenade launchers, an option glaringly absent from the list.

Looks like my Elysians will not be seeing action any time soon then..

 BrookM wrote:
Reading the Elysian list I notice that my squads are once more invalidated. Sergeants can only carry swords and pistols, something FW does not cater towards with their models as is. All my sergeants have lasguns with auxiliary grenade launchers, an option glaringly absent from the list.

Looks like my Elysians will not be seeing action any time soon then..

On the upside, at least you're consistent with my Cadians now!



But for reals, that sucks Brook. I don't know what stick got up their butts when it came to taking away Lasguns from Sergeants back in the first post-Doctrine book, but I hoped it would have fallen out by now.

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Revenant with Pulsars Titan...

1200pts and FAST AS HELL!

I have Xenos index if there are questions.

What are the stats for the Gauss Pylon?

Immobile deep striking pylon of doom. LoW and T8 and 30W with 3+/5++ bubble

Major Durra is also absent, also a bit annoying, but at this point it is to be expected I suppose. So much for having a heavy chainsword and shotgun wielding HQ.

My Malcador heavy tank is another illegal in my collection now, as I've given her a hull-mounted Demolisher cannon, an option to the Annihilator and Defender, but not the vanilla chassis. Ffffff-

And yeah, Guard sergeants not able to take lasguns or shotguns any more is beyond naff. If Marines can do it, then why can't the Imperial Guard, bunch of witches.

 BrookM wrote:
Major Durra is also absent, also a bit annoying, but at this point it is to be expected I suppose. So much for having a heavy chainsword and shotgun wielding HQ.

My Malcador heavy tank is another illegal in my collection now, as I've given her a hull-mounted Demolisher cannon, an option to the Annihilator and Defender, but not the vanilla chassis. Ffffff-

And yeah, Guard sergeants not able to take lasguns or shotguns any more is beyond naff. If Marines can do it, then why can't the Imperial Guard, bunch of witches.

Not just Marines.

Genestealer Cultists can in their Neophyte Squads!

mercury14 wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Revenant with Pulsars Titan...

1200pts and FAST AS HELL!

I have Xenos index if there are questions.

But they get BS4+ if they move, sad.

And they're what, T9?

How are the Eldar flyers looking? Does the Phoenix still have +1 to hit ground targets, thereby negating its -1 to hit?


Sathkatch?

Revenant Start at BS 2+. Sonic lance version is a key word infantry beat stick doing 6d6 damage wounding on 2+.

Phoenix has crystal targeting and seems anti infantry to me with missile load outs.

 BrookM wrote:
Major Durra is also absent, also a bit annoying, but at this point it is to be expected I suppose. So much for having a heavy chainsword and shotgun wielding HQ.

And yeah, Guard sergeants not able to take lasguns or shotguns any more is beyond naff. If Marines can do it, then why can't the Imperial Guard, bunch of witches.

Major Markus Durra is a D-99 character, is he not? The Elysian list is not a D-99 one. I'll explain it again: the lists in the book are not "all options from all books"-lists, but based upon one incarnation. The DKoK is the Assault Brigade from IA12, I believe the Elysian one is either Taros Campaign and/or Kastorel Novem. The R&H is whatever they thought was more or less unique (and some other options) to the list. This means that some options are gone until we get more comprehensive updates. All evidence points to either FW not giving a damn about any of the books, or that they were not given sufficient time to write everything and then quality control it. This leads to the present indeces.

Also, the best regiment (read: Death Korps of Krieg) has sergeants that come with lasguns, and you can change them to laspistols and chainswords.

 BrookM wrote:
My Malcador heavy tank is another illegal in my collection now, as I've given her a hull-mounted Demolisher cannon, an option to the Annihilator and Defender, but not the vanilla chassis. Ffffff-

Wait, you converted a battlecannon and demolisher cannon malcador? Was that ever an option?. I thought only the defender and annihilator could get a demolisher. It could be in one of the later IA books I guess, I was using IA1:2nd ed which doesn't have that.

 Trickstick wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
My Malcador heavy tank is another illegal in my collection now, as I've given her a hull-mounted Demolisher cannon, an option to the Annihilator and Defender, but not the vanilla chassis. Ffffff-

Wait, you converted a battlecannon and demolisher cannon malcador? Was that ever an option?. I thought only the defender and annihilator could get a demolisher. It could be in one of the later IA books I guess, I was using IA1:2nd ed which doesn't have that.

Having checked IA1 2nd, IA5 2nd, IA: Apocalypse, IA13, no, it was not an option.

 Aenarian wrote:
Having checked IA1 2nd, IA5 2nd, IA: Apocalypse, IA13, no, it was not an option.

It does sound like a pretty sweet model but the recoil would be a pain.

 Trickstick wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
My Malcador heavy tank is another illegal in my collection now, as I've given her a hull-mounted Demolisher cannon, an option to the Annihilator and Defender, but not the vanilla chassis. Ffffff-

Wait, you converted a battlecannon and demolisher cannon malcador? Was that ever an option?. I thought only the defender and annihilator could get a demolisher. It could be in one of the later IA books I guess, I was using IA1:2nd ed which doesn't have that.

It's a 30k option I'm pretty sure

Maybe but it's pretty hard to bitch at FW for not catering to a model that was never ever an option in 40k.

 Trickstick wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
My Malcador heavy tank is another illegal in my collection now, as I've given her a hull-mounted Demolisher cannon, an option to the Annihilator and Defender, but not the vanilla chassis. Ffffff-

Wait, you converted a battlecannon and demolisher cannon malcador? Was that ever an option?. I thought only the defender and annihilator could get a demolisher. It could be in one of the later IA books I guess, I was using IA1:2nd ed which doesn't have that.

It is for the Horus Heresy, so one would assume it would also go with 40k. I mean, they ported over the Stormhammer all of the sudden.

 BrookM wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
My Malcador heavy tank is another illegal in my collection now, as I've given her a hull-mounted Demolisher cannon, an option to the Annihilator and Defender, but not the vanilla chassis. Ffffff-

Wait, you converted a battlecannon and demolisher cannon malcador? Was that ever an option?. I thought only the defender and annihilator could get a demolisher. It could be in one of the later IA books I guess, I was using IA1:2nd ed which doesn't have that.

It is for the Horus Heresy, so one would assume it would also go with 40k. I mean, they ported over the Stormhammer all of the sudden.

Let's hope they make rules for it then. But I wouldn't get my hopes up.

 Aenarian wrote:
Let's hope they make rules for it then. But I wouldn't get my hopes up.

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

All they'd need to add is the option to swap out the heavy bolter for a Demolisher cannon. But then again, it is hard as feth to give Elysian officers and NCO's the option to take lasguns, so I may just be gak out of luck on that front.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Just want to chime in regarding publishing since there have been a lot of pretty silly statements getting thrown around- I've done my own, and worked for a fairly large publisher in the USA.

Printing times (for anything fancy and full color; I've got very little experience with traditional text-only books): you can expect somewhere around a month domestically almost always for short runs that are pretty expensive for usually a compromised quality and tend to be for smaller things only, due to those first two issues; foreign runs, if it's under 3 months, you're running really efficiently and have a good relationship with that press. A book-length publication will probably have around a year creation time, assuming things run smoothly. Quicker magazine formats, and you could do maybe half that, depending on work involved and if they're in that faster domestic printing bracket. FW's actual book department seems pretty small, and I'd give them the benefit of the doubt here. Also, anyone thinking about company reaction times (GW or anyone else) and ability to produce anything (non-digital, that is), movement can be glacial.

Editing: this is just awful. There's a ton of stuff that a freelance proofreader worth a damn should have caught, let alone anyone on staff who actually knows the material. A personal (I have no idea what any industry standard is) meter of a proofreader who isn't embarrassing is, if the page is grammatically correct (minus stylistic grey areas that vary by material) and nothing on the page contradicts anything else on it, including format. Not getting to what good proofing is, FW failed to get past not embarrassing.

Anyone who bought the digital or physical book should get a refund if physical and free to got digital for a updated version. Or refund everyone. Literally one of the worst things they have done.

I've got my fingers crossed that the file(s) that have been released are not the up to date ones, but are an early version that has been put out in error (I have a vague recollection of at least one previous GW e-codex suffering from this which got fixed fairly fast),

things like calling out 19 ork entries but only having 13 (?) tend to reinforce this view (please be a cock up)

if not as Spiralingcadaver says the attempt of proof reading is appauling as there's so much wrong that even a drunk evening of checking after a hard days work should have caught it, far less any sort of professional stuff during the actual working day

This is Forge World we're talking about here, I had a feeling it would be having its share of typos, copy-paste errors and whatnot. Just didn't expect the other disappointing stuff as well.

Gah. Macharius Vulcan rules on the Community site have a dumb error in. Again, easy to fix, but so easy to spot.

Maybe I should just cancel my book. They couldn't even get it to me for release date and it's apparently not remotely been proofed. Hugely disappointing.

So, would it be worth the effort to get the pdf versions and just use a free pdf editor to correct them?

It's sold as an epub file.

TheGuest wrote:I have a question: I read the rules for my thunderbolt a saw it can take four hellstrike missiles.
Is it one use per game per missile or can I shoot all four each turn?
I can't find anything on this.

bubber wrote:it'll be one per turn.

Rules as written do not mention anything about one per turn or being one shot weapons. Given that each individual missile costs as much as a normal IG Missile Launcher, I think it's intended that you can fire all four every turn. They'd be horribly overpriced for one use only weapons.

After several editions of neglect in favour of that horrible Vendetta abomination, the Thunderbolt is once again the undisputed terror of the skies.

It's the perfect interceptor now, just slap on six Skystrike missiles and alpha-strike away at enemy flyers!

Marauder Destroyer has 8 missiles per turn now. That was a fun thing to read.