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The Irish aren’t too bad next to a gw greatsword

Edit: ok... i think its fixed

 Smokestack wrote:
The Irish aren’t too bad next to a gw greatsword

Can you flip that please?

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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Depending on the poses, the Prussians (?) could make great space opera troops with a Cannon Fodder head swap. Then I’d have a bunch of cool Prussian heads to put on fantasy miniatures.

Bavarians


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 Crimson wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:

also, size comparison of the upcoming conquistadors

Not super helpful as you omitted the manufacturer to which most people want to see these compared to...

I did not take this picture. The painter hired to paint the conquistadors did. I can ask

 lord marcus wrote:


Are they on the international space station?

:(

The irish are a good set though. I expect the Conquistadors will look fine next to GW stuff.

 Smokestack wrote:
The Irish aren’t too bad next to a gw greatsword

Edit: If you click on the picture it is right side up... :( I swear

I think thats only because the integral base on the irishman is giving it an extra 3-5mm of height.

Aztecs and Late Romans...... You are on my list!

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Smokestack wrote:
The Irish aren’t too bad next to a gw greatsword

Edit: If you click on the picture it is right side up... :( I swear

I think thats only because the integral base on the irishman is giving it an extra 3-5mm of height.

True... but the head and hand proportions arent that far from each other. So even if the irish guy is shorter, he still looks to be the same species next to the great sword. Overall not far from him. And on a table top, would not look out of place... or at least in my opinion.

 Smokestack wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:


Are they on the international space station?

:(

The irish are a good set though. I expect the Conquistadors will look fine next to GW stuff.

Thanks smokestack. I apologize for that initial space station comment. I'm in a sarcastic mood today and that is not right of me. I am sorry.


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FYI to all: The painted who took the scale shot does not have any GW models available to make a comparison photograph

 lord marcus wrote:

 Smokestack wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:


Are they on the international space station?

:(

The irish are a good set though. I expect the Conquistadors will look fine next to GW stuff.

Thanks smokestack. I apologize for that initial space station comment. I'm in a sarcastic mood today and that is not right of me. I am sorry.


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FYI to all: The painted who took the scale shot does not have any GW models available to make a comparison photograph

No, it was funny. The frowny face was more that i couldnt figure out how to fix the picture.

No need to ruin perfectly fine historical kits by making them the size of some scale creeped Fantasy or Sci Fi figures...
As of now, WA does everything right and I hope it stays that way.
Death Fields are compatible with GW etc. and historicals are compatible with Perry, Warlord, Victrix etc.

The Bavarians look nice btw. and will be a nice complimentary addition to the Perry brothers FPW range. Let's see who releases first.

 Smokestack wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:

 Smokestack wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:


Are they on the international space station?

:(

The irish are a good set though. I expect the Conquistadors will look fine next to GW stuff.

Thanks smokestack. I apologize for that initial space station comment. I'm in a sarcastic mood today and that is not right of me. I am sorry.


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FYI to all: The painted who took the scale shot does not have any GW models available to make a comparison photograph

No, it was funny. The frowny face was more that i couldnt figure out how to fix the picture.

gotcha.

 Smokestack wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Smokestack wrote:
The Irish aren’t too bad next to a gw greatsword

Edit: If you click on the picture it is right side up... :( I swear

I think thats only because the integral base on the irishman is giving it an extra 3-5mm of height.

True... but the head and hand proportions arent that far from each other. So even if the irish guy is shorter, he still looks to be the same species next to the great sword. Overall not far from him. And on a table top, would not look out of place... or at least in my opinion.

I don't disagree.

So which scale should everybody chase? Latest GW human minis were like 35mm. Makes sense that Conquistadors would tower 2 heads over every other historical kit in the world so 2 guys can proxy them in AoS.

 Crimson wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:

also, size comparison of the upcoming conquistadors

Not super helpful as you omitted the manufacturer to which most people want to see these compared to...

Which is?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So which scale should everybody chase? Latest GW human minis were like 35mm. Makes sense that Conquistadors would tower 2 heads over every other historical kit in the world so 2 guys can proxy them in AoS.

You are taking a specific question "what scale should the WGA conquistadors be?" and trying to make it some grand question of what scale should all miniatures be?

WGA's own polling shows that fantasy demand likely outstrips historical demand. I think the relative size of historical minis companies vs historical is additional evidence (removing GW which is a clear outlier).

What scale should WGA's Conquistadors be? Probably a few mm taller than the historical minis of two decades ago. I'd say the sweet spot is 32mm, which would be broadly compatible with 80%+ of fantasy humans, including (and most importantly) those being produced right now.

If your choice is being a few mm taller than the small time niche historical metals producer who 40% of your customer base wants them to scale with, or a few mm shorter than the minis that 60% of your customer base wants them to scale with... I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to deduce the optimal choice.

Consider also that WGA is effectively making the whole range and could easily achieve internal scale compatibility between Aztecs and Conquistadors.

 Gallahad wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So which scale should everybody chase? Latest GW human minis were like 35mm. Makes sense that Conquistadors would tower 2 heads over every other historical kit in the world so 2 guys can proxy them in AoS.

You are taking a specific question "what scale should the WGA conquistadors be?" and trying to make it some grand question of what scale should all miniatures be?

WGA's own polling shows that fantasy demand likely outstrips historical demand. I think the relative size of historical minis companies vs historical is additional evidence (removing GW which is a clear outlier).

What scale should WGA's Conquistadors be? Probably a few mm taller than the historical minis of two decades ago. I'd say the sweet spot is 32mm, which would be broadly compatible with 80%+ of fantasy humans, including (and most importantly) those being produced right now.

If your choice is being a few mm taller than the small time niche historical metals producer who 40% of your customer base wants them to scale with, or a few mm shorter than the minis that 60% of your customer base wants them to scale with... I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to deduce the optimal choice.

Consider also that WGA is effectively making the whole range and could easily achieve internal scale compatibility between Aztecs and Conquistadors.

This assumes that the fantasy market is purchasing minis for use with Age of Sigmar. GW has done a pretty good job of getting Age of Sigmar players to buy Age of Sigmar models, I dont think the market for these minis, for the most part, is one that needs a larger mini - it seems most non-GW fantasy mini sales these days are being used for D&D/Pathfinder, WHFB spin-offs like 9th age and Kings of War, legacy WHFB (there are active communities playing earlier editions of the game still), and "generic" games like Frostrgrave, Oathmark, etc. For the most part these are all games being played using old-fashioned 28mm minis of varying levels of "heroic" proportion. Scaling up the minis to match what seems to be the "new standard" as far as GW is concerned I think will result in a huge sales miss amongst the overhwelming majority of the products actual customers.

Based on these pictures, I'd guess the Conquistadors will fit in pretty well with both 5th ed metal WFB (like the excellent Dogs of War range) and the slimmer 8th ed Empire figures (Greatswords and Archers, RIP the latter). I have no desire for WA to either pursue big heads big hands big weapons aesthetics, or chase GW's ongoing drive for increasingly large miniatures. If a counterargument here is that GW no longer produces many of those sets I want them to be compatible with, I say: great! Gap in the market right there.

In addition, I certainly see no reason for them to suddenly deviate from the scale of all their previous historical kits, and I'd advice anyone expecting them to do so to start giving up hope. A combination of compatibility with certain external ranges (can never please everyone there) and internal consistency is as perfect as scale gets in miniature wargaming, so I'm happy with these.

I remember when I started buying non-GW miniatures, and how long it took me to stop feeling disappointed with weedy little historical minis. I feel the Death Fields minis are a good gateway range, bridging the gap between heroic and not-so-heroic. I hope they use the same proportions for their human-ish Classic Fantasy minis to create a nice bridge for AOS players.

Also, I find heroic weapons much more important than heroic sized heads for that heroic fantasy feeling.

My purchases are not guided by GW. What I am looking for are kits that can stand on their own or more preferably join my ever growing library of sprues for kitbash conversions. Victrix, Perry, Oathmark, Fireforge, Wargames Atlantic… I like to make a few models as per their original design then the rest help make new, personal creations.

It is a shame GW does not appear to make kits with this design philosophy in place. I wish they were still the same company that made the Rogue Trader book in the 80´s that encouraged me to use my imagination and models from various sources to play their game. Whilst I do use some GW bits for my projects, they tend to be out of production odds and ends I have gotten cheap on eBay.

I grasp that a lot of people want cost effective proxy models or bits otherwise unavailable from GW that they can use to modify their GW models but I am not one of those people. Maybe if GW was more inclusive I would become one of those people.

The WA Afghan vs Perry Afghan, WA Persian vs Victrix Persian debate I have seen elsewhere is not one I participate in as I use all of them in order to maximize the diversity of figures possible. Two great tastes that taste great together one might say.

Wargames Atlantic, if you Are reading this, keep doing what you are doing. It is appreciated.

 Gallahad wrote:

What scale should WGA's Conquistadors be? Probably a few mm taller than the historical minis of two decades ago. I'd say the sweet spot is 32mm, which would be broadly compatible with 80%+ of fantasy humans, including (and most importantly) those being produced right now. .

chasing the GW scale won't work
there is 1 army were you could use a box or 2, and no guarantee that GW does no change their scale again in the near future

what is the point of a historical box to be compatible with a current GW kit but not with current historical kits? (specially with AoS having only 1 faction with some units being humans, not all)

 Gallahad wrote:
WGA's own polling shows that fantasy demand likely outstrips historical demand. I think the relative size of historical minis companies vs historical is additional evidence (removing GW which is a clear outlier)..

WGA have access to their own sales figures which will give them a much better idea of demand than any poll. They're making decisions based on much better information than we can ever hope to have.

Derek H wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
WGA's own polling shows that fantasy demand likely outstrips historical demand. I think the relative size of historical minis companies vs historical is additional evidence (removing GW which is a clear outlier)..

WGA have access to their own sales figures which will give them a much better idea of demand than any poll. They're making decisions based on much better information than we can ever hope to have.

Yeah, I mean... the only thing that poll proves is that the people who voted (which in and of itself is a subset of the people that look up minis stuff in the internet and might not even be current WGA customers) decided to put more votes on fantasy stuff.

But what do you think is the ratio of people who buy minis and never knew about the poll, or doesn't do internet for minis purposes?

As to the sizable (heh) scale discussion... I'd rather them do their own thing than try to ape GW, and personally I find the scale they went for much more useale for my purposes, which might even include AoS at some point.

Big head variants for WGA kits. Have them balloon size versions like if you had a cheat code for them. That'd be hilarious.

 BlackoCatto wrote:
Big head variants for WGA kits. Have them balloon size versions like if you had a cheat code for them. That'd be hilarious.

You might be onto something.
It works well for 40K

 Zywus wrote:

 BlackoCatto wrote:
Big head variants for WGA kits. Have them balloon size versions like if you had a cheat code for them. That'd be hilarious.

You might be onto something.
It works well for 40K

Normally I hate chibi ever other than screen accurate Minmei dolls (the actual dolls of her from Macross... not chibi Minmei) but that surprisingly actually works.

 Zywus wrote:

You might be onto something.
It works well for 40K

So that's Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica heads added to Tau bodies, yes?

As for size/scale. WGA should not chase after GW, and do their own thing. There is no advantage in letting GW guide your business decisions any more than GW's dominance of the market already shapes all smaller companies' planning. [And the threat of GW Legal and their nearly endless funds.]

 Gallahad wrote:

 PaddyMick wrote:
I've receieved two boxes of Iron Core and have started assembling. Gonna be using them as Scions, and have found the Raumjager plasma gun arm fits pretty well, with some green stuff to fill in on the walking poses (standing pose it's fine). Just had to file off the part of the hand underneath the gun. It doesn't bother me that the arm is a little different, as I don't think it will stand out when painted and in a squad.

Plan for painting is very simple: spray with desert yellow, light wash, paint gun and mask black, dryrush metallic silver, eyes blue, done. We'll see how that looks on the first 10!

Please share your results. Sounds like a really good scheme.

Hi mate, almost got a platoon done. Really nice easy kit to model and paint, and tons of extra bits on the sprue.

 PaddyMick wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:

 PaddyMick wrote:
I've receieved two boxes of Iron Core and have started assembling. Gonna be using them as Scions, and have found the Raumjager plasma gun arm fits pretty well, with some green stuff to fill in on the walking poses (standing pose it's fine). Just had to file off the part of the hand underneath the gun. It doesn't bother me that the arm is a little different, as I don't think it will stand out when painted and in a squad.

Plan for painting is very simple: spray with desert yellow, light wash, paint gun and mask black, dryrush metallic silver, eyes blue, done. We'll see how that looks on the first 10!

Please share your results. Sounds like a really good scheme.

Hi mate, almost got a platoon done. Really nice easy kit to model and paint, and tons of extra bits on the sprue.

Those look excellent sir. Are you going to pick up some of the panzerjager to mix in?

Cheers

Not sure about the panzers. I have all the scions I need right now, but at some point I am sure I will want to expand them into a stand-alone army, and then i'll take another look.

In the meantime I am really looking forward to getting some Cannon Fodder, to use as conscripts, and later develop into a penal legion.

Those look good, nicely done. And thanks for changing the topic to something fun instead of another debate about scale

Cannon Fodder Sprue B with arms, weapons, packs, and the space suit helmets.



Goblins and Cannon Fodder Sprue A with bodies and the other 3 head types.



Another not-ideal photo from the factory floor: the back of the Goblin sprue and Cannon Fodder bodies/heads at the bottom. Better pics once we have them in hand. Production is running now.




WW1/2 French Sprue A with the bodies and WW1 parts. Sprue B has more heads and WW2 weapons and bits.