Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Yeah; completely missing any unit composition or equipment rules. Given the date and all I’m not going to trust it in the slightest.

Leadership seems low. But I think HBMC said lower is now better - not sure if that was speculation or not.

Also built-in Overwatch.

I thought I heard that for Leadership smaller numbers were better. If so, this supposed datasheet indicates that a Sergeant... makes their Leadership worse?

Could be fake for April 1 yes. I was mainly thinking about the lack of any options when I posted it. No grenade launcher, no Sgt options

Compared to the Termagant sheet it's also easy to see that the header is fake, the Termagant one has a textured background and does recede a bit to give room to the models, while the 'Primaris' one is just a straight bar with a color gradient:





The SM one also lacks the Faction Symbol as a divider between unit keywords and faction keywords. And the SM one has a space between Keywords and the following ':', the Tyranid one does not. The Tyranid one has symbols (Crosshair, crossed hammers) in front of the ranged and melee weapons, the SM one does not. The color of the profile headers is also wrong in the SM profile, and it uses the wrong font in the profile entries itself.

The datasheet seems fake to me. For example, there are a couple formatting imperfections, and the background design isn't consistent with the Termagant's and doesn't look SM-specific.

Also, it's the 1st of April.

I made a quick comparison that outlines some of the design inconsistencies:

Good catch!

Also, 'Fight Phase' should be in capitals in the last ability, because it is a game concept like To Wound etc.

And like on the second datasheet for the Termagants, the Seargant should just have his own profile line instead of changing the unit LD via an unnecessary ability

Wayniac wrote:
Here's something that might be more legit though. Apparently leaked intercessor data sheet:

Spoiler:

Notice anything interesting? So much for all you need is the data sheet.

That seems noticeably less legit tbh.

Also, I suspect the purple banner on the termagant card is because purple is the tyranid faction colour. I doubt space marines will have purple banners.

Tsagualsa wrote:
Compared to the Termagant sheet it's also easy to see that the header is fake, the Termagant one has a textured background and does recede a bit to give room to the models, while the 'Primaris' one is just a straight bar with a color gradient:

On another note, with regards to the 'real' datasheet. How do players know how many models in a unit?

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Compared to the Termagant sheet it's also easy to see that the header is fake, the Termagant one has a textured background and does recede a bit to give room to the models, while the 'Primaris' one is just a straight bar with a color gradient:

On another note, with regards to the 'real' datasheet. How do players know how many models in a unit?

Assumption is the points list.

Maybe back of card?

May just be a mockup/half finished thing for internal purposes rather than "fake", but that's good work pointing out all the inconsistencies, it definitely should not be treated as gospel

Billicus wrote:
May just be a mockup/half finished thing for internal purposes rather than "fake", but that's good work pointing out all the inconsistencies, it definitely should not be treated as gospel

I doubt that an internal mockup would leak when other stuff that is shown is obviously finished, but sure, we can't completely rule out that it might be legit, although with all the errors and today being April Fool's day i'm 99% sure it's fake

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I thought I heard that for Leadership smaller numbers were better. If so, this supposed datasheet indicates that a Sergeant... makes their Leadership worse?

Yeah that's correct. The Tyranid CP datasheet has rippers with a higher leadership than termagants.

I believe the battleshock test is to roll equal/above Ld on 2D6.

There’s no guarantee that lower leadership is better. In the past ripper swarms were fearless, so a higher leadership doesn’t seem unreasonable.

Besides, we have no frame of reference for leadership in 10th. For all we know Space Marines have leadership 20.

Also, the datacard listing ripper swarm Ld as 10+ while the Termagants are 9+, and the general consensus seems to think this is for the Combat Patrol game mode, while the other datacard only showing Termagants has Ld 8+. For all we know, morale could work differently in Combat Patrol versus the main game.

Not exactly conclusive evidence that lower leadership stats are necessarily better.

Yeah, whoever put together the fake Intercessor sheet didn't realise how Leadership works in 10th.

Aash wrote:
There’s no guarantee that lower leadership is better.

They told us that lower = better.

Garrac wrote:
So, I dunno if you guys have talked about it, but, have you already posted the new nids leaks?

Spoiler:

Take it with THE BIGGEST GRAIN OF SALT POSSIBLE as it was posted on "English guys go full Mr Comedy Day", I think

Oh, I forgot to tell the source: a supposed leaker on B&C that deleted the post inmediately after. The image is from a redditor who made the screenshots on time.

Salt.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah, whoever put together the fake Intercessor sheet didn't realise how Leadership works in 10th.

Aash wrote:
There’s no guarantee that lower leadership is better.

They told us that lower = better.

I must’ve missed that. Where did they say that?

If they did, then even the Termagant sheet is wonky since it says "7+" for Leadership.

Wayniac wrote:
If they did, then even the Termagant sheet is wonky since it says "7+" for Leadership.

Lower is better, as in you must roll over the characteristic to pass the test (bringing leadership in line with all other characteristic tests, roll over the threshold to pass). Gaunt, 7+ to pass.

 Insularum wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
If they did, then even the Termagant sheet is wonky since it says "7+" for Leadership.

Lower is better, as in you must roll over the characteristic to pass the test (bringing leadership in line with all other characteristic tests, roll over the threshold to pass). Gaunt, 7+ to pass.

That’s certainly the assumption everyone appears to be making (myself included), but AFAIK it is just an assumption and not officially confirmed.

So, Valrak talks about the nids rumours. He says it speaks about some nids units Valrak says he wanted to speak about on a future video, so it has some foundation, but as allways "If you want to believe it, believe it" and a last part that I havent been able to understand correctly outside the recap, if anyone gets it better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7FIwLLHq5k

Garrac wrote:
So, Valrak talks about the nids rumours. He says it speaks about some nids units Valrak says he wanted to speak about on a future video, so it has some foundation, but as allways "If you want to believe it, believe it" and a last part that I havent been able to understand correctly outside the recap, if anyone gets it better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7FIwLLHq5k

Seems like a lot of nonsense to me - IMHO the alleged 'Bolter and Chainsword leak' is an Aprils Fools joke, the name 'Magistraunt' comes from the debunked/fake 4chan rumours, the name 'Ceravex' is a trademarked term from a tool company, and the word 'Viragon' has been used in the old Warhammer 40k CCG as a Trygon variant...

In my opinion, either Valrak himself fell for an April Fool's joke, or is behind the alleged 'leak'...

Also, in the last few sentences of the video, he alludes that he can see 'April, you know, that's my girlfriend, i can see her through the window now' so i guess that's another very heavyhanded hint at it being a joke.

Tsagualsa wrote:

Garrac wrote:
So, Valrak talks about the nids rumours. He says it speaks about some nids units Valrak says he wanted to speak about on a future video, so it has some foundation, but as allways "If you want to believe it, believe it" and a last part that I havent been able to understand correctly outside the recap, if anyone gets it better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7FIwLLHq5k

Seems like a lot of nonsense to me - IMHO the alleged 'Bolter and Chainsword leak' is an Aprils Fools joke, the name 'Magistraunt' comes from the debunked/fake 4chan rumours, the name 'Ceravex' is a trademarked term from a tool company, and the word 'Viragon' has been used in the old Warhammer 40k CCG as a Trygon variant...

In my opinion, either Valrak himself fell for an April Fool's joke, or is behind the alleged 'leak'...

Also, in the last few sentences of the video, he alludes that he can see 'April, you know, that's my girlfriend, i can see her through the window now' so i guess that's another very heavyhanded hint at it being a joke.

No, his oft mentioned partner is just named April.

Without speaking to these rumours being true or not (it's absolutely the wrong day for me to take anything seriously there), a trademark being registered by a tool company would really have no impact on GW unless they also had a toyline in active production of the same name - trademarks are only valid in the categories they are trademarked in, or where there is a reasonable risk of confusion and passing off. It would not stop GW using that name at all. God knows "Cypher" is trademarked elsewhere a lot.

It would also not be the first time GW has recycled an Epic era Tyranid name for a new model that bore very little conceptual resemblence to the original.

Personally I'm hoping its an April fools, because I just cant seem to say "Ceravex" out loud without it sounding like "Cervix"

Aash wrote:

 Insularum wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
If they did, then even the Termagant sheet is wonky since it says "7+" for Leadership.

Lower is better, as in you must roll over the characteristic to pass the test (bringing leadership in line with all other characteristic tests, roll over the threshold to pass). Gaunt, 7+ to pass.

That’s certainly the assumption everyone appears to be making (myself included), but AFAIK it is just an assumption and not officially confirmed.

I'm pretty sure it was mentioned on stream. Otherwise there's no way termagants who were LD5 before are now LD8 without specific reasons for it.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Aash wrote:

 Insularum wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
If they did, then even the Termagant sheet is wonky since it says "7+" for Leadership.

Lower is better, as in you must roll over the characteristic to pass the test (bringing leadership in line with all other characteristic tests, roll over the threshold to pass). Gaunt, 7+ to pass.

That’s certainly the assumption everyone appears to be making (myself included), but AFAIK it is just an assumption and not officially confirmed.

I'm pretty sure it was mentioned on stream. Otherwise there's no way termagants who were LD5 before are now LD8 without specific reasons for it.

I watched the twitch stream back today in response to this thread and found no mention of it. They mention that morale is now battle shock, it happens in the command phase, doesn’t remove models, can impact the way units operate for a number of turns as battle shock wears them down etc, but no mention of the actual mechanics of testing, or of the change to the Leadership stat.

Happy to be proven wrong if someone can point me at the Warcom article or time stamp in one of the videos uploaded that actually addresses the leadership stat and how it works.