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2018/08/07 13:48:52
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Chikout wrote: A couple of things that may have been missed in all the kerfuffle. The rules pack comes with two Warlord, two Reaver, two warhound, and two knight terminal cards. Interestingly it also comes with two reference sheets. In terms of actually playing the game it looks like it has been designed to only need one rules pack unless you are trying to stage pretty big fights.
As for buying just the rules, I have 2 epic warlords, 2 reavers, 2 warhounds and a dozen Knights at home. If I divide all THW measurements by 2 and play on a 2 by 2 table, I could easily play the game without buying a single mini.
As for the new big minis, the lack of weapon options is a disappointment, but the posability is a big step up from the 40k Knights. You could have two warlords and easily tell them apart just by the pose without having to do any conversion work.
I think these kits will sell a lot just as collectors items. There is a beautifully painted Reaver that I saw on twitter the other day that really made me want to buy one.
Hi, do you have other angles on this? I did a reverse search but no luck.
Chikout wrote: I did the maths and if you count all the cardboard as they are priced individually both bloodbowl and Necromunda have a similar percentage discount to Adeptus Titanicus.
I think the thing that has surprised me is how surprised people are by the price. The change in the scale was announced two years ago. The level of the discount was announced at Warhammerfest 3 months ago. (one Warlord) People seem to have been expecting the Warlord to come out for less than £50 comparing them to armiger Knights even though they are both thinner and shorter than the Warlord.
GW repeatedly said this is their most expensive box set but optimistic players seemed to think that they can't possibly mean that.
It is being pitched as a crunchy old school game and marketed to the kind of Horus Heresy player used to paying £175 for a single cerestus knight.
I am curious how many people in this thread have bought one of those big forgeworld kits. It might tell us whether the dakka crowd really is gw's target market.
For the record, the most expensive GW thing I have ever bought was the Archaon model for £100 and I am on the cusp with this. It is more expensive than I hoped, but not more than I expected.
Yeah, it's odd. I mean I was hoping for £150 and it was 10% extra.
What were people that think this is massively priced hoping for? I don't understand the surprise.
IKR was almost a two for one, when you factor in terrain, I think.
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Tygre wrote: At £175 (roughly $340 NZ$heep) I would consider buying it. But for $435 NZ$heep (like the £160 Slaughter Troupe) the answer is probably no. £235 is a lot. That is like my share of 3 weeks rent.
So buy this and a tent, that's 4 weeks rent. I'm sure you can suspend your lease for a month and go camping, the NZ countryside is lovely.
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2018/08/07 14:10:04
Subject: Re:Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Perhaps they are testing to see how high they can go and how the market reacts to it. Their usual starter boxes for something like this are in the 150-160 range with tons more plastic. This isn't designed for the mass market like 40k starter or sigmar starter was, so I can see it being charged more, but this high is a bit much. Even with the places selling 30% off its still about 230 or so shipped.
My thing is its actual value. The models are beautiful, the terrain is "meh" at best. I just don't see it being played often in my area and everyone else around here doesent feel like spending that much on it. Most of us have epic 40k armies though and own some of these already from 3rd party creators so more reason not to get it.
2018/08/07 14:14:39
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Macrossmartin wrote: This game is really bringing out the worst in some people, it seems. Or rather, the price and / or the policies applied by GW that led to it. I'm seeing some nasty exchanges between pro and anti camps out there on the interwebs.
I'd link to some from an ATFB group I'd joined - but I was banned for suggesting people have a right to express themselves, and it'd be nice if we all got along for a change.
I'm still in the market for this, now that the wave-motion gun-like blast of sticker-shock is beginning to echo off into the distance. But I can understand why many are pulling the plug.
My big concern is if this backlash will leave the game stillborn. Hopefully my fears will prove ill-founded, but I do wonder if GW have really missed the gaming community's vibe on this one.
On slightly less speculative matters - do we have a release date for weapons upgrade sets? And what can we expect to see in such a set?
Honestly it boils down to it was foolish to shove terrain into the big set, thus pushing it’s total discount to a threshold where it still costs a little more than the models that come in the box.
Terrain for a game is a much more specialised niche than models for a game. Most people play at stores or clubs and don’t have to worry much about that.
Agreed. As a painter I don't care for it either. It would have been lovely (for me) if they had just cut out the terrain, and the cost of it, entirely. Then I'd still be looking forward to this.
2018/08/07 14:17:00
Subject: Re:Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Sure, I would buy more things if they were cheaper too - but a company will price to get maximum return on their investment.
Of course they will. I would not expect different. GW though has a history of pricing itself higher than that. This to me seems like a case of that. They have done great over the past year for several reasons. One of which was making their box games really good deals. This seems to not be a very good deal to me. Compare it to Knight Renegade, Knight renegade gave a substantial discount on both knights and free terrain on top of that. This gives ... . .. . . free terrain? I know they value the cardboard and dice as well. But that imo is part of the problem.
You are still getting charged what you were before, we've just decided to gimp our economy so when you compare across to us it looks worse.
Sure and like before I try to get the best prices I can. In this case the best price in the US is still more than I see for value. The best price in the UK is something I would pay however.
Believe me, you are getting the better part of that deal.
I mean, we have our own problems here also. They just are different.
2018/08/07 14:18:01
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
It makes me sad that Titanicus will be the alter upon which we signal the GW chaos Gods what is too high a price. It should have been something to do with stormcasts that flops due to expense, not Titanicus.
Adeptus Titanicus and the Horus Heresy have a long and intertwined history. Though the Heresy was first mentioned in the original Warhammer 40,000 rulebook in 1987, it was the following year that Adeptus Titanicus expanded on it and introduced the core of the background you know and love – all as a way to explain battles between two armies of Imperial Titans!
Thirty years later, the new edition of Adeptus Titanicus is returning to the Horus Heresy, once again bringing titanic warfare back to the forefront – and it’s all been done in conjunction with Black Library and Forge World’s Horus Heresy series.
When it was determined that Adeptus Titanicus would be getting a new edition, the Specialist Brands team set to work on figuring out how it would fit into the background. It was clear that there was scope in the existing story for massive clashes between Titan Legions – the Betrayal at Calth and the Battle of Tallarn to name just two.
There was also an opportunity to add new elements to the timelines of the Horus Heresy – including something unique and cataclysmic that would also explain why the Titan Legions of the 41st Millennium are both smaller and rarer than during the Great Crusade.
And so the Great Slaughter at Beta-Garmon and the Titandeath were born.
References to Beta-Garmon were seeded into Forge World’s Horus Heresy series, establishing it as a major cluster of worlds on the path to Terra – a natural stopping point for Horus’ forces before the final battle – and across a variety of Black Library’s Horus Heresy stories, its importance was further emphasised. In Gav Thorpe’s Weregeld (in the Corax anthology), the Raven Guard primarch found out about the Imperial muster at Beta-Garmon – a thread followed up in the audio drama Valerius. Guy Haley’s short story Duty Waits referenced some of the immense battles on that world. And in Wolfsbane, also by Guy, we finally found out the Imperium’s plan for holding and bloodying the traitor forces there.
That all leads to Guy’s latest Horus Heresy novel, Titandeath, coming this December, which will be essential reading for all Adeptus Titanicus players, giving unparalleled insights into the battles at Beta-Garmon. We asked Guy about the creative process behind Titandeath, and he was only too happy to answer.
Guy: One of my favourite aspects of this job is getting to work with other people. I started my professional life as part of a small, creative team, eventually coming to run one in the shape of White Dwarf. Times change. As an author, I work alone, like an aelf wanderer, or a sad lost grot. The flexibility writing gives to my life is beyond worth, but I do hanker after collaboration with others, and when I wrote Titandeath, I got that in spades!
From the beginning, the links between Adeptus Titanicus and Titandeath were strong. Andy Hoare and Owen Barnes placed the game firmly in the Horus Heresy, just like the original. However, nowadays the Heresy era is a vast and detailed setting. As they were working on various war zones and histories of the period, I was writing a book detailing Beta-Garmon, the location of the largest Titan-on-Titan battles ever. It was natural, nay obvious, that we should put our heads together.
As I planned my novel, Andy and Owen kept up a steady stream of information coming to me. Throughout the process we talked often, thrashing out details, working out who was where, when and why. They were nothing but gracious with their toys, incorporating many of my ideas into their background for the Beta-Garmon war zone, and tweaking bits to suit the story I wanted to tell.
When creative people work together like this, the result is always stronger than an individual effort. The result is a Horus Heresy novel more firmly embedded in the gaming side of things than ever before, one that was an absolute pleasure for me to write.
Whether you want to set your games of Adeptus Titanicus during the heart of the Titandeath, or elsewhere in the Horus Heresy timeline, the Adeptus Titanicus rulebook has plenty of story hooks and ideas, as well as narrative scenarios set on Beta-Garmon, Molech and other familiar worlds from the novel series – including Mars itself.
The setting also allows you to customise your Titan Legion and accompanying Knight Houses to your tastes – will you support Horus or remain loyal to the Emperor? Will you and your friends collect different Legios or stage a civil war amongst one? The possibilities are endless – and the Horus Heresy novel series is a great place to look for ideas.
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2018/08/07 14:35:41
Subject: Re:Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Sure, I would buy more things if they were cheaper too - but a company will price to get maximum return on their investment.
Of course they will. I would not expect different. GW though has a history of pricing itself higher than that. This to me seems like a case of that. They have done great over the past year for several reasons. One of which was making their box games really good deals. This seems to not be a very good deal to me. Compare it to Knight Renegade, Knight renegade gave a substantial discount on both knights and free terrain on top of that. This gives ... . .. . . free terrain? I know they value the cardboard and dice as well. But that imo is part of the problem.
You are still getting charged what you were before, we've just decided to gimp our economy so when you compare across to us it looks worse.
Sure and like before I try to get the best prices I can. In this case the best price in the US is still more than I see for value. The best price in the UK is something I would pay however.
Believe me, you are getting the better part of that deal.
I mean, we have our own problems here also. They just are different.
I think it's important to at least acknowledge that that cardboard is the one of thing GW will have to pay 'standard industry prices' for, it's not something they make themselves like the plastic so they have less margin to cut compared to a 40K starter which 'just' has the rulebook in)
not that it make it any easier if the price is more than you want to pay, but there are some reasons for that price being less of a deal than some other box sets
2018/08/07 14:39:22
Subject: Re:Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
If people buy into the hype that it is "limited edition" so to say with people having to wait for 2019 for a reprint.... and people buy into this at $290 USD then they have set the stage for beginner box sets for the future by putting out propreganda. Well at $290 for the very limited content in that box set they can stuff it. I hope that others rise up against this price stupidity. If you buy into the bs.... expect the bs to be the new norm.
2018/08/07 14:45:38
Subject: Re:Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
not that it make it any easier if the price is more than you want to pay, but there are some reasons for that price being less of a deal than some other box sets
Again its not so much that its more than i'm willing to pay. Its that I think I will get more mileage from my money spending it on other products.
2018/08/07 15:00:51
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Regardless of what I'm personally willing to spend, I have to question the wisdom of launching a new game with such an expensive product. There is a risk that too many people baulk at the price and the game will flounder as there will not be enough players to support a healthy community. Even if they wanted to make the Warlords this expensive, it might have been wiser to make the starter box cheaper with Reavers instead of Warlords and no terrain. Once people are already invested in the game, it is much easier to sell them expensive centrepiece models.
Crimson wrote: Regardless of what I'm personally willing to spend, I have to question the wisdom of launching a new game with such an expensive product. There is a risk that too many people baulk at the price and the game will flounder as there will not be enough players to support a healthy community. Even if they wanted to make the Warlords this expensive, it might have been wiser to make the starter box cheaper with Reavers instead of Warlords and no terrain. Once people are already invested in the game, it is much easier to sell them expensive centrepiece models.
I definately agree with you. Even if they had reavers as the main or warhounds to get into the max $160 USD box set range. All this does is set a very bad stage...
My problem is the whole hype they put behind it, they are making it seem like a limited release like get it now or else you can't get it til 2019 like they are doing everyone some kind of favor. It is a marketing scheme pure and simple. Try to create a demand to justify the price you want to get. A very poor business tactic and if bought into could set the stage for all future releases. Hopefully people won't buy into this kind of stupidity as now you made almost $300 the new norm for a starter or specialist box set.
Yes the warlord knights are cool and big but in all honesty you don't get a very good selection for a boxed set especially one priced almost double over any of their other boxed sets/ specialist games. I hope this is not the way of things to come. GW already had Acura pricing for their models... this easily will put them in Lamborgini pricing.
Good luck GW,, I can't and won't buy into it. This will price the average gamer right out of gaming making it very hard to find anyone to even play with.
2018/08/07 15:09:50
Subject: Re:Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Europe? Hey that's not so bad.
Americas? Gosh that's a lot
Oceania? HELL NO!
Or GW for not realizing that exchange rates have changed and forcing us to pay 8 year old exchange rates.
It's pretty disgraceful really. I'm no Economist / Lawyer, but I gotta think there's some wrong-doing here. But it's obviously legal, hence they'll do it if they can get away with it. And with their massive market share, they can get away with it fine so far.
2018/08/07 15:10:10
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Crimson wrote: Regardless of what I'm personally willing to spend, I have to question the wisdom of launching a new game with such an expensive product. There is a risk that too many people baulk at the price and the game will flounder as there will not be enough players to support a healthy community. Even if they wanted to make the Warlords this expensive, it might have been wiser to make the starter box cheaper with Reavers instead of Warlords and no terrain. Once people are already invested in the game, it is much easier to sell them expensive centrepiece models.
I hear that, but I think that patience is part of their plan. The GM box isn't aimed at price-sensitive people on the fence. Those may be enticed later, once the Reavers and Warhounds become available and normal maniples start hitting tabletops. And Reavers will probably be out by the time most people get their Warlords assembled and tables in order.
Sure, they may scare some away for good. But they're probably banking on at least some people coming around after seeing the amazing models on tables, in WD, the community page, etc. Promotion won't end after the launch.
It's probably important to mention that based on points levels we've seen on the terminals, you can probably approach a 1500 point maniple with just a Warlord, a Reaver, two Warhounds and a unit of Knights. That Axiom Battleline Maniple (WL, 2 R, 2 WH) should top 1500. A mid-level maniple probably won't be as large or quite as expensive as some think.
Justyn wrote: Or GW for not realizing that exchange rates have changed and forcing us to pay 8 year old exchange rates.
Or GW not realizing they have been getting the exchange rate wrong for their entire 40+ year history.
It's not that easy. For one thing, they have to price the models to be exchange rate sustainable, so if the exchange rate fluctuates wildly, their profits will not sink for periods of time. They could do the exchange rate thing if you were buying from the UK directly and the exchange rate is up to you.
Similarly, you aren't just buying the product. You are also paying for it to be shipped and warehoused in another country. So, the cost in the UK includes the cost of them having their own warehouse and shipping, but buying it in the US all that, plus shipping transcontinentally and warehousing in the other country on top of that. I think the US has its own facilities for a lot of things, which allows them to print some of the product in the US (but obviously, not all of it - custom dice, for example), and that's why the US prices are cheaper than AUS, where everything is created abroad and shipped there.
TL;DR - the exchange rate is not the only factor in prices. The US will always pay more for UK goods than people in the UK.
2018/08/07 15:54:45
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Macrossmartin wrote: This game is really bringing out the worst in some people, it seems. Or rather, the price and / or the policies applied by GW that led to it. I'm seeing some nasty exchanges between pro and anti camps out there on the interwebs.
I'd link to some from an ATFB group I'd joined - but I was banned for suggesting people have a right to express themselves, and it'd be nice if we all got along for a change.
I'm still in the market for this, now that the wave-motion gun-like blast of sticker-shock is beginning to echo off into the distance. But I can understand why many are pulling the plug.
My big concern is if this backlash will leave the game stillborn. Hopefully my fears will prove ill-founded, but I do wonder if GW have really missed the gaming community's vibe on this one.
On slightly less speculative matters - do we have a release date for weapons upgrade sets? And what can we expect to see in such a set?
This is going to have the effect I was fearing. Looking at the size of the minis, and how little movement there appears in the mock ups, it looks like a game with minimal movement and therefore tactics. So this means peeps are paying a lot for a game that will lose its novelty pretty quickly, and when everyone is tired of moving their units to the center of the board to duke it out, the game will collect dust.
I have been hoping there would be an expansion to this to at least include Space Marines down the road, but I just don't see that happening. I can only imagine what those would cost too. I had sticker shock when Epic 40k came out, and it was $10 for what was essentially 2 of the same size sprues that came 5 to a pack for $15 for SM2/TL.
What a shame. I just can't believe GW can't understand what made Epic so great in the first place. AT was great, but it was the mini Space Marines and Land Raiders that kicked down the door.
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2018/08/07 15:56:01
Subject: Re:Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
I hear that, but I think that patience is part of their plan. The GM box isn't aimed at price-sensitive people on the fence. Those may be enticed later, once the Reavers and Warhounds become available and normal maniples start hitting tabletops. And Reavers will probably be out by the time most people get their Warlords assembled and tables in order.
Sure, they may scare some away for good. But they're probably banking on at least some people coming around after seeing the amazing models on tables, in WD, the community page, etc. Promotion won't end after the launch.
It's probably important to mention that based on points levels we've seen on the terminals, you can probably approach a 1500 point maniple with just a Warlord, a Reaver, two Warhounds and a unit of Knights. That Axiom Battleline Maniple (WL, 2 R, 2 WH) should top 1500. A mid-level maniple probably won't be as large or quite as expensive as some think.
I love the responses that only take into account the big box. Its like those of us who are saying no cannot see the prices of the other boxes.
2018/08/07 16:00:08
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Crimson wrote: Regardless of what I'm personally willing to spend, I have to question the wisdom of launching a new game with such an expensive product. There is a risk that too many people baulk at the price and the game will flounder as there will not be enough players to support a healthy community. Even if they wanted to make the Warlords this expensive, it might have been wiser to make the starter box cheaper with Reavers instead of Warlords and no terrain. Once people are already invested in the game, it is much easier to sell them expensive centrepiece models.
I definately agree with you. Even if they had reavers as the main or warhounds to get into the max $160 USD box set range. All this does is set a very bad stage...
My problem is the whole hype they put behind it, they are making it seem like a limited release like get it now or else you can't get it til 2019 like they are doing everyone some kind of favor. It is a marketing scheme pure and simple. Try to create a demand to justify the price you want to get. A very poor business tactic and if bought into could set the stage for all future releases. Hopefully people won't buy into this kind of stupidity as now you made almost $300 the new norm for a starter or specialist box set.
Yes the warlord knights are cool and big but in all honesty you don't get a very good selection for a boxed set especially one priced almost double over any of their other boxed sets/ specialist games. I hope this is not the way of things to come. GW already had Acura pricing for their models... this easily will put them in Lamborgini pricing.
Good luck GW,, I can't and won't buy into it. This will price the average gamer right out of gaming making it very hard to find anyone to even play with.
A lot of the anger at the price I think reflects that the 200 dollar threshold is difficult to get past. Whenever I see someone trying to move an army and they ask north of 200, it always takes a long time no matter how good the value is. However, it's also hard to fault GW for making this decision. Knights have been exceedingly well received and have been one of the best selling model types. So asking 110 for a knight sized model is not outrageous because people have been buying them in bunches. However, GW must know that 200 dollars is a little much since the renegade boxed set is under 200 and that includes two full sized knights. The castellan is under 200 as well. I assume the lack of a bigger discount is based on the assumption that sales volume will be lower for this game.
2018/08/07 16:02:48
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
I've thought of analogy to explain it to all the "well, what were you expecting you moron" peeps posting in the thread on the price.
I was braced to be kicked in the nuts, but while I wasn't looking the kicker swapped their shoes for steel toe capped boots.
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The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
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I hear that, but I think that patience is part of their plan. The GM box isn't aimed at price-sensitive people on the fence. Those may be enticed later, once the Reavers and Warhounds become available and normal maniples start hitting tabletops. And Reavers will probably be out by the time most people get their Warlords assembled and tables in order.
Sure, they may scare some away for good. But they're probably banking on at least some people coming around after seeing the amazing models on tables, in WD, the community page, etc. Promotion won't end after the launch.
It's probably important to mention that based on points levels we've seen on the terminals, you can probably approach a 1500 point maniple with just a Warlord, a Reaver, two Warhounds and a unit of Knights. That Axiom Battleline Maniple (WL, 2 R, 2 WH) should top 1500. A mid-level maniple probably won't be as large or quite as expensive as some think.
I love the responses that only take into account the big box. Its like those of us who are saying no cannot see the prices of the other boxes.
If you have a new point to make, you can address me directly. I'm guessing you don't?
Europe? Hey that's not so bad.
Americas? Gosh that's a lot
Oceania? HELL NO!
Or GW for not realizing that exchange rates have changed and forcing us to pay 8 year old exchange rates.
It's pretty disgraceful really. I'm no Economist / Lawyer, but I gotta think there's some wrong-doing here. But it's obviously legal, hence they'll do it if they can get away with it. And with their massive market share, they can get away with it fine so far.
Unfortunately, almost every company does it. Apple products for example are the same price in dollars and pounds, so uk customers end up paying about 25% more. Pretty much every video game is more expensive in the uk etc, etc.
2018/08/07 16:04:42
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
bogalubov wrote: A lot of the anger at the price I think reflects that the 200 dollar threshold is difficult to get past. Whenever I see someone trying to move an army and they ask north of 200, it always takes a long time no matter how good the value is. However, it's also hard to fault GW for making this decision. Knights have been exceedingly well received and have been one of the best selling model types. So asking 110 for a knight sized model is not outrageous because people have been buying them in bunches. However, GW must know that 200 dollars is a little much since the renegade boxed set is under 200 and that includes two full sized knights. The castellan is under 200 as well. I assume the lack of a bigger discount is based on the assumption that sales volume will be lower for this game.
Yeah, I think your assumption is probably on target.
I guess I have been pretty lucky financially over the last few years so I'm not quite so flustered by the price. Still, $300 is far less than I have to pay to put together a 2000 pt army so I'm not particularly outraged by the price. Let's say to add 2 reavers and 2 warhounds gets me to the $500 mark. Even then I am well below what I put in to my astral militarum army.
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2018/08/07 16:05:15
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Macrossmartin wrote: This game is really bringing out the worst in some people, it seems. Or rather, the price and / or the policies applied by GW that led to it. I'm seeing some nasty exchanges between pro and anti camps out there on the interwebs.
I'd link to some from an ATFB group I'd joined - but I was banned for suggesting people have a right to express themselves, and it'd be nice if we all got along for a change.
I'm still in the market for this, now that the wave-motion gun-like blast of sticker-shock is beginning to echo off into the distance. But I can understand why many are pulling the plug.
My big concern is if this backlash will leave the game stillborn. Hopefully my fears will prove ill-founded, but I do wonder if GW have really missed the gaming community's vibe on this one.
On slightly less speculative matters - do we have a release date for weapons upgrade sets? And what can we expect to see in such a set?
This is going to have the effect I was fearing. Looking at the size of the minis, and how little movement there appears in the mock ups, it looks like a game with minimal movement and therefore tactics. So this means peeps are paying a lot for a game that will lose its novelty pretty quickly, and when everyone is tired of moving their units to the center of the board to duke it out, the game will collect dust.
I have been hoping there would be an expansion to this to at least include Space Marines down the road, but I just don't see that happening. I can only imagine what those would cost too. I had sticker shock when Epic 40k came out, and it was $10 for what was essentially 2 of the same size sprues that came 5 to a pack for $15 for SM2/TL.
What a shame. I just can't believe GW can't understand what made Epic so great in the first place. AT was great, but it was the mini Space Marines and Land Raiders that kicked down the door.
Since when has there not been movement? The latest White Dwarf has knights running around a Reaver to take it down by taking advantage of their greater mobility, we know that your guns gain more Strength when you fire at the side or rear of your target and so forth. If you're referring to the stream, that had two Warlords with volcano cannons blasting each other apart, I agree they stayed quite put. But that I think comes down to the ever present issue: terrain. Put more terrain on the table and have a proper city to fight in. While I agree that a Warlord could well loom over most buildings, the smaller titans and knights definitely should be able to hide behind terrain and emphasize their mobility. That's the way to good games.
Also, objectives and missions are a thing, like the main designer of the game has said even in this very thread. Duking it out in the middle is not the expected outcome for most matches.
And once more, this has nothing to do with Epic. It is not that they don't understand what made it great in its own right, it is that they wanted to make a different game. This isn't Epic. It was never meant to be Epic. It may someday expand towards Epic, but it is about titans and GW has been crystal clear on that matter from the very beginning.
For one thing, they have to price the models to be exchange rate sustainable, so if the exchange rate fluctuates wildly, their profits will not sink for periods of time. They could do the exchange rate thing if you were buying from the UK directly and the exchange rate is up to you.
For multinationals selling in multiple currencies, you would typically have the finance department hedge the foreign exchange risk, especially if you expect wild fluctuations. If they do, that must appear in their financial statements. I haven't checked that.
2018/08/07 16:24:26
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
I’m hoping a little ways down the road (within 3-6 months), we’ll see a true starter set that comes with Reaver/Warhounds and Knights, and some trimmed-down terrain (maybe with the box itself being used as terrain, ala the smaller 40K starters). Hopefully, that will be more in line with what folks are willing to swallow on price.
I actually think this Grand Master set is akin to the Dark Imperium set - the “get it first, get it BIG” sort of set, and hopefully Roundtree had in mind a smaller set for the rest of us.
It never ends well
2018/08/07 16:38:06
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Got to say at the moment i think il pass on this one. Maybe down the road if it’s still going and has more than just titans then I might have a re think.
As is it’s just not for me even cost aside, now the lotr set that’s coming is another matter entirely.
2018/08/07 16:46:31
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
I would see maniples box sets, e.g. axiom battleline maniple or venator light maniple, including the command terminal pack and additional weapons sprues
but without a really decent discount they would remain expensive
what would a venator light maniple cost? mandatory components: 1 Reaver + 2 Warhounds ...
