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ValentineGames wrote:

richstrach wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:
No thank you.
I can buy an entire historical army for less.

Yup. I'm pricing up two full armies for Lion Rampant at the moment - together they should cost me aroud £80 or so. Kind of puts it all in perspective!

Indeed. And you'll probably get more use out of it to. And use it in multiple systems. Like frostgrave or numerous osprey games.

Value for money.

That's fine... whereas I wouldn't consider a historical army and a titan maniple to be interchangeable, and I honestly fail to see who would, unless they weren't very interested to begin with.

That's fine... whereas I wouldn't consider a historical army and a titan maniple to be interchangeable, and I honestly fail to see who would, unless they weren't very interested to begin with.

Well most of us have more than one interest. AT was just one of those. Given its price, and the availability and pricing of alternative giant stompy robot games, I don't think its going to get a lot of traction around here. Many people agree with me about their local areas. It may do great over all. It may flop. But that isn't what sells it to me. What sells it to me is: Will I get enough fun out of it to be worth the price? Or will I get more fun putting those dollars somewhere else? Currently I'm leaning towards investing my time and money somewhere else. I may pick up a single Reaver to put in the Cabinet next to the big Reaver. But buy the game.... nope. If I can get it from a UK discounter with reasonable shipping, that might change things. But its a big box and GW doesn't like to let people pay real world exchange rates, so the odds of that are very slim.

At £175 (roughly $340 NZ$heep) I would consider buying it. But for $435 NZ$heep (like the £160 Slaughter Troupe) the answer is probably no. £235 is a lot. That is like my share of 3 weeks rent.

Sure thing many more would buy it if the price is 175£ for all region. it's 290USD for rest of the world tho.

Tygre wrote:
At £175 (roughly $340 NZ$heep) I would consider buying it. But for $435 NZ$heep (like the £160 Slaughter Troupe) the answer is probably no. £235 is a lot. That is like my share of 3 weeks rent.

the set you compare with is not the most recent, and GW exchange rates are not consistent across the board, I would not be surprised to see it around NZ$ 580 (look at the Cawdor gang which is amongst the most recent releases £25 vs NZ$83)

This game is really bringing out the worst in some people, it seems. Or rather, the price and / or the policies applied by GW that led to it. I'm seeing some nasty exchanges between pro and anti camps out there on the interwebs.

I'd link to some from an AT FB group I'd joined - but I was banned for suggesting people have a right to express themselves, and it'd be nice if we all got along for a change.

I'm still in the market for this, now that the wave-motion gun-like blast of sticker-shock is beginning to echo off into the distance. But I can understand why many are pulling the plug.

My big concern is if this backlash will leave the game stillborn. Hopefully my fears will prove ill-founded, but I do wonder if GW have really missed the gaming community's vibe on this one.

On slightly less speculative matters - do we have a release date for weapons upgrade sets? And what can we expect to see in such a set?

Macrossmartin wrote:
On slightly less speculative matters - do we have a release date for weapons upgrade sets? And what can we expect to see in such a set?

The weapon cards that come with the rules cover all the planned add-ons, so you'll be able to see the full list when people start getting a hold of the game. With Warhammerfest Europe scheduled for the same day AT is released, I wouldn't be surprised to see GW reveal what's next there.

Macrossmartin wrote:
This game is really bringing out the worst in some people, it seems. Or rather, the price and / or the policies applied by GW that led to it. I'm seeing some nasty exchanges between pro and anti camps out there on the interwebs.

I'd link to some from an AT FB group I'd joined - but I was banned for suggesting people have a right to express themselves, and it'd be nice if we all got along for a change.

I'm still in the market for this, now that the wave-motion gun-like blast of sticker-shock is beginning to echo off into the distance. But I can understand why many are pulling the plug.

My big concern is if this backlash will leave the game stillborn. Hopefully my fears will prove ill-founded, but I do wonder if GW have really missed the gaming community's vibe on this one.

On slightly less speculative matters - do we have a release date for weapons upgrade sets? And what can we expect to see in such a set?

Honestly it boils down to it was foolish to shove terrain into the big set, thus pushing it’s total discount to a threshold where it still costs a little more than the models that come in the box.

Terrain for a game is a much more specialised niche than models for a game. Most people play at stores or clubs and don’t have to worry much about that.

I can't help but feel terrain is a really important part of the game. After all, if you read all the Titan-related stuff (Titanicus et al) it's terrain that makes it possible for Warhounds to take down Reavers and Warlords.

I think it's two things, first of all there are some people bitterly dissappointed that the cost of the GM box will make getting into AT hard, that said money and whats expensive is relative, some people can afford it others can't. That said I think once AT comes out we'll see people well.. adapting, reivers and warhounds aren't out this month anyway so really until they do AT'll be in it's infancy. people with a smaller hobby budget each month will have some time to build up slowly.
in addition to people who are just dissappointed and seeing something cool snatched from them due to dollar cost you have the useal "does nothing but complain about GW" crowd on the internet.

changemod wrote:

Honestly it boils down to it was foolish to shove terrain into the big set, thus pushing it’s total discount to a threshold where it still costs a little more than the models that come in the box.

Terrain for a game is a much more specialised niche than models for a game. Most people play at stores or clubs and don’t have to worry much about that.

I think it really boils down to mismanaging people's expectations.

I personally find the included terrain a nice touch. GME box is also a box that allows you to buy everything from AT first wave in a single shot.

Of course, without the terrain the cost of the box would likely have been lower. With other models too maybe. There are so many variations and so many preferences/tastes out there.

At that price... Nah thanks, I am going for BattleTech instead.
Maybe, if I ever have money to spare, I will start to slowly build up an AT force. But that grandmaster box is a big no.

 insaniak wrote:
... and it's disappointing that this might not have been the case of GW had made different decisions during development...

I doubt there's much stopping them from lowering the price if they want to. We know how inflated their prices are.

This box isn't so expensive because it has to be. It's expensive because they want it to be.

If it is $500+ NZD it will be literally twice as expensive as buying 40k Dark Imperium or AoS Soul Wars.

I want Adeptus Titanicus to succeed, but I worry that a these prices (especially in the more distant areas) it will flop hard.

But these are all consistent GW prices. It's not like they are an outlier, it's firmly in the range you'd expect.

We can all have our feelings about if that's too expensive, but with the way their finances are exploding it's hard to make a case for them being wrong

changemod wrote:

Honestly it boils down to it was foolish to shove terrain into the big set, thus pushing it’s total discount to a threshold where it still costs a little more than the models that come in the box.

Terrain for a game is a much more specialised niche than models for a game. Most people play at stores or clubs and don’t have to worry much about that.

The terrain is also a bit meh. Recent 40K terrain has been really amazing and interesting, this is basically just boxes stacked on each other.

 Crimson wrote:

The terrain is also a bit meh. Recent 40K terrain has been really amazing and interesting, this is basically just boxes stacked on each other.

Agreed, the recent 40K terrain is amazing, I refrained hard, very hard, from buying the kill team terrain, but with AT release close and funding limited …

Just boxes stacked on each other or elements for conversion. On the French epic community forum there are a couple of pictures from guys doing absolutely amazing buildings using various elements, including 40k terrain (e.g. a refinery using the sector Mechanicus stuff).

And I believe that we haven't seen the last of AT terrain.

I think it's two things, first of all there are some people bitterly dissappointed that the cost of the GM box will make getting into AT hard, that said money and whats expensive is relative, some people can afford it others can't. That said I think once AT comes out we'll see people well.. adapting, reivers and warhounds aren't out this month anyway so really until they do AT'll be in it's infancy. people with a smaller hobby budget each month will have some time to build up slowly.
in addition to people who are just dissappointed and seeing something cool snatched from them due to dollar cost you have the useal "does nothing but complain about GW" crowd on the internet.

I think some people are deluding themselves when others say they don't see the value. Its not about money or affording it, I have plenty of money and can afford it. Its value. I don't see the value as being any where near as high as the cost. I don't see the value in the base kits. Its not the big box is too expensive. I do see a lot of people falling for basic marketing. This box isn't for everybody, its only for discerning customers. That line is as old as salesmen.

changemod wrote:


Honestly it boils down to it was foolish to shove terrain into the big set, thus pushing it’s total discount to a threshold where it still costs a little more than the models that come in the box.

Terrain for a game is a much more specialised niche than models for a game. Most people play at stores or clubs and don’t have to worry much about that.

None of the stores here have terrain collections in AT's scale, and unless the game takes off in a massive way, I doubt many will invest in a collection for that small a niche (compared to generic terrain that works for any of 40K, Warmachine, Infinity, etc.). AT players will probably be bringing their own terrain with them to stores and clubs.

Seems to me that your opinion on it depends on what continent you live on.

Europe? Hey that's not so bad.
Americas? Gosh that's a lot
Oceania? HELL NO!

So basically the fault is with you for living in the wrong place.


Anyway I am dying for a let's play on this... want to see someone playing using the Grand Master set and with just one warlord to try and work out how much the actual game interests me.

Europe? Hey that's not so bad.
Americas? Gosh that's a lot
Oceania? HELL NO!

Or GW for not realizing that exchange rates have changed and forcing us to pay 8 year old exchange rates.

 Crimson wrote:

changemod wrote:

Honestly it boils down to it was foolish to shove terrain into the big set, thus pushing it’s total discount to a threshold where it still costs a little more than the models that come in the box.

Terrain for a game is a much more specialised niche than models for a game. Most people play at stores or clubs and don’t have to worry much about that.

The terrain is also a bit meh. Recent 40K terrain has been really amazing and interesting, this is basically just boxes stacked on each other.

Exactly!

The included terrain is kind of meh, and there's no where near enough of it in the box for a proper city table, so all it really accomplishes is pushing up the overall price of the box without really helping increase the 'value' or 'satisfaction' factor!

They could have left the terrain out, lowered the price a bit.

Justyn wrote:

Europe? Hey that's not so bad.
Americas? Gosh that's a lot
Oceania? HELL NO!

Or GW for not realizing that exchange rates have changed and forcing us to pay 8 year old exchange rates.

But why would they price based on currency fluctuations? They charge what they think they can in a given market.

If we walk of the no deal Brexit cliff and our currency devalues massively, it doesn't really affect what you're willing to pay in your local currency.

International Orders are good with the Loot Group, if peeps want to explore that possibility (between online discount and the already cheaper cost, it usually offsets the postage).

I’m genuinely torn myself. Definitely want in, and I could stretch to the big box. But I just can’t make my mind up whether to take that plunge, or space it out with lower cost purchases over a few months?

Justyn wrote:

Europe? Hey that's not so bad.
Americas? Gosh that's a lot
Oceania? HELL NO!

Or GW for not realizing that exchange rates have changed and forcing us to pay 8 year old exchange rates.

Or GW not realizing they have been getting the exchange rate wrong for their entire 40+ year history.

Can I just say that... in one page of posts, the Dakka community has restored my belief that it is possible for wargamers to conduct themselves intelligently and thoughtfully in debate and discussion. Even when GW pricing is involved. Nice work, folks.

AT will be my first venture back into the 'GW hobby' in over a decade. I was starting to wonder what I'd gotten myself into...

Have to agree on the 'meh-ness' of the terrain. I'm thinking of sculpting some turrets, steeples, domes etc that can be dropped on top to add height and variety. Otherwise, its out with the lasercutter.

Tygre wrote:


Or GW not realizing they have been getting the exchange rate wrong for their entire 40+ year history.

Dude they have quadrupled their profits from ~15m to >70m in two years, and their IP is exploding in popularity and sales.

They are better at business than you or I. Yes, they might have overcooked it for this boxed set but they have done it based on a much more detailed understanding of their sales landscape than we have.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


I’m genuinely torn myself. Definitely want in, and I could stretch to the big box. But I just can’t make my mind up whether to take that plunge, or space it out with lower cost purchases over a few months?

This is where I am. Don't want to jump in too early and find there's no local scene... but also want the GM set

I don't know if I want two Warlords in the long term, but having two means I have a built in opponent by letting someone else use my models. My concern is the false economy of spending £150 over a longer time on slightly less nice stuff and having no opponent at all.

Justyn wrote:
I do see a lot of people falling for basic marketing. This box isn't for everybody, its only for discerning customers. That line is as old as salesmen.

Funny thing is, GW isn't even touting that line. It's us making that up, to justify spending over €200 on under a dozen miniatures

The Australians are paying truly obscene prices. But I guess they should have thought of that before they put their thieving paws on Trevalyan's corn.

But why would they price based on currency fluctuations? They charge what they think they can in a given market.

If we walk of the no deal Brexit cliff and our currency devalues massively, it doesn't really affect what you're willing to pay in your local currency.

That sounds great and all. But the reality is I might be willing to pay what they charge in other countries, but not what they are charging in mine. And being a reasonably intelligent person I get even more incensed that they feel they can charge me more simply because I live here.

Justyn wrote:

But why would they price based on currency fluctuations? They charge what they think they can in a given market.

If we walk of the no deal Brexit cliff and our currency devalues massively, it doesn't really affect what you're willing to pay in your local currency.

That sounds great and all. But the reality is I might be willing to pay what they charge in other countries, but not what they are charging in mine. And being a reasonably intelligent person I get even more incensed that they feel they can charge me more simply because I live here.

Sure, I would buy more things if they were cheaper too - but a company will price to get maximum return on their investment.

You are still getting charged what you were before, we've just decided to gimp our economy so when you compare across to us it looks worse.

Believe me, you are getting the better part of that deal.