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I was talking to my local GW store manager yesterday about the SoB box. He only gets info second hand and has made some assumptions. Apparently GW consider that fine cast was only a stop gap after rapid rise in price of pewter. They obviously want to stop production of metal miniatures due to price of raw materials.
He speculated on the contents of the box. He thinks the codex will be the limited edition version. Models wise he expects a sisters squad, a cannonness, a retributor squad. After that he wasn’t sure, but maybe a penitent engine. He said the rumour of there being a 3 woman squad of Seraphim seems unlikely. He’s hoping that there will be a tank inside the box. He expects the price to be £150, although did mention there were rumours of it being over £200, which seems unlikely to me, but who knows?
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H.B.M.C. wrote: I'm not entirely sure why we even need a new Rhino in the first place...
The Rhino is fine but I suspect a full redo of the army means GW isn't satisfied with the current upgrade sprue anymore. The level of detail of the ornaments may not match the standard the entire rest of the army will have, and more importantly the gunner is going to look obviously inferior to any new Sisters.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
Geifer wrote: The Rhino is fine but I suspect a full redo of the army means GW isn't satisfied with the current upgrade sprue anymore. The level of detail of the ornaments may not match the standard the entire rest of the army will have, and more importantly the gunner is going to look obviously inferior to any new Sisters.
Well a redone Sisters vehicle sprue is a given - we've already seen it.
I'm just surprised that people are so torn up about there not being a new Rhino when the current Rhino remains the single most modular thing in the GW range.
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The weirdness is that they seemed to have made a completely new bespoke Deimos chassis for Immolator and/or Exorcist... and then do not use it for the Sisters Rihino as well.
phillv85 wrote: He speculated on the contents of the box. He thinks the codex will be the limited edition version. Models wise he expects a sisters squad, a cannonness, a retributor squad. After that he wasn’t sure, but maybe a penitent engine. He said the rumour of there being a 3 woman squad of Seraphim seems unlikely.
Geifer wrote: The Rhino is fine but I suspect a full redo of the army means GW isn't satisfied with the current upgrade sprue anymore. The level of detail of the ornaments may not match the standard the entire rest of the army will have, and more importantly the gunner is going to look obviously inferior to any new Sisters.
Well a redone Sisters vehicle sprue is a given - we've already seen it.
I'm just surprised that people are so torn up about there not being a new Rhino when the current Rhino remains the single most modular thing in the GW range.
Pretty much what Crimson said. The first Battle Sister Bulletin introduced us to the idea that Sisters vehicles would be built on the Deimos pattern. I don't know if that was people just reading too much into the article. I certainly got that impression from it, but since I like the current Rhino just fine I have no reason to express any disappointment over the obvious lack of the Deimos hull in the new Rhino kit.
But whether justified or not, it did give the widespread impression that henceforth Sisters vehicles would be Deimos pattern if built on the Rhino chassis. Hence the disappointment to not see it happen.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
phillv85 wrote: He speculated on the contents of the box. He thinks the codex will be the limited edition version. Models wise he expects a sisters squad, a cannonness, a retributor squad. After that he wasn’t sure, but maybe a penitent engine. He said the rumour of there being a 3 woman squad of Seraphim seems unlikely.
Geifer wrote: The first Battle Sister Bulletin introduced us to the idea that Sisters vehicles would be built on the Deimos pattern.
Did it though? It presented a bunch of parts, parts that some people assumed were a full kit, others upgrades for the existing Rhino.
I think you said it: People were reading too much into the article.
Like I said, I don't know if it was justified. Just that that's how it was talked about afterwards. I don't recall seeing anyone challenge that perception at the time.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
Geifer wrote: The first Battle Sister Bulletin introduced us to the idea that Sisters vehicles would be built on the Deimos pattern.
Did it though? It presented a bunch of parts, parts that some people assumed were a full kit, others upgrades for the existing Rhino.
I think you said it: People were reading too much into the article.
The pieces in that article are not the same than we're seeing in this Rhino upgrade, nor could the have feasibly worked as an upgrade for the old Rhino. It would have required full new side panels at the minimum.
phillv85 wrote: He speculated on the contents of the box. He thinks the codex will be the limited edition version. Models wise he expects a sisters squad, a cannonness, a retributor squad. After that he wasn’t sure, but maybe a penitent engine. He said the rumour of there being a 3 woman squad of Seraphim seems unlikely.
I'd assume the Hospitaller, too, but not the Rhino. Unless the figure of 25 models we were given turns out incorrect. Four Repentias doesn't make sense in 8th ed since the Mistress is a lone character now. She'll be a clampack character and Repentias should be a kit of five (or ten) models. Even if turns out to be a Shadowspear type box, there's a codex in there and the Repentia rules should be based on the eventual full kit. Having an undersized Repentia squad in there would just be odd.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
Crimson wrote: The pieces in that article are not the same than we're seeing in this Rhino upgrade, nor could the have feasibly worked as an upgrade for the old Rhino. It would have required full new side panels at the minimum.
They could be for the Immolator and/or Exorcist kits.
Crimson wrote: The pieces in that article are not the same than we're seeing in this Rhino upgrade, nor could the have feasibly worked as an upgrade for the old Rhino. It would have required full new side panels at the minimum.
They could be for the Immolator and/or Exorcist kits.
Yes, they probably are!
The question remains: if they go through the trouble of designing a new, highly detailed Deimos chassis with SoB iconography, then why not use that chassis for their Rhino as well?
No, people are assuming that these parts can't possibly fit on the new Rhino. There's nothing to suggest that they can't.
People want that to be true. Doesn't make it true.
The side stacks and doors don’t fit on to the existing rhino. The sidestacks on the existing rhino are built in, and the doors we saw are the round Deimos style ones.
ImAGeek wrote: The side stacks and doors don’t fit on to the existing rhino. The sidestacks on the existing rhino are built in, and the doors we saw are the round Deimos style ones.
GW isn't above building some pretty interesting plastic add-ons that change the shape of their designs.
Crimson wrote: We were just discussing the previewed Deimos bits.
Parts you assume are Deimos bits. Part you assume don't fit. Even the FW Deimos is still a regular Rhino with a conversion kit.
So there's no reason to assume that there will be a new Rhino. Hell, given we've seen the Sisters Rhino kit and it's not a new Rhino, that only makes it less likely that there's a new Rhino lurking somewhere inside an Immolator/Exorcist kit.
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ImAGeek wrote: The side stacks and doors don’t fit on to the existing rhino. The sidestacks on the existing rhino are built in, and the doors we saw are the round Deimos style ones.
GW isn't above building some pretty interesting plastic add-ons that change the shape of their designs.
Crimson wrote: We were just discussing the previewed Deimos bits.
Parts you assume are Deimos bits. Part you assume don't fit. Even the FW Deimos is still a regular Rhino with a conversion kit.
So there's no reason to assume that there will be a new Rhino. Hell, given we've seen the Sisters Rhino kit and it's not a new Rhino, that only makes it less likely that there's a new Rhino lurking somewhere inside an Immolator/Exorcist kit.
They’re literally called Deimos bits in the article, so no ones assuming there. I don’t know if anyone means an entirely new rhino kit, just enough parts (like the FW one) to make it Deimos, rather than Mars pattern. I don’t overly care about the underside being the same, as it’s just a plastic slab. We know there’s not a new rhino now, but the first article made it seem like there would be.
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Whether it is a full new kit or just Deimos side panels, the question remains the same. Why not use them for the Rhino?
Also, if you look at the current Rhinos sprues, from production perspective it doesn't make much sense to keep the old sprues if you're replacing the doors and sidepanels anyway.
Crimson wrote: Whether it is a full new kit or just Deimos side panels, the question remains the same. Why not use them for the Rhino?
They might want the 'bigger' tanks to look different. Who knows?
Crimson wrote: Also, if you look at the current Rhinos sprues, from production perspective it doesn't make much sense to keep the old sprues if you're replacing the doors and sidepanels anyway.
Didn't stop them with the Hunter. And why make an entirely new tank from scratch when making one that fits with the existing chassis is easier and more cost effective?
Now I don't know about you, but that upgrade sprue has none of the older bits shown off. In fact, that corner, the doors and the stacks won't even fit on the old Rhino (the corner has a bit sticking out that would hit the stack, the doors can't cover the rectangular hole and the stacks are integrated into the side panel). Besides, in the first post GW says:
The new vehicles being designed for the Adepta Sororitas represent the more antiquated Deimos-pattern Rhino STC.
Followed by:
Another feature of the Deimos-pattern Rhino chassis is...
So here, GW clearly states Deimos chassis, which does not imply a simple upgrade sprue to me.
Even if the new rhino is just mars pattern, it seems to me that there will be another Rhino that uses all those Deimos bits. My conclusion is that the Deimos kit will be the primary one for all their vehicles, but if you prefer the mars pattern you can just buy it with the upgrade sprue.
Crimson wrote: Also, if you look at the current Rhinos sprues, from production perspective it doesn't make much sense to keep the old sprues if you're replacing the doors and sidepanels anyway.
Except if it saves you from trouble of designing 3rd sprue. Old sprue, upgrade sprue and then new sprue replacing parts of the old sprue that's still used anyway. If they can't fit all the parts from the original sprue into the one new sprue but have to create 2nd new sprue that costs a lot of money.
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Dandelion wrote: Now I don't know about you, but that upgrade sprue has none of the older bits shown off. In fact, that corner, the doors and the stacks won't even fit on the old Rhino (the corner has a bit sticking out that would hit the stack, the doors can't cover the rectangular hole and the stacks are integrated into the side panel). Besides, in the first post GW says:
The new vehicles being designed for the Adepta Sororitas represent the more antiquated Deimos-pattern Rhino STC.
Followed by:
Maybe gw doesn't consider rhino new vehicle?
I stick with my suspicion that the deimos will be used for the vehicles that aren't as ubiquous as transport.
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Crimson wrote: Also, if you look at the current Rhinos sprues, from production perspective it doesn't make much sense to keep the old sprues if you're replacing the doors and sidepanels anyway.
Didn't stop them with the Hunter. And why make an entirely new tank from scratch when making one that fits with the existing chassis is easier and more cost effective?
Hunter sidepanels go over the noemal Rhino sidepanes, the same cannot be true for Deimos. Replacing whole sprues (that's two different sprues on the Rhino) containing the sidepanels and doors (and thus other bits on that sprue) is more cost effective, because then you don't need to print and include redundant sprues.
Sprues are essentially free for GW. It's # of new sprues you have to design that costs. So if they have to design 2 new sprues to avoid having to cast 1 extra sprue bohoo. Doing it like FW and have original rhino + additional parts is fast much more cost effective.
Battle Sister Bulletin – Part 17: Capital Punishment… on Legs!
In this Battle Sister Bulletin, we’re checking in with everyone’s favourite execution machine of excruciating death – the Penitent Engine! This particular model features in the Adepta Sororitas: Sisters of Battle Army Set, which is on its way in November, so today we’re taking a closer look at the miniature’s incredible design. But before we do, let’s remind ourselves exactly what these horrific creations are all about…
What We Know
Life in the 41st Millennium is pretty bleak at best, but to delve into the background of the Penitent Engine is to gaze into some of the very grimmest and darkest parts of the far future. Brace yourself – this is not for the faint of heart!
The Ecclesiarchy is unflinching in its punishment of those who commit crimes against the Emperor.* Those judged guilty of the most heinous acts of treachery and betrayal are condemned to die – not by the executioner’s blade, nor even by immolation at the stake,** but as the pilot of a Penitent Engine…
Once wired into the Penitent Engine’s crucible, the convict is as good as dead, for once they are neurally bonded there’s no coming back from the physical and mental trauma inflicted upon them by the machine’s torment amplifiers.*** From that point onwards, the hapless sinner becomes little more than a pain-fuelled berserker, wildly lashing out at cruelly engineered projections of their own crimes as they seek desperate penance in an apoplectic, terminal rampage.****
For their part, the Adepta Sororitas often make use of Penitent Engines. Not only do the Battle Sisters see it as their solemn duty to witness the punishment of the condemned, but the wanton destruction that the Penitent Engines can unleash makes them highly effective – but entirely expendable – auxiliary assets.
The Model
The Penitent Engine is a lethal device – both for its unfortunate pilot and those facing it in battle. It shares the aesthetics of a crude torture machine, with wrought iron and wooden elements layered on top of its otherwise minimalist structure. Given the intentionally disposable nature of the Penitent Engine’s occupant, every expense will have been spared in its construction, the one embellishment being the Ecclesiarchy symbol at its crown.
The Penitent Engine’s hollow main alcove – referred to as a crucible – is designed to accommodate its condemned occupant in whatever torturous stress position they’re bound in.***** Judging by his curled fingers and toes, not to mention the pained expression on his face, it’s fair to say this particular prisoner looks… less than comfortable! His emaciated body and ragged clothing also imply that he’s been incarcerated for some time, waiting on death row for his appointed time of execution in battle.
A visor covers the scalp and eyes of the Penitent Engine’s occupant,****** through which he is neurally overstimulated with pain via a series of umbilical cables, while racks of stimms and combat drug injectors run the length of his spinal column. Around his neck, a heavy weight has been hung, bearing his penitent number. There is no lock and key for his neck clamp – once it’s fastened, that’s it!
Even though the Penitent Engine has a stripped-down aesthetic for massed production, the weaponry is still more advanced than the crude buzz-saws and burnas of Ork Deff Dread and Killa Kans. The circular blades, in particular, feature deep indentations to ensure that they won’t get clogged up with viscera or the torn hulls of the Penitent Engine’s victims.
You can look forward to getting your own Penitent Engine in the Adepta Sororitas: Sisters of Battle Army Set later this year. Until then, make sure you’ve got the existing plastic miniatures, Celestine and Amalia Novena, painted in readiness for the new models. We’ll be back in a couple of weeks with your next Battle Sister Bulletin.
* As the saying goes: ‘To err once is human; to err twice is treachery.’
** Those methods are so 40,000 years ago!
*** To be fair, we doubt they’d want to after what they go through!
**** We recommend staying at a safe distance at this point.
***** Being bound to a wooden beam in this manner was apparently called ‘planking’ – and no, you wouldn’t want to post a picture online if you’re planking like this…
****** We like to think he’s in his happy place… but we somehow doubt it!
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