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I have to go with the Vanquisher on this one. Multi-Melta side sponsons and a hull lascannon make for such juicy anti armour firepower I cant resist!

Assuming a big bad battle, I'm goin with the Demolisher, with hull lascannon and sponson plasma cannons, heavy stubber, hunter-killer missile, dozer blade, extra armour and camo netting. Anti-everything and beefy armour, with maximum mobility.

At 345 pts he's pretty much in command of the army and will sit back, looking fluffy and opening up turn one with the HK and likely also the BS4 LC at 48", adding the PC's and HS at 36", with the heavy pieplate firing at 24". If he's sitting still it's everything at 24". If the target is infantry, the extra inch you correct the scatter by really helps the 3 blast plates (33% is significant, and the pieplate is already 3" radius). If the target is a vehicle, scatter correction + Crack Shot means it's pretty much toast. Anti-Vehicle at all ranges, and good anti-infantry (elite or horde) starting at 36", devastating at 24".

Extra Armour and Dozer Blade because it's Pask, and also so that he can be more reliable at moving to a better firing position or away from assaulting PF's/PK's, even through terrain or while stunned. Sometimes while moving he'll pop off a shot with one of his four cannons and the heavy stubber, sometimes he'll pop smoke and/or cruise. Camo netting because it's Pask, and because the unit is probably the most expensive - and powerful - in the army anyways so less than 10% more pts to give it increased survivablity is worth it I think.

You really should have an option for not using him ever, but if I had to pick i'd pick the punisher. The extra BS point is worth it.

Punisher or Vanquisher, depending on whether you want to hunt MCs or Vehicles. Pask makes these mediocre vehicles a fraction more useful.

Lord Bingo wrote:You really should have an option for not using him ever...

Agreed, replacing him with a genaric +1 BS "veteran crew" upgrade would have been much more useful.

You don't think the Tank Ace ability is also useful?

I don't, it is useless for most of the russes anyway as most are best for attacking infantry, not veichles.

What about an Exterminator with hull LC? More shots @ BS 4 +1S if stationary... Good against anything less than AV14

A Pask Punisher is just too cool to pass up, I know the punisher is a VERY niche use, but I think that making someone make that many armour saves would be hilarious. Also 1+BS for pie plates is not that useful, or at least not 30 points useful (I think that's how much he is)

Either a Punisher or Vanquisher:
Vanq w/LC
Punisher w/3 HB, HS

Hello, I voted for Vanquisher also. Usually, it's a barely competitive version of Leman Russ. Add-in multi-melta sponsons, and its effectiveness rises nicely. Especially against SM / CSM, and their big threats of 1st turn : hatred-loaded Rhinos under smoke (or Land Raiders).

Haven't tested with Pask for the moment, but he has the potential to make this tank shine, and make it very powerful against Land Raiders. It's a pricey combinaison though.

Pask in a Vanquisher, in a squad with another Russ. Both have Lascannons. Vanquisher shell, two Lascannon shots (one at BS4) and then whatever it is you drop the pieplate on it. Nice way to get some anti-tank in your list without resorting to Vandettas, Meltaguns, etc.

How is this one called with the 20 turret shots?

For not knowing that and still posting, you shall be PUNISHED.
Was the hint good enough?

Voted for Punisher also. For obvious reasons.

Lord Bingo wrote:I don't, it is useless for most of the russes anyway as most are best for attacking infantry, not veichles.

exactly my point

but yeah make a paskquisher, the only good option...and a PRETTY good one actually as long as friendly countercharge units are around the tank

The most surprising thing here is that not a single person voted for a generic battle tank. But I find Pask in the standard LR is the perfect all-rounder. It usually follows the vanquisher in choice of tank to upgrade

I don't, it is useless for most of the russes anyway as most are best for attacking infantry, not veichles.

By and large I agree with the exception of the vanquisher, I shoot most of the tanks at infantry most of the time. Pask just adds a "oh crap I have nothing else to shoot at that tank" option and to me thats worth 50 points

Punisher or Vanquisher. But it really depends on your needs. Heavy 20 that hits on 3's is good stuff. I always love the look on my opponents face when I pull out 20 dice for one shot.

I've had some scary visions about Pask in an Exterminator. 4 TL BS4 S8 shots, and a BS4 S10 shot for 215 points. It'll kill literally anything short of a Landraider, all from 48" away. At that range, nothing can hurt it back.

I have used pask in an exterminator as well, and ya, AV 12 and below gets chewed up and spat out, but its inability to really deal with land raiders kind of turns me off especially when my friend likes to take one or three

Well, in a pinch you can fairly easily get a glancing hit on a Landraider. You just need to rely on that S10 shot more heavily on AV13+. The Autocannons will maim the tank regardless, but if that shot gets through its the killing blow.

I decided to do the math, and this tank is as effective against AV12, and more so against AV13+, as a full Hydra Flak Battery, but not anywhere near as vulnerable. The Flak Battery is better against Rhinos and below (although the Exterminator does well enough to almost guarantee a kill as well), and the Flak Battery does better against infantry.

Well, in a pinch you can fairly easily get a glancing hit on a Landraider. You just need to rely on that S10 shot more heavily on AV13+. The Autocannons will maim the tank regardless, but if that shot gets through its the killing blow.

I decided to do the math, and this tank is as effective against AV12, and more so against AV13+, as a full Hydra Flak Battery, but not anywhere near as vulnerable. The Flak Battery is better against Rhinos and below (although the Exterminator does well enough to almost guarantee a kill as well), and the Flak Battery does better against infantry.

Ok well I am an old school guard player, I have the old exterminator model with the metal heavy bolter, which back then that many shots from one tank was like WOW! As for the Hydras I actually have 3, and I love them. I think having 3 tanks makes them more survivable then the 1 exterminator. I guess what it really comes down to is that pask in an exterminator is awesome, and three hydras are awesome, pask in a vanquisher is also awesome, 3 basilisks again Volkov approved, the Griffon! The little giant mortar that could! So many good choices so few heavy support slots...Each have just a slightyl different niche to fill. I would base my decision on whether to take an exterminator or hydras on who I was fighting. Tau= exterminator+pask (to deal with the hammerheads as well as the firewarriors) Eldar=hydra. But in a tournament setting you dont know that, so it all boils down to personal bias I guess

There are a few really good choices but I went with the punisher simply because of how much Pask adds to it. Pask turns 29 bs3 shots into 29 bs4 shots, adding an extra six or seven hits each turn.

Also I wouldn't really consider taking a punisher without Pask so that weighs in on my desicion.

Punisher is a cool tank but honestly there is nothing better than a bog standard Russ. I mean it even has sideskirts now. Maybe if the Punisher was twin-linked, with the points premium.

Pask=Vanquisher imo. If some disease of mind should ever make me spend those points then a vanquisher would be my choice.