Why fight for the emperor?

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**Emperors Faithful**

Shame on you! An Imperial Fist badmouthing the Emperor!

**Morgrim**

*prods*

I thought the order of interrogation was meant to be:
1) Introduce yourself as an Inquisitor. Many will talk at this point.
2) Explain in great detail what the other stages are. Most will talk by now.
3) and beyond: Start doing what you explained in 2), until talking occurs or the subject dies.

I see EF prefers skipping straight to 3).
... granted, there are some that it seems that 2) may have a mild chance, and 3) itself isn't so bad... later stages not so much.

**the_ferrett**

No, Ef likes to get his converted minions to silence the 'heretics'.

**KOS**

Emperors Faithful wrote:Shame on you! An Imperial Fist badmouthing the Emperor!

LOL

well in the end this is the "truth" with all the BG mess we have in 40k... or at least is what I think is the truth.

EDIT

@ Morgrim = I think that Inquisitors rarely talk to their victims... they just go, attack, unleash the punishing and perhaps then, ask questions.

**Cambak**

Emperors Faithful wrote:That Abbadon has failed 13 times says more about Abbadon than it does about the Imperium.

Are you, sir, trying to say that chaos and we suck on Equal levels???

THAT IS HERESY!

*climes into a Hell hound and lets loose an inferno!!!! on the chaos posers

*

**alchemistfalling**

United we stand and divided we fall!

and.... 'cus hes da empauha.

**Emperors Faithful**

Cambak wrote:
Emperors Faithful wrote:That Abbadon has failed 13 times says more about Abbadon than it does about the Imperium.

Are you, sir, trying to say that chaos and we suck on Equal levels???

THAT IS HERESY!

*climes into a Hell hound and lets loose an inferno!!!! on the chaos posers *

Not really. The Imperium is awesome. That's common knowledge. The fact that Abbadon has failed 13 times points more to him being a loser than anything else.

**Morgrim**

It doesn't prove the Imperium is awesome, it proves the defences around Cadia are awesome. The Imperium seems to focus all of its attention on that and ignore the other threats.

Granted, the risk of chaos pouring out and laying waste to stuff is still a considerable threat and worth countering, especially when you have a convenient bottleneck to do so. Now if only they could replicate that success elsewhere they make actually prove themselves worthy of not being called animals...

**rockabill-gr**

i dont agree with that.
the imperium constantly fights against the other races and has won certai victories.
for example armagedon.

**Emperors Faithful**

Calling Armageddon a victory isn't the most accurate statement one could make. It was more like the Orks failed, rather than the Imperium winning.

The Sabbat Crusades are moreso a victory. Anywhere that the Imperium GAINS ground should be considered a victory.

**1hadhq**

Emperors Faithful wrote:Calling Armageddon a victory isn't the most accurate statement one could make. It was more like the Orks failed, rather than the Imperium winning.

Orks failed?

They got routed again, as usual, and i do believe the actual fluff keeps Armageddon as a constant theatre of war.

The macharius crusade seems to be a win. 1000 worlds won.

**Emperors Faithful**

That was while ago. The (2nd) Sabbat Crusade is more recent.

**rockabill-gr**

ok how about when the ultramarines defeated the biel-tan army? (dont remember the name of the battle)
magneus calgar defeated an avatar singel-handed (a thing which i think its a kind of overeaction from the guys that made the codex. ok you're the chapter master so what? you cant kill that beast by taking his sword and slashing through him!!)

**1hadhq**

Imperial Guard victories:

- 930.M41 catachans blasting ork to hell

- 937.M41 cadians destroying tyranid fleet

- 948.M41 straken exterminates the L'huxarxi

- 996.M41 chenkov annihilating parts of tyranid hive fleet

- 4105999.M41 Marbo killing an ork gargant singlehandedly

- 3789999.M41 Vostroyans victorious against eldar

- 5985999.M41 catachan sniper kills a prominent T'au leader

which T'au could this be?

and thats just the late M41....

**Emperors Faithful**

Actually, when we heard about this at our club we experimented and found that Marneus and the Avatar (despite the points difference) are fairly evenly matched.

**LordOfTheSloths**

Ronin-Sage wrote:I would fight for the Emperor because it's the right thing to do. It's pretty much that simple.

Granted, the beaucracy of the modern Imperium is more or less a bastardization of what the Emperor strove for, but if you break everything down, the Emperor is, imo, the only truly "good" deity in the 40k universe.

Personally, I like to believe that the Emperor in the 40k universe is himself not a singular deity, but the physical manifestation of a greater power(to make parallels to Christianity, Christ ~> Emperor; Holy Spirit ~> Emperor's Light+conscience in general; Creator ~> ??).

And of course, it really depends on the author of the fictional work on how good and god-like the Emperor is.

The only "good" deity?

Rubbish. The Emperor is nothing but Josef Stalin with psychic powers. See "The Last Church." As for being a deity, he's nothing of the sort. He's certainly not all-powerful, nor is he all-knowing. He didn't even know that his boy Horus was gunning for him. And being for all intents and purposes dead and locked up in a machine is as un-godlike as you can get.

My own DIY SM chapter fights for him because they wouldn't exist without him and because they sympathize with the oppressed masses of humanity, but in their hearts they know he's just a dead man sitting.

**lordrevege**

Why fight for the emperor you ask?
So you can die in a mass grave, sacrificing all you have so some giant corpse can continue to rot away uncontested.
Sounds good right?

**Corey85**

There really are not a lot of options. You could always head over to the Tau, but I don't think they have a god. So you've got Chaos, having your soul eaten by the Necrons, indifference from the Eldar, death and torture from the Dark Eldar, death at the hands of the Nids/Orks. At least you could lie to yourself and say the Emperor will look after you in death...

**sniperjolly**

Solorg wrote:Why fight for the Emperor? Here's why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl7m7gBp_XY&feature=related

Sooo weird, I was listening to the Red Army Choir verion of the USSR's anthem when I clicked this link o_O

**Morgrim**

lordrevege wrote:Why fight for the emperor you ask?
So you can die in a mass grave, sacrificing all you have so some giant corpse can continue to rot away uncontested.
Sounds good right?

Hear hear!

**Emperors Faithful**

Awesome right?

**Morgrim**

That wasn't encouragement to actually do it, it was pointing out how illogical it is. Or could be read as from an outsider's point of view, at least. *shrugs* I suppose worshipping someone who used to be powerful but is now brain dead doesn't do any more harm than worshipping someone that doesn't exist in the first place. I suppose asking for a god that is actually decent to worship doesn't fit into the whole grimdark, though.

**the_ferrett**

Armageddon a failure? O.O The whole object of Armageddon was to create an endless war. Just because endless war doesn't make sense to the Imperium....

**LordOfTheSloths**

Corey85 wrote:There really are not a lot of options. You could always head over to the Tau, but I don't think they have a god. So you've got Chaos, having your soul eaten by the Necrons, indifference from the Eldar, death and torture from the Dark Eldar, death at the hands of the Nids/Orks. At least you could lie to yourself and say the Emperor will look after you in death...

The best option: become a rogue trader and get as far away from the Imperium as possible.

**Cambak**

Solorg wrote:Why fight for the Emperor? Here's why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl7m7gBp_XY&feature=related

Brain washing complete.... *drools*

**SideEffect46**

Oh no! We lost Cambak! Must show him propaganda of daemonettes!

**Morgrim**

SideEffect46 wrote:Oh no! We lost Cambak! Must show him propaganda of daemonettes!

You're a child of the dark city, you should know to never send people to She Who Thirsts, the Great Enemy, the one who has a nasty habit of eating us and condemning us to an eternity of torture.

Send him images of wyches instead. Offer to take him to the arena and introduce him to them.

Although I will grant that should I be weaker in will, that video would have been enough to make me consider changing my loyalties...

**Llamahead**

That video is pure genius. Why should I die for the Emperor better to ask why not?

**IvanTih**

Here are several reasons:
1.)Your soul won't be devoured by chaos gods,they will torture you for eternity(maybe except for Nurgle),having be absorbed by the Emperor your soul won't be tortured(maybe),
2.)He created the Imperium,without the Imperium,majority of humanity would be exterminated by nids or necrons,enslaved by orks and dark eldar and be a plaything to chaos gods.
3.)He makes warp travel easier to do,without him warp jumps would be much slower because astropaths would have difficulty navigation without some kind of beacon.

**SideEffect46**

Morgrim wrote:
SideEffect46 wrote:Oh no! We lost Cambak! Must show him propaganda of daemonettes!

You're a child of the dark city, you should know to never send people to She Who Thirsts, the Great Enemy, the one who has a nasty habit of eating us and condemning us to an eternity of torture.

Send him images of wyches instead. Offer to take him to the arena and introduce him to them.

Although I will grant that should I be weaker in will, that video would have been enough to make me consider changing my loyalties...

My mistake, yes send him to the Wyches they should get him back on track.....