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I would like to step some one up to the plate.

The:



How come when I look up pics for Cylons a pic of Boba Fett pops up?

When the Nids decide to come to our galaxy for real, at that point, the Imperium has a real problem.

Cambak wrote:I would like to step some one up to the plate.

The:



How come when I look up pics for Cylons a pic of Boba Fett pops up?

They can't even kill one Battlestar unless they hack it! And obviously the IoM can defeat the 12 colonies.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Cambak wrote:I would like to step some one up to the plate.

The:



How come when I look up pics for Cylons a pic of Boba Fett pops up?

They can't even kill one Battlestar unless they hack it! And obviously the IoM can defeat the 12 colonies.

Irrelevant plot hook.

If the entire series wasn't about the colonies finding a new Earth the Cylons would so kick their ass's.

Cambak wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Cambak wrote:I would like to step some one up to the plate.

The:



How come when I look up pics for Cylons a pic of Boba Fett pops up?

They can't even kill one Battlestar unless they hack it! And obviously the IoM can defeat the 12 colonies.

Irrelevant plot hook.

If the entire series wasn't about the colonies finding a new Earth the Cylons would so kick their ass's.

Nope, a Battlestar can stand toe to toe with a Base Ship and win. It takes several Base Ships to make the oldest battlestar in the fleet sweat. The part were they use hacking to destroy humanity is the irelevant plot point.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Cambak wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Cambak wrote:I would like to step some one up to the plate.

The:



How come when I look up pics for Cylons a pic of Boba Fett pops up?

They can't even kill one Battlestar unless they hack it! And obviously the IoM can defeat the 12 colonies.

Irrelevant plot hook.

If the entire series wasn't about the colonies finding a new Earth the Cylons would so kick their ass's.

Nope, a Battlestar can stand toe to toe with a Base Ship and win. It takes several Base Ships to make the oldest battlestar in the fleet sweat. The part were they use hacking to destroy humanity is the irelevant plot point.

Point taken, but what about

These guys?

Never watched Babylon 5. Should I?

YES! DAMN YOU!! YES!

Also, read the foundation saga, it's what some of the fluff for the Imperium of Man is based of.

IvanTih wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:
Neither matter nor highly-concentrated energy could normally penetrate a shield. When shields are "up," or energized at a high level, most matter or energy that comes into contact with the shields will be harmlessly deflected away.

There's a difference between "most matter" and the broadside payload of Retribution Class Battleship. And ramming a Federation ship with an Imperial Battleship (or heck even a cruiser) would be great fun.

A voice reason.
I will continiue debate later as I must go to sleep.

Wow, that IoM vs. The Borg debate really tuckered you out!

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

IvanTih wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:
Neither matter nor highly-concentrated energy could normally penetrate a shield. When shields are "up," or energized at a high level, most matter or energy that comes into contact with the shields will be harmlessly deflected away.

There's a difference between "most matter" and the broadside payload of Retribution Class Battleship. And ramming a Federation ship with an Imperial Battleship (or heck even a cruiser) would be great fun.

A voice reason.
I will continiue debate later as I must go to sleep.

Wow, that IoM vs. The Borg debate really tuckered you out!

It killed my innerself :(

Just to clarify, IoM wipes the floor with Borg?
Yes.

Yipee!!!

Something we've ignored here is the strategy and skill level of the players.

Borg despite their age rarely innovate tactics-wise, and will not destroy a ship of an undiscovered species/culture.

The Imperium shoots first, questions much later.

The Federation has very "civilized" approach to warfare and will try to use diplomacy etc... over direct combat, when engaged in combat they will always, always fight to minimize their own casualties. They're highly empathic to the races that they meet and will offer compassion to the other side in a conflict (bar Borg obviously).

The IoM happily throws billions of lives away in a single conflict just to get the enemy in position for a deadly trap. The IoM is so large they can play this card every minute or so, and the people being sacrificed are more then happy to kamikaze the enemy.

TL;DR - How many ships can the Federation shoot down before they get PTSD, run low on supplies and get rammed to death by berzerk crews?

Master Chief

The one reason I would say the Star Trek Federation would have a chance is the ridiculous edge they have in space.

On the ground? None.

But in space, the Federation can fight at warp speed. Efficiently. The IoM measures speeds in terms of gravities of acceleration. IoM ships would be almost unmoving objects to the Federation, while I would highly doubt the IoM could even target the enemy.

But that being said, the Federation are kinda wimpy, and wouldn't use this wonderful advantage. Even though with it they could theoretically destroy the entire Imperial Navy without suffering a single casualty.

O LOLZ

Master chief.

he'd probably fight for a little while, then leave Cortana for some LRs machine spirit and defect to the IoM.

Sabre Holo wrote:Master Chief

................................. must.................. resist........................ NerD rAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On a serious note, seeing as none of his weapons can't hurt a ship, let alone a space marine... no. not masterchief.
Instead, masterchiefszz get beaten the out of by a hormonal teenage neophyte.

Sabre Holo wrote: Teal'c from stargate

Much better.

Sabre Holo wrote:Master Chef

Master Chef auto-loses to Dark Schneider.

Mattlov wrote:The one reason I would say the Star Trek Federation would have a chance is the ridiculous edge they have in space.

On the ground? None.

But in space, the Federation can fight at warp speed. Efficiently. The IoM measures speeds in terms of gravities of acceleration. IoM ships would be almost unmoving objects to the Federation, while I would highly doubt the IoM could even target the enemy.

But that being said, the Federation are kinda wimpy, and wouldn't use this wonderful advantage. Even though with it they could theoretically destroy the entire Imperial Navy without suffering a single casualty.

I don't get it. How do you calibrate your weapons at that speed? How could you even see your target?

Warhammer 40,000 vs. Dune? Who would win (scaled to where both armies have roughly equal amount of troops? Including fremen with their sand worms. I guess what I'm trying to say is "What would happen if a small force of imperial guard landed on Arrakis?".

IvanTih wrote:

Amaya wrote:So many 40k fanboys in this thread...

How can the Imperium beat the Shadows? The Shadows are virtually undetectable. They will choose their battles every time. They are more than capable of corrupting the Imperium and throwing it into a civil war.

How can the Imperium beat the Vorlons? A certain human telepath altered by the Vorlons is capable of mind controlling an entire marketplace, 100+ people. We have no idea how powerful Vorlons actually are. They managed to convince an entire galaxy that they were angels/gods. They are extremely resistant to energy weapons and as beings of pure energy they are probably impervious to the vast majority of standard weapons. I doubt anything short of a nuke could even tickle them.

And what about the Mobile Infantry of Starship Troopers (just the book). They are faster, more armored, and carry more firepower than Space Marines. I don't know the exact quote, but it is stated in the book that a single trooper can easily defeat a squadron of tanks and that to use tanks against them would be pointless. Leman Russes are no bigger than the tanks they were talking about.

Two things make the Imperium a difficult opponent. The size of the Imperium and the strength of their Imperial Navy.

And you ingore the fact that Vorlons and Shadows acts are pale in comparision of what God Emperor does.
Mobile Infantry may have 2 kiloton nuke guns,but they screwed in space.

Yeah, no. The magic fanboy handwave doesn't work on me.

And how can they even beat the Minbari if they can't lock on to their ships?

But don't admit defeat. The God Emperor trumps everyone and there is no possiblity that anyone can challenge his Holiness.

"Faster than light, no left or right."
IoM ship just have to keep moving and star trek ships won't even be able to target them at warp speed (I doubt they could do it anyway).

Mattlov wrote:The one reason I would say the Star Trek Federation would have a chance is the ridiculous edge they have in space.

On the ground? None.

But in space, the Federation can fight at warp speed. Efficiently. The IoM measures speeds in terms of gravities of acceleration. IoM ships would be almost unmoving objects to the Federation, while I would highly doubt the IoM could even target the enemy.

But that being said, the Federation are kinda wimpy, and wouldn't use this wonderful advantage. Even though with it they could theoretically destroy the entire Imperial Navy without suffering a single casualty.

OK, so I've said this before. If the IoM had a map of the federation -possibly after conquring the theoretical first contact, as the feds coulden't put down even a transport ship without hyper-quantum torpedoes of DOOM- this is how it would go. Every single planet in the federation gets its own personal crusier, virtually similtaniously (as, barring anomolies, warp travel is SOOOOO mush faster than warp speed) and lands a dozen regements of IG, each. 9/10 of the federation dies, of course at least one battle has to be won, because the main charecters have to be on station somewhere. (or else this curbstomp episode woulden't happen, unless the point was to have them return to a theocratic, humiliated federation, and have a planet of the apes moment before inciting rebellion) The feds would sue for peace and maybe even have it, with the proper plot armour. The borg would be much more interesting. While I know that the borg can't become magically immune to frickin' railguns, plasma weapons, and melta-cannons with a range mesured in hundreds of thousands of kilometers and would lose the first engagements horribly, in the prosess of slogging through the hundreds (if not thousands) of borg worlds, something would be assimilated eventually. This either means WTF borg IoM crusiers, or a last-ditch raid on Terra. Either way, the comparitively tiny borg collective coulden't rush the newly re-designed imperial tech into use before they are overwhelmed by severe lack of plot armour.

OTT image removed. I appreciate what you're trying to say, but that was over the line.

... IoM warp travel is faster than federation... pls read previous posts... God, why do you do this to me?

Golden Sabres wrote:... IoM warp travel is faster than federation... pls read previous posts... God, why do you do this to me?

It's safer too! ;D

I'm still wondering how the Imperium can defeat a foe they can't see and that will corrupt their goverments.

Amaya wrote:

And how can they even beat the Minbari if they can't lock on to their ships?

Minbari travel through space lanes yes?
Besides, a cloaking device does not prevent locking on to it. And even then, the Imperium rarely locks on anyway with much of its ordinance.

But don't admit defeat. The God Emperor trumps everyone and there is no possiblity that anyone can challenge his Holiness.

Damn straight.


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Amaya wrote:

Golden Sabres wrote:... IoM warp travel is faster than federation... pls read previous posts... God, why do you do this to me?

It's safer too! ;D

I'm still wondering how the Imperium can defeat a foe they can't see and that will corrupt their goverments.

Who the Federation?

It doesn't matter. I seriously doubt that they have the technology to lock their weapons onto Minbari ships.

And the Shadows would only be defeated by the Imperium if they made grievous tactical errors. Which I doubt they would. They would play it safe for centuries, millenia, however long it takes to slowly eat way at the Imperium's infrastructure before making their strike.

Amaya wrote:It doesn't matter. I seriously doubt that they have the technology to lock their weapons onto Minbari ships.

So the Imperial Navy would be fighting....like they normally do? You do realise that most Imperial ships just throw crap out and hope it hits stuff right? you need a decent enoug officer or relay to get them to lock on.

And the Shadows would only be defeated by the Imperium if they made grievous tactical errors. Which I doubt they would. They would play it safe for centuries, millenia, however long it takes to slowly eat way at the Imperium's infrastructure before making their strike.

Er...whut?

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Amaya wrote:It doesn't matter. I seriously doubt that they have the technology to lock their weapons onto Minbari ships.

So the Imperial Navy would be fighting....like they normally do? You do realise that most Imperial ships just throw crap out and hope it hits stuff right? you need a decent enoug officer or relay to get them to lock on.

And the Shadows would only be defeated by the Imperium if they made grievous tactical errors. Which I doubt they would. They would play it safe for centuries, millenia, however long it takes to slowly eat way at the Imperium's infrastructure before making their strike.

Er...whut?

Yes, it is oh so easy to hit agile ships with out having some sort of targeting array. A piece of cake.

Er....whut? What else is there to say? How can you fight an enemy you can't see?

Maybe you should watch Babylon 5...

Is that what the Shadows are? I have never watched Babylon 5 so I'm pretty clueless as far as their Technology is concerned.

Sabre Holo wrote:Master Chief

hehe... no way, but made me flash on who would.

Halfling and there Master Chef, no one can fight the smell coming off there pits. 3 days later the IoM all die do to posion.