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What? Lances do not go through planets. One lance cannot even take out an escort size vessel. A Standard issue borg cube is 28 square km. They're pretty tough. Plus they can have shields and armour.

Read this.
http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=101576&highlight=40k
Shields and armor which are toys when compared to IOM.

IvanTih wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Battle_Brother_Bruening wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:The novels are really inconsistent man. I wouldn't want to use them as proof of anything, unless you'll allow for one World Eaters captain to be able to whoop up on a disgusting number of Word Bearers.

or some tribesmen with bows take out some chaos marines.

Hahahah very true.... how can an iron dart (albeit with unknown moth venom) take down a CSM fully armored... its like the rain... yeah you notice you got hit but it can't kill you unless you get really really lucky.

Because he wasn't fully armoured. Remember everyone if you get your own suit of power armour wear your helmut!

I think that models aren't accurate representation of SM,because in novels they generally wear helmets.(think of medieval art whose purpose is to make something more glorious,that same for that 40k art in Codexes and Rulebooks).

I'm talking about that guy in that story.

Anyways it's a personal preference. It's very true that Space Wolves almost never wear helmuts. They feel it hinders them more than helps them.

It still won't change the fact that matter based weapons don't penetrate deflector shields.

Give a quote that says that,a source.
Then why did asteroid penetrate the shuttle shields in DS9?
So why aren't they flying around at Warp speed and ramming everything with their no-limits fallacy uber matter-proof shields?
Remember Nemesis when Enterprise rammed through Scimitar's shields?

IvanTih wrote:

It still won't change the fact that matter based weapons don't penetrate deflector shields.

Give a quote that says that,a source.

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Shields

Neither matter nor highly-concentrated energy could normally penetrate a shield. When shields are "up," or energized at a high level, most matter or energy that comes into contact with the shields will be harmlessly deflected away.

Monster Rain wrote:

IvanTih wrote:

It still won't change the fact that matter based weapons don't penetrate deflector shields.

Give a quote that says that,a source.

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Shields

Neither matter nor highly-concentrated energy could normally penetrate a shield. When shields are "up," or energized at a high level, most matter or energy that comes into contact with the shields will be harmlessly deflected away.

Read the above.

Monster Rain wrote:
Neither matter nor highly-concentrated energy could normally penetrate a shield. When shields are "up," or energized at a high level, most matter or energy that comes into contact with the shields will be harmlessly deflected away.

There's a difference between "most matter" and the broadside payload of Retribution Class Battleship. And ramming a Federation ship with an Imperial Battleship (or heck even a cruiser) would be great fun.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:
Neither matter nor highly-concentrated energy could normally penetrate a shield. When shields are "up," or energized at a high level, most matter or energy that comes into contact with the shields will be harmlessly deflected away.

There's a difference between "most matter" and the broadside payload of Retribution Class Battleship. And ramming a Federation ship with an Imperial Battleship (or heck even a cruiser) would be great fun.

A voice reason.
I will continiue debate later as I must go to sleep.

Monster Rain wrote:
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Shields

Neither matter nor highly-concentrated energy could normally penetrate a shield. When shields are "up," or energized at a high level, most matter or energy that comes into contact with the shields will be harmlessly deflected away.

Unfortunately the operative word in that sentence is most the rest of the shot would, in all probability, render the ship combat ineffective.

Andrew

Some one else beat me to it.

A Retribution Class Battleship isn't nearly fast enough to get a broadside on a Borg Cube.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
What? Lances do not go through planets. One lance cannot even take out an escort size vessel. A Standard issue borg cube is 28 square km. They're pretty tough. Plus they can have shields and armour.

Dude thats not true at all!
They are not 28 km!
THAT IS FREAKING RIDICULOUS!
A BLOODY EMPEROR CLASS SHIP IS THAT BIG!
Dude 28 km is too big.

I would like to reference one of my favorite motivational posters about the U.S.A.

Asherian Command wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
What? Lances do not go through planets. One lance cannot even take out an escort size vessel. A Standard issue borg cube is 28 square km. They're pretty tough. Plus they can have shields and armour.

Dude thats not true at all!
They are not 28 km!
THAT IS FREAKING RIDICULOUS!
A BLOODY EMPEROR CLASS SHIP IS THAT BIG!
Dude 28 km is too big.

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Borg_cube

28 Kilometers. Right there in Gray and White.

Monster Rain wrote:A Retribution Class Battleship isn't nearly fast enough to get a broadside on a Borg Cube.

A Borg cube can fight at Warp Speed now? Okay, even then all the Retribution has to do is fire all shots in all directions (entirely possible with it's lance armanent) and odds are one will hit isomething.

Asherian Command wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
What? Lances do not go through planets. One lance cannot even take out an escort size vessel. A Standard issue borg cube is 28 square km. They're pretty tough. Plus they can have shields and armour.

Dude thats not true at all!
They are not 28 km!
THAT IS FREAKING RIDICULOUS!
A BLOODY EMPEROR CLASS SHIP IS THAT BIG!
Dude 28 km is too big.

For Gods sake man, calm the feth down. Enough with the Caps Lock.


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Monster Rain wrote:

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Borg_cube

28 Kilometers. Right there in Gray and White.

28 kilometres in volume not length.


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Cambak wrote:I would like to reference one of my favorite motivational posters about the U.S.A.

What does this pic have to do with anything?

BTW, this was much the same reason that the US was extremely hesitant in planning to invade Japan. Hiroshima and Nagasaki was the alternative in an attempt to intimidate Japan into surrender by bluffing the number of A-bombs they had.

I think you are all missing something here.

"Beam me up scotty!"

All they have to do is beam onto the Imperial Navies ships, neutralize/stun the screw and anti boarding parties, place a small bomb at/near the reactor and beam out.

Does a Ship inside a Tractor Beam lose control of its weapons?

No, it just loses it's ability to move on its own.


it also immobilizes the ship throwing out the tractor beam.

so the IoM ship would, unless the Borg came in behind it, be able to fire back and at the ranges that the Tractor beams work the IoMs solid shot weapons would do some serious damage.

also, IoM ships almost never operate alone.


the Borg can't adapt to solid projectiles, which comprise 70-80% of the IoMs space bound arsenal. not the most deadly part, but certaintly the majority of the IoM ships have hundreds of solid weapons.


also, if the Borg, or any other race for that matter, showed up in the Galaxy the Eldar would likely show up and blast them with everything they got.



Another disadvantage all races besides those in the 40k universe is that they travel within the physical realm where as the IoM, and most of the 40k races, travel through an alternate dimension. undetectable by their sensors.

so the IoM could attack any conquored planets and take them right back.


the Fly may dance around, but he can't escape getting hit with the Semi-trailer sized swatter that is the Impierial guard.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:A Retribution Class Battleship isn't nearly fast enough to get a broadside on a Borg Cube.

A Borg cube can fight at Warp Speed now? Okay, even then all the Retribution has to do is fire all shots in all directions (entirely possible with it's lance armanent) and odds are one will hit isomething.

Impulse speed is pretty fast.

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Impulse

Monster Rain wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
What? Lances do not go through planets. One lance cannot even take out an escort size vessel. A Standard issue borg cube is 28 square km. They're pretty tough. Plus they can have shields and armour.

Dude thats not true at all!
They are not 28 km!
THAT IS FREAKING RIDICULOUS!
A BLOODY EMPEROR CLASS SHIP IS THAT BIG!
Dude 28 km is too big.

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Borg_cube

28 Kilometers. Right there in Gray and White.

Big difference in volume than length and height. 28 kilometeres is not that big compared to to a Retribution class. Plus anyway the Imperail Ships range big time

Cambak wrote:I think you are all missing something here.

"Beam me up scotty!"

All they have to do is beam onto the Imperial Navies ships, neutralize/stun the screw and anti boarding parties, place a small bomb at/near the reactor and beam out.

Yes because people armed with slik can beat imperail guardsmen who have the directly the same weaponry as the trekkies XD. Omg you forgot about terminators.... The Terminators would walk in bash everything in their way. And phasers would bounce off them

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Imperial_Fleet

Volume Schmolume!

You said

"They are not 28km", I provided you with a link that stated otherwise.

Whether it was length width or depth has little relevance.

Asherian Command wrote:

Cambak wrote:I think you are all missing something here.

"Beam me up scotty!"

All they have to do is beam onto the Imperial Navies ships, neutralize/stun the screw and anti boarding parties, place a small bomb at/near the reactor and beam out.

Yes because people armed with slik can beat imperail guardsmen who have the directly the same weaponry as the trekkies XD. Omg you forgot about terminators.... The Terminators would walk in bash everything in their way. And phasers would bounce off them

No teleporting through a shield.

Asherian Command wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
What? Lances do not go through planets. One lance cannot even take out an escort size vessel. A Standard issue borg cube is 28 square km. They're pretty tough. Plus they can have shields and armour.

Dude thats not true at all!
They are not 28 km!
THAT IS FREAKING RIDICULOUS!
A BLOODY EMPEROR CLASS SHIP IS THAT BIG!
Dude 28 km is too big.

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Borg_cube

28 Kilometers. Right there in Gray and White.

Big difference in volume than length and height. 28 kilometeres is not that big compared to to a Retribution class. Plus anyway the Imperail Ships range big time

Cambak wrote:I think you are all missing something here.

"Beam me up scotty!"

All they have to do is beam onto the Imperial Navies ships, neutralize/stun the screw and anti boarding parties, place a small bomb at/near the reactor and beam out.

Yes because people armed with slik can beat imperail guardsmen who have the directly the same weaponry as the trekkies XD. Omg you forgot about terminators.... The Terminators would walk in bash everything in their way. And phasers would bounce off them

If my guardsmen's Flash Lights can kill Termies (Which they have) I think phasers set to full power can too.

Monster Rain wrote:Volume Schmolume!

You said

"They are not 28km", I provided you with a link that stated otherwise.

Whether it was length width or depth has little relevance.

I was talking about length. As it seemed that he didn't say anything about volume. So he mistyped. And usually 28 kilometers is usually referring to length -.-

Cambak wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
What? Lances do not go through planets. One lance cannot even take out an escort size vessel. A Standard issue borg cube is 28 square km. They're pretty tough. Plus they can have shields and armour.

Dude thats not true at all!
They are not 28 km!
THAT IS FREAKING RIDICULOUS!
A BLOODY EMPEROR CLASS SHIP IS THAT BIG!
Dude 28 km is too big.

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Borg_cube

28 Kilometers. Right there in Gray and White.

Big difference in volume than length and height. 28 kilometeres is not that big compared to to a Retribution class. Plus anyway the Imperail Ships range big time

Cambak wrote:I think you are all missing something here.

"Beam me up scotty!"

All they have to do is beam onto the Imperial Navies ships, neutralize/stun the screw and anti boarding parties, place a small bomb at/near the reactor and beam out.

Yes because people armed with slik can beat imperail guardsmen who have the directly the same weaponry as the trekkies XD. Omg you forgot about terminators.... The Terminators would walk in bash everything in their way. And phasers would bounce off them

If my guardsmen's Flash Lights can kill Termies (Which they have) I think phasers set to full power can too.

yes because a crew 500 can face off against a crew 50,000.

Cambak wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
What? Lances do not go through planets. One lance cannot even take out an escort size vessel. A Standard issue borg cube is 28 square km. They're pretty tough. Plus they can have shields and armour.

Dude thats not true at all!
They are not 28 km!
THAT IS FREAKING RIDICULOUS!
A BLOODY EMPEROR CLASS SHIP IS THAT BIG!
Dude 28 km is too big.

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Borg_cube

28 Kilometers. Right there in Gray and White.

Big difference in volume than length and height. 28 kilometeres is not that big compared to to a Retribution class. Plus anyway the Imperail Ships range big time

Cambak wrote:I think you are all missing something here.

"Beam me up scotty!"

All they have to do is beam onto the Imperial Navies ships, neutralize/stun the screw and anti boarding parties, place a small bomb at/near the reactor and beam out.

Yes because people armed with slik can beat imperail guardsmen who have the directly the same weaponry as the trekkies XD. Omg you forgot about terminators.... The Terminators would walk in bash everything in their way. And phasers would bounce off them

If my guardsmen's Flash Lights can kill Termies (Which they have) I think phasers set to full power can too.

Gretchin with a pointy stick can kill a Terminator.

On that note, I'm bowing out. I'm starting to repeat myself.

jeez. 4 pages in a couple hours? You guys are maniacs.

Cambak wrote:I think you are all missing something here.

"Beam me up scotty!"

All they have to do is beam onto the Imperial Navies ships, neutralize/stun the screw and anti boarding parties, place a small bomb at/near the reactor and beam out.

Wait...a handfull of crewmen with sidearms are going to stun their way through thousands (if not millions) of crew members and entire contigents of Storm Troopers specifically trained to fight on ship to ship action?

Monster Rain wrote:

Impulse speed is pretty fast.

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Impulse

At 1/3 light speed it sure is. But where does it say they can fight at that speed? And if so, with how much accuracy?

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Nova_Cannon
I found a weapon. That literally scared me D:

The Atlas-class warhead was a type of weapon employed by the warships of the Imperium of Man.

At the time of the Horus Heresy, several Atlas-class warheads were adapted for space to surface operations in order to disperse the Life Eater virus on Istvaan III.1
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lance
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Imperial_Fleet
Also this creepy thing....
Again. Please read the ships. As you guys have not compared the sheer size and weaponry of the imperium ships to a trekkies.... And not to mention an entire fleet of the Imperium is like 4,000 ships. D:

Samus_aran115 wrote:jeez. 4 pages in a couple hours? You guys are maniacs.

Hey, I just got here. I still retain an element of my sanity.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:jeez. 4 pages in a couple hours? You guys are maniacs.

Hey, I just got here. I still retain an element of my sanity.

Same here, I've only been online for , what? 10 -15 minutes?

Samus_aran115 wrote:jeez. 4 pages in a couple hours? You guys are maniacs.

Thank you for that. I'm going outside!

IoM wins. What evs.

Monster Rain wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:jeez. 4 pages in a couple hours? You guys are maniacs.

Thank you for that. I'm going outside!

IoM wins. What evs.

Thank you. I read the nova cannon thing and jesus gak! Why is it that weapon scares me so much D:

And with that homework time

Thanks. And when you return, this thread will probably be about how Gundams would up titans.

LIES. A laser sword and gun can only do so much against a MELTA CANNON

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Cambak wrote:I think you are all missing something here.

"Beam me up scotty!"

All they have to do is beam onto the Imperial Navies ships, neutralize/stun the screw and anti boarding parties, place a small bomb at/near the reactor and beam out.

Wait...a handfull of crewmen with sidearms are going to stun their way through thousands (if not millions) of crew members and entire contigents of Storm Troopers specifically trained to fight on ship to ship action?

Monster Rain wrote:

Impulse speed is pretty fast.

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Impulse

At 1/3 light speed it sure is. But where does it say they can fight at that speed? And if so, with how much accuracy?

Yes, borg cubes can fight at Warp Speed. All star trek stuff can.