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[quote= On the other hand, maybe GW doesnt care. People are already willing to pay half the price on top again to convert other kits[/quote.]



This is most of my point. I am sick and tired of GW not caring what their customer base thinks. Hell, it almost seems like they are actively trying to irritate the players. Does that smack of arrogance? I guess they think they are too big to fail, and that no matter what rubbish they put out, people are going to rush out and buy it. They have done so much better with recent releases. The new fantasy box and the majority of the Dark Eldar are good example of what they can do when they actually try. The pic of the Storm Raven looks like the had four models on the design table and kit bashed them. Front is a Thunder Hawk, middle is a Land Raider, tail is a Valkyrie and the turret is a slightly altered Wave Serpent turret to hold a gunner and use marine weapons.

plastictrees wrote:I'll buy it because it's easier to modify into a Storm Raven that I like than anything else that's readily available.

Heh: "...easier to modify into a Storm Raven". Interesting choice of words. Implying that this kit isn't the Stormraven, but with a little work could allow you to make one. Doubt that's the reaction to the official Stormraven kit that GW would have hoped for.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

plastictrees wrote:I'll buy it because it's easier to modify into a Storm Raven that I like than anything else that's readily available.

Heh: "...easier to modify into a Storm Raven". Interesting choice of words. Implying that this kit isn't the Stormraven, but with a little work could allow you to make one. Doubt that's the reaction to the official Stormraven kit that GW would have hoped for.

It was one of my first thoughts too. A few things could be done to make it look better within the model itself.

Just remember that the Stormraven can't be fed after midnight and it hates brightlights.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

DiscoVader wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if a decent amount of sales came from this kind of reasoning. Wouldn't have to spend $62 on a Valkyrie for conversions (depending on the final price point, of course.)

Most of the sales will come from the fact that the majority of people will buy a bad official model before they make a good unofficial model themselves. Not to call people sheep in general, but most people aren't like us (which is good, otherwise the world'd be a boring place and we'd have no one to laugh at), so they'll just buy it because it's the Stormraven model, not because a good model.

This and the fact that the StormRaven will now have an official model. Lots of tournaments wont allow even scratch builds if there is an official model. So people who want to play in those sort of events will be forced to buy enough to have.

Seriously chaps, whilst this isn't possibly what our gold-tinted imaginations had come up with, what were we really expecting?

Sure, the fuzzy flyers in the background cover art of "The Hunt for Valdorous" book looked better, but they also looked way too big.

What we have is something that retains the T-Hawk design aesthetic (love or hate it) and the blunt and brutal lines of all space marine machines (Landraider, Rhino etc). Let’s be honest for a moment here - if it was a sleek aerodynamic flyer, this thread would simply be complaining that it didn't fit the rest of the range...

Don't get me wrong, I was disappointed at first too, but I feel it may be growing on me (that reaction could, of course, simply be pity)

If I put on my tin-foil hat of predicting, I see a time where almost every marine player complaining about this model ends up with one in their collection....

I think you make some very good points there, Gordy, especially about some sleek plane not being enough of a Rhino for Marines to fly.

I swear, people, the more you think of it as "chibi-hawk" the better it sits with you.

Gordy2000 wrote:Seriously chaps, whilst this isn't possibly what our gold-tinted imaginations had come up with, what were we really expecting?

Sure, the fuzzy flyers in the background cover art of "The Hunt for Valdorous" book looked better, but they also looked way too big.

What we have is something that retains the T-Hawk design aesthetic (love or hate it) and the blunt and brutal lines of all space marine machines (Landraider, Rhino etc). Let’s be honest for a moment here - if it was a sleek aerodynamic flyer, this thread would simply be complaining that it didn't fit the rest of the range...

Don't get me wrong, I was disappointed at first too, but I feel it may be growing on me (that reaction could, of course, simply be pity)

If I put on my tin-foil hat of predicting, I see a time where almost every marine player complaining about this model ends up with one in their collection....

I think you mistake people disliking it for the fact that it's a poorly proportioned mess with people disliking it for it's artistic direction. I like the blockiness in imperial flyers, it's weird and kinda refreshing (as long as you don't pay attention to the jet engines on space craft). However this model is a mess for dozens of reasons beyond the aesthetic direction. I would also argue against "almost every marine player" owning one of these. It's not in the main of wolf marine codexes after all. It'll get tossed in eventually with rewrites though.

crappest model gw has made... well ever, mabie they used up all their ownenge on DE ):

It is going to take a few drinks to make this bird look pretty...but there might be some potential...maybe...even if it is just for parts.

No matter what GW does, someone is going to fly into a "hated it" style nerd rage.
Personally it looks fine enough to me, fits the aesthetic, and the tail is supposed to have a dread hooked up so... Problem?
Yes, "chibi-hawk" does kinda grow on you doesn't it?

It's so cute!

It's like the Smart Car of the grimdark future!

i kinda like it,but still reminds of this:



sorry for the fugly potoshop

Nah. It's an improvement!

I bet it's really easy to park.

Gordy2000 wrote:
Sure, the fuzzy flyers in the background cover art of "The Hunt for Valdorous" book looked better, but they also looked way too big.

That's because they're Thunderhawks, some of them modified to carry more bikes.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Flachzange wrote:I can only hope that this is another one of those "all youve seen/read is a lie" deals.

Another 'everything you've been told is a lie' deal? When was the last one?

Well, I was referring to Spulk. I admit, that was more of a failed attempt. I was merely trying to spread hope that the chibi-hawk may not in fact be the actual model but rather a horrible, horrible joke!

Flachzange wrote:Well, I was referring to Spulk.

I thought that was what you meant.

And yeah... not the best example either. The whole mystery box debacle was just that - a debacle!!!

Kanluwen wrote:Don't even remotely assume for a second it'd be close to a Land Raider. The size is nowhere near justifying that cost, unless there really is a ton of Grey Knight bits that we're not seeing yet.

Whoever's spitballed those numbers is full of crap, or was confusing when myself and other posted a reply to someone who asked how much that conversion posted in the thread a few pages ago was.

Okay, you made me link another of your "full of crap" posts link for future reference
Guess, I can use it quite soon!

tedstea wrote:crappest model gw has made... well ever, mabie they used up all their ownenge on DE ):

You make Pumbagore sad!

...there's no manticore model right now yes ? Could we take the wings from the 'raven, get a Pumbagor and... no... no, that way madness lies.

ShumaGorath wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

plastictrees wrote:I'll buy it because it's easier to modify into a Storm Raven that I like than anything else that's readily available.

Heh: "...easier to modify into a Storm Raven". Interesting choice of words. Implying that this kit isn't the Stormraven, but with a little work could allow you to make one. Doubt that's the reaction to the official Stormraven kit that GW would have hoped for.

It was one of my first thoughts too. A few things could be done to make it look better within the model itself.

Agree also...that was about my second thought - "hmmm, this has potential for conversion for improvement..."

My first though when I saw it was unprintable.

Padre^.

Relax people. Less than 5% of all BA players use these things, because Devastators, auto/las Predators, twinlas/hb Predators, Dakka Predators, Rifleman Dreadnoughts etc are all vastly more competitive choices than the Stormraven. GW should know by now that codex rules directly affect the sales of a new model (see Obliterators, Vendettas, etc).

The only reason I can see myself being interested about this kit at all is if the Grey Knight version has better guns and/or better armour combined with about 40-50p lower points cost.

haha 10 pages in 1 night impressive.

It does look rather meh! but does also have some possibilities for use for other things. I'll hold off comdemming it until there are a few more pictures.

seriously,whats up with the wings sneaking over the engines thing and those ig design lascannon turret?

it,ill buy an assault ram.for my wolves

I don't know what the problem is. I rather like it.

Ktulhut wrote:I don't know what the problem is.

reds8n wrote:...there's no manticore model right now yes ? Could we take the wings from the 'raven, get a Pumbagor and... no... no, that way madness lies.

Oh my Gog, that kit would be perfect to convert into a Razorgor chariot!

And just for good measure, let's give it a cannon that shoots Canis Wolfborn at the enemy.

And then mount it all on Nagash's hat.

I like it, i konw its abit boxy but we always knew it would be..

I will defo be buying a couple when they are relesed..

jim

Gordy2000 wrote:Seriously chaps, whilst this isn't possibly what our gold-tinted imaginations had come up with, what were we really expecting?

Something like what any one of half a dozen gold-tinted imaginations came up with. Because unlike this, they didn't look like ass.

This thing must fly by doing sumersalts.

I like it, some plasti card to make a box section to the rear to bulk it out and your laughing, maybe a few other tweaks aswell