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He basically confirmed nothing. To confirm he would actually need to know, to know he knew the truth would be to suggest that you yourself were his partner.

Instead he stated past trends where Drk_O flipped scum, yet the role assignments are random are they not?

I'm still suspicious of Drk_O, as should everyone. But I'm also not stupid enough to be persuaded so easily by one post. Really by the looks of it you're just pushing the unwanted attention off of yourself onto him, who is probably scum anyway but acts the same regardless of role in these games. But then most of that itself is based on those times you were scum and led the town around.

Though, he always seems to have the luck of appearing to be scum whether he is or isn't.

I'll put some more thought into it before voting, as it would allow an easy vote jump win for the scum if wrong.

the_ferrett wrote:Why is it scummy to believe you're a bloodythirsty nut who would throw your family infront of a bus to get what you need? (All insults are IC and I respect the lot of you.... just not in this game.)

This was funny though as he kept voting for me to apparently get me to start talking.

n0t_u wrote:He basically confirmed nothing. To confirm he would actually need to know, to know he knew the truth would be to suggest that you yourself were his partner.

You're missing the point, here's the simplified conversation;

Thor: I say we lynch Drk_O, if he flips scum I want to lynch ferrett next.
Ferrett: Then you'll be lynching me next.

So, he fully and totally believes Drk_O is scum and doesn't vote Drk_O? Hello scum team. Do you get it now?

Yeh, although that was meant to signify joking with you.

I suppose there's not much else that can be done about it.

Vote: Drk_O

Either way you've probably won this.

Current Voting Situation
0 - n0t_u
3 - Drk_Oblitr8r (RustyKnight, Thor665, n0t_u)
0 - RustyKnight
0 - the_ferrett
0 - WARORK93
0 - RiTides
2 - Thor665 (RiTides, Drk_Oblitr8r)

0 - No lynch

Not voting (the_ferrett, WARORK93)
Not posted during Day 3 (-)

If the day ended now, Drk_Oblitr8r would be lynched

With SEVEN alive it takes FOUR to lynch before the deadline is reached

Day 3 ends at 1800 BST 20th April 2011 [7 Days 9 Hours 5 Minutes]

Thor665 votes the_ferrett
RiTides votes Thor665
Drk_Oblitr8r votes Thor665
RustyKnight votes Drk_Oblitr8r
Thor665 unvotes the_ferrett
Thor665 votes Drk_Oblitr8r
n0t_u votes Drk_Oblitr8r

See what I mean? I try to build a case against Thor and it backfires.

My opinions the same, I'm certain he's scum. And everyone is barking up the wrong tree. It's what I get for thinking I could protect you all, huh.

I have the compulsion to vote Drk_O just to see what's under the hat. Well goggles.

Must not vote for silly reason......

Fine, no cookies for you!

Explain to me why my compulsion is wrong....
Maybe you might persuade someone in the meantime...

At this point I'm past trying to conjure arguments, all I've seen all game is paranoia and shadow play, which unfortunately for the town team is not my speciality.

As a total newbie to this brand of frustration that you all call Mafia, I don't have ANY experience in former games, or even any other sort of forum talk for that matter, with any of the people here to draw conclusions on.

Vote: Thor

What? You want a justification? *sighs* fine......

Thor's been giving me a bad vibe all game, defensiveness, continual attacks on other's arguments, etc.

While that may all be a part of his gaming style, as said before I wouldn't know anything about that.

My other reason is at this point I've pretty much given up trying to find these elusive killers and am focusing on getting as much entertainment from this as possible before we're all dead.

Darn, forgot to bold

Vote: Thor

*spasms*
Not fair.

the_ferrett wrote:*spasms*
Not fair.

how so?

Current Voting Situation
0 - n0t_u
3 - Drk_Oblitr8r (RustyKnight, Thor665, n0t_u)
0 - RustyKnight
0 - the_ferrett
0 - WARORK93
0 - RiTides
3 - Thor665 (RiTides, Drk_Oblitr8r, WARORK93)

0 - No lynch

Not voting (the_ferrett)
Not posted during Day 3 (-)

If the day ended now, nobody would be lynched

With SEVEN alive it takes FOUR to lynch before the deadline is reached

Day 3 ends at 1800 BST 20th April 2011 [6 Days 18 Hours 30 Minutes]

Thor665 votes the_ferrett
RiTides votes Thor665
Drk_Oblitr8r votes Thor665
RustyKnight votes Drk_Oblitr8r
Thor665 unvotes the_ferrett
Thor665 votes Drk_Oblitr8r
n0t_u votes Drk_Oblitr8r
WARORK93 votes Thor665

Uf da, you've got to be kidding me with this dreck.

Needless to say, if ferrett votes me than tomorrow lynch Drk_O and ferrett in any given order and town still wins.

Also, be thankful scum has to kill RiTides, and be sad they don't have to kill WARORK - make sure you explain to WARORK why you're following this very sensible plan so hopefully he understands and doesn't whiff it.

Thor665 wrote:Uf da, you've got to be kidding me with this dreck.

Needless to say, if ferrett votes me than tomorrow lynch Drk_O and ferrett in any given order and town still wins.

Also, be thankful scum has to kill RiTides, and be sad they don't have to kill WARORK - make sure you explain to WARORK why you're following this very sensible plan so hopefully he understands and doesn't whiff it.

This is exactly what I'm talking about, right here....

Thor makes a point, shouts down everyone else who says anything different and then when things dont turn in his favor we get these condescending remarks...

frankly I grow tired of it. I rest my case.

Well.... As I was saying, tomorrow I'm gone.
If I vote Thorr its because I voted Thorr and obviously I'm scum and should be eliminated.
If I vote Drk_O 2 things happen:
If Drk_O turns scum I'm scum by Thorr's logic and all i did was vote him off to sneak under the radar.
If Drk_O turns town I voted him off to take the heat off myself by trying to placate Thorr.

Vote: Drk_O

Well, this certainly is interesting.

Story

The arguing of this third, long day is barely above whispering. Groups gather and split, scuffles break out, but alone no one man can triumph over another. Expletives fly thick and fast and old allies grow tired and fight amongst themselves.

It is barely past lunch time when a consensus is finally reached. With almost half the group crying for Thor665's blood and almost half calling for Drk_Oblitr8r's blood, finally the_ferrett snaps and looking to Thor665, RustyKnight and n0t_u, they each rush Drk_Oblitr8r, impaling him with their swords. After a second the four of them cry out in pain as each sword glows white hot and Drk_Oblitr8r screams with a pain more intense than any other soul has screamed, until you realise that this creature is enjoying the pain. The four swords melt and run like mercury and the skin sloughs off as the intense heat of the demonic form dissipates into the woods. And the world around you all explodes with intensity. After a few seconds there is nothing left but the slowly cooling iron splattered across the rocks and scorched earth of the clearing.

Your ears ringing, you slowly move away from the site of the explosive end to this evil creature. Is it dead? Or has it simply rejoined its brethren? There's one more of them here with you though. But finally you are one step closer to freedom and seeing your friends again.

For the first time, you allow yourself to hope...

Actions

Night phase 3 has begun. You have until MIDNIGHT BST SUNDAY 17TH APRIL 2011 to send your night actions to me.

Towniiiiiiies...

Hey towniiiiiies!


*ding*

I'm haunting you!

Story Post

So tired. So very tired today. For the past three days you have awoken feeling refreshed and ready to face the horrors of the day, but today you feel drained by some force. Maybe the death of the evil beast has affected you all. Maybe it is the new found hope that maybe you'll make it out of this alive.

Slowly rousing yourself you see you're the first to get up. Looking around you think to yourself that maybe now would be a good time to kill everyone else and escape... no, there are still several good men here. Men who would watch your back in war. But maybe today those good men will be the death of you. You'll face that possibility. Face it because you're better than they are. You don't kill without trial, without your peers by your side.

You are better than them.

After last night you hope noone else is dead. Looking around at the other men that are grudgingly rising to join you, thinking the same things that you are thinking most likely, you let the hope grow within you just a little. But your heart also hardens towards whoever or whatever is hunting you for sport. Seeing the five other people around you, you see that you have all survived another night.

Six of you. Five good and stout men, one evil being. Maybe today you can end this.

Actions

Day 4 is about to begin. You have until MIDNIGHT BST/1AM GMT Sunday 1st May 2011 to discuss and vote.

Good luck all

Well.....that was lucky...

lets see, who would have trucked with Drk?

Oh boy........methinks I'm about to get a whole lot of votes comin my way.

as for me I still have a few apprehensions about Thor, maybe this was their plan all along, to be at each others throats during the day so we wouldn't expect their scumming debauchery at night?

A wild theory you say? To that I would answer: yes, it is a rather farfetched thing but maybe that's what they're counting on.

Who knows? Really I'm just writing stuff off the top of my head, internally I'm wondering why none of us are dead again after last night. RiTides was supposed to be doc right? Then why isn't he dead?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...... I wonder.....

Vote: ferrett

Lack of RiTides dying suggests strong possibility scum gakked up kills night before last and n0t_u is actually scum. Could also just be ferrett tossing up his hands because he knows he's busted.

We've got two lynches left presuming scum manage to kill again.

@RiTides - who did you protect last night?

So according to you I voted off Drk_O.... my alleged partner, for what reason? You already had me in your sights.....

Could be possibly to throw them off your trail, if you were scum hypothetically speaking.

Perhaps Thor they thought you would think that way so left me alone. Or realised how pointless it would be compared to getting rid of someone like you or Rusty. Something I'm a little surprised at.

I'm also a little surprised Ri is still alive, revealing that he is the doctor should have really been a death sentence as per usual.

Perhaps the remaining scum is a little bit dull, dense, dumb, thick, idiotic or maybe a little stupid.

n0t_u wrote:I'm also a little surprised Ri is still alive, revealing that he is the doctor should have really been a death sentence as per usual.

Perhaps the remaining scum is a little bit dull, dense, dumb, thick, idiotic or maybe a little stupid.

This is kind of where I'm at - the thing to remember is this; there IS a doc.
If RiTides isn't the doc then whoever is the doc should have counterclaimed yesterday - they didn't. That means RiTides is the doc and is town regardless of being alive.
You are waaaaay (+1) more suspicious than RiTides.

@ferrett - if you'd lynched me than Drk_O would have been lynched today and you would have been lynched the next - you had to try something to mix it up. You still haven't really addressed the accusation I made at you as regards knowing Drk_O was scum other than to post up some jibber jabber where basically you said "he's always scum" And yet I couldn't get you to help me lynch him the day before as you sat there and glared at Rusty?

I still think Rusty has a high probability of being a shifty blighter. Just in a choice between you and Drk, Drk was the scummy one. How do I 'know' this? The same random gut instinct that's gotten me thrown out at the beginning of most games. The same gut that tells me nomatter what I say or do, or how little sense it makes to convict me, you will. I've been an unknown quantity too long for your liking.

Thor665 wrote:

n0t_u wrote:I'm also a little surprised Ri is still alive, revealing that he is the doctor should have really been a death sentence as per usual.

Perhaps the remaining scum is a little bit dull, dense, dumb, thick, idiotic or maybe a little stupid.

This is kind of where I'm at - the thing to remember is this; there IS a doc.
If RiTides isn't the doc then whoever is the doc should have counterclaimed yesterday - they didn't. That means RiTides is the doc and is town regardless of being alive.
You are waaaaay (+1) more suspicious than RiTides.

I think you misunderstood, I wasn't trying to claim Ri as suspicious, just the fact that the scum hadn't taken him out suspicious.
You can't tell me you don't find it odd that an important town role would be alive the next day after claiming their role.

Either they don't really know about how important that role is, leaving the newer guys in the spotlight. Or they do know and are just being extra cautious and tricky, which to me at least, would leave you or Rusty. What could be a better hiding spot but in front of everyone after all.

One thing that is certain is that we cannot afford to get rolling on any bandwagons without being sure anymore.

Ack! Sorry for not posting yesterday, guys, for some reason I thought the night was going until Sunday (I never did figure out the time zone difference for when it actually ends).

Anyway! I had wanted to post first to explain myself, knowing that we'd be thrown into confusion today.

The rules for the doctor protection that BishopGore PM'ed me when I took LordLoss's place was this: I can protect anyone (even myself) but not two night in a row. I wasn't sure if this was common knowledge, so since everyone was clamoring that I was going to die last night, I played along with it to try to trick the killer (singular now) into killing me... knowing that I could protect myself .

So my actions were simple. The night before last, I guessed right and protected not_u. Last night, I baited the killers into going after me, and protected myself.

I would've liked to not reveal all that, since now the killer knows exactly how the doctor-protection works, but I feel I owe you all an explanation since you were expecting me to die .

That said, isn't it obvious who the last killer is?? I was thinking about it the whole "night". It's GOT to be WarOrk.

He's been playing us from day 1. "This is new, I don't get this... I'll just go along with this vote". He's also the FIRST to post after the night phase ended. Saying "that was lucky" and then starting to hypothesize who could be the killer.

Look at the votes from yesterday! Clearly, it's not ferret, unless he's trying to be an evil genius.

Votes for Drk_O: Rusty, Thor, not_u, ferret
Votes for Thor: RiTides, Drk_O, WarOrk

If you guys still believe I'm the doctor (and come on- if I'm not, your doctor is absolutely EVIL) then it's pretty clear who the other killer is. I do believe WarOrk that he is new to this- new enough that he's caught in a vote with only the doctor and the other killer . Probably hoping ferret would swing that way, which would make things less obvious (and they needed the kill, anyway). I don't see what other option he had, other than voting for and thereby killing off his partner (which really could've been genius, but he didn't do it).

So, imho things are obvious and we're going to win today. What other explanation is there? Probably only that the killers aren't PM'ing kill votes at night (not possible) or that the "real" doctor is protecting people correctly and just not speaking up (imho, also obviously not possible).

If you believe I'm the doctor, then the vote is clear. WarOrk's the other killer.

Vote: WarOrk

Also, a heartily deserved apology to Thor- you were right on, I was being led on by the killers. I had trusted you the day before after reading through your arguments and deciding you were genuine, but the desire to lynch no matter what and the incorrect lynch of the day before, which I thought you'd instigated, led me to doubt. So apologies... but in the end we're coming out on top, this game should be over by the end of the day (sooner if we can get 4 of us to vote, as I think that's still what we need for the majority).

Does anyone have a counter to my logic? The vote from yesterday, combined with what I'm telling you now about who I am allowed to protect, should make this crystal clear.

I just want to emphasize this point, in case it gets lost in my wall of text above. The votes from yesterday:

Votes for Drk_O: Rusty, Thor, not_u, ferret
Votes for Thor: RiTides, Drk_O, WarOrk

It's got to be WarOrk, unless ferret really was backed into a corner and is trying to pull something crazy by killing his partner. But wouldn't it have been better to vote for Thor? If he's the killer and thought he could kill me last night, that'd leave only 5 people alive today, with 2 killers among them. If they lynched a killer, and the killers took out a town, that'd leave the final day with 3 people alive, 1 of them a killer. If they didn't lynch him that day, he'd win.

I don't see how killing his partner, and thus leaving us with a 5-1 edge, would help things at all. Even if it's true, we could get away with incorrectly killing WarOrk, losing someone in the night, and STILL have a chance to lynch him tomorrow.

None of that makes sense, so it's got to come down to the voting (and the behavior today). It's elementary, my dear Watson- it's WarOrk

I welcome anyone to refute my logic... but I'm just not seeing any other possibility.

I don't think your logic is remotely as cut and dry as you're thinking it is, but I will admit maybe I'm tunneling on ferrett.

The issue with ferrett is he was caught;

If I had been lynched yesterday than there's really no way in hell Drk_O wasn't going to be lynched today (unless you all went and drank gonzo-stupid juice) With a Thor town flip and a Drk_O scum flip to consider ferrett would have had a giant target on himself.

What are your thoughts on the slip I caught ferrett in yesterday where he flat out admitted he knew Drk_O would flip scum and wasn't even voting Drk_O? That's a big stumbling block, in my opinion, for wanting to lynch WarOrk.