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Hello,
Up a bit a individual metioned Gamezone Minitures, let me say this the oned I have gotten from them were resin and amazing in detail, also this if offered http://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/miniatures/gamezone-miniatures/gamezone-miniatures-dark-elves-bundle.html for 199.00 this allows you to continue to play fairly cheap while keeping your fluff, they have other models as well including Undead, and Chaos, now if they would only make future armies.

Regards,
Carl

Bought a solid 3 year supply of GW models before the price increase ($1500 or so) that will take my primary army to 10000 playable points, and give me all the options I want for an army for tourneys or whatever. Any list will be buildable for me and I don't feel I need much more than that.
This whole deal really only affects FotM players who need to buy ALL THE TIME and in large amounts. Most people will just buy one box set every two months instead of one a month or whatever. Money value changes all the time.

Soon enough we'll all be geezers. I'm sure there were guys saying "Man as soon as that cheeseburger costs 10 cents I am never touching another one"... Yeah sure. Times change, money changes. Cry about it if you want to, but its just a factor in life.

GW just has a bad way of breaking harsh news.

seanzor.
If you believe its ONLY affecting FotM players then I realy aught to enlighten you.
All products rise at the rate of inflation on average.
People accept this.
However as GWplc have increased prices over the rate of inflation consistantly over the last decade , the effects is, that the price has nearly DOUBLED over this period ,when you remove the effects of inflation.

Many people can still afford to pay GW plc prices.
However, as GWplc sell a 'social event' NOT just '...toy soldiers to kiddies..'There comes a time when vets switching to other products , and new players are being prevented from starting due to prohibitive pricing.Actualy has greater detriment to GW plc than the annual price rise can cover.As popularity carries ALOT of sway.If the percentage of people playing GW games drops below 60% in a club then OTHER systems take hold, and then new players get a better choice.

As the customer base shrinks,(which it, is as sales volumes are falling year on year.)Then those customers left have to pay ever increasing levy to make up for GWplcs inept managment.
Also in conjunction with these negative factors is the acceleration in price increase , due to the distribution of wealth.
ONLY 5% of the population earn over £50k.(Twice average wage in the uk.)
Yet over 30% earn under HALF the average wage.

So when the pricing moves out of one 'wage band 'into the next , you have to double , then triple , then quadruple the price , due to the drop in the size fo the customer base.
When GW are primarily targeting those earning over £50k a year in the uk, a 10 man SM tac box would be priced at £300.JUST for GW plc to continue at its current rate of decline.

So unless you have at least £100k disposable income, and 10 buddues in the same boat, GWplcs inept managment WILL affect you at some point. :

Yeah, but if I buy everything in an army, and then paint it up and play it at my leisure, the worst thing anyone can do is come up with a ruleset that says that my army is not valid/legal in the new rules. At which point I decide that I should playing the 'old version' with my models.

Now if I see a new army every...say 6 months...and decide that I should have this army so that I can 'win' or whatever. Then I either A) sell current army to fund that purchase, B) trade army for new army, or C) fund new army out of new funds. At which point I am definitely being effected by price increases and the like.

Hence why I say FotM buyers are really effected. Veterans can just hold on to the models they have and continue playing.

It does affect more than just the FoTM players. There are many factors there you aren't taking into account.

Such as:

1. People play the game for different reasons. I personally love making characterful and interesting forces. This calls for sometimes purchasing multiple kits to make one unit through kit-bashing strictly to get the right theme or look you are going for. This already took a -Massive- hit when they stopped selling individual sprues and metal bitz, and increasing the prices further makes massive conversion and kit bashing jobs less likely.
Some enjoy painting and modeling more than the game itself, and as such will not be content just building and painting a single fully loaded army and playing with it for eternity. While it's easy to say for those people to go and buy other products for that, I understand the want to stay with GW's mini's for a number of reasons.

2. Stagnation happens. People get tired of playing, and playing against, the same army all of the time. Even if you have x thousand points of y army, eventually some people get tired of playing y army and want to play z instead. Starting new armies is prohibitively expensive as is, and again, hiking prices and limiting retailer options doesn't help.

3. Old rules get invalidated by new ones. So you'll just play with the old ones? But what if everyone else is moving on to the new? It's a social hobby, you have to have opponents in order to play, and many aren't going to try to backtrack an edition when they've moved on to a new one. Hence why there's frequently lots of talk among vets about old editions, both good and bad, while playing a 5th ed game of 40K.


Now, to be fair, none of those are absolute, but the change does affect more people than those who just jump to whatever the big new thing is.

Not sure if anyone crunched the numbers on a previous page but: right now it's 19% already quit, 27% have quit or will after one last purchase, 51% will keep buying, and 3% will buy more.
That means if the 3% buying more counts against them, and we disregard the 19% already out, there are about 29% of people that currently buy from gw that claim they will have stopped by next year. (that is 24 out of 81% still buying before recent events)
If these people actually follow through and don't relapse it would be a pretty substantial blow to gw, the price hike was huge, but not 29%. That is a very big 'if' though.

This won't affect my buying habits.

I'm a man of wealth and taste.

Monster Rain wrote:This won't affect my buying habits.

I'm a man of wealth and taste.

Pleased to meet you.

Your name is.... Steve! Did I guess right?

Dais wrote:If these people actually follow through and don't relapse it would be a pretty substantial blow to gw, the price hike was huge, but not 29%. That is a very big 'if' though.

You're making two major assumptions.
1. That people on Dakka are a typical cross-section of the gaming population.
2. That an even cross-section of the Dakka community bothered to vote.

I think you'll find that the proportion of quitting votes is significantly out of whack - it's very likely that a much greater slice of the quitters will be voting (since they clearly have strong feelings on this issue) than the business-usual-players (who don't).

Scott-S6 wrote:

Dais wrote:If these people actually follow through and don't relapse it would be a pretty substantial blow to gw, the price hike was huge, but not 29%. That is a very big 'if' though.

You're making two major assumptions.
1. That people on Dakka are a typical cross-section of the gaming population.
2. That an even cross-section of the Dakka community bothered to vote.

I think you'll find that the proportion of quitting votes is significantly out of whack - it's very likely that a much greater slice of the quitters will be voting (since they clearly have strong feelings on this issue) than the business-usual-players (who don't).

Yep, people who have some kind of problem tend to be more vocal than those who don´t.

For example, I´m not bothering with GW anymore, and did vote to reflect that.
If I wouldn´t have been bothered by the changes, however, I doubt I´d have even looked into this thread let alone voted that I´d stay.

In the end the amount of people who will keep buying GW stuff will be way bigger than those who won´t.

Scott-S6 wrote:

Dais wrote:If these people actually follow through and don't relapse it would be a pretty substantial blow to gw, the price hike was huge, but not 29%. That is a very big 'if' though.

You're making two major assumptions.
1. That people on Dakka are a typical cross-section of the gaming population.
2. That an even cross-section of the Dakka community bothered to vote.

I think you'll find that the proportion of quitting votes is significantly out of whack - it's very likely that a much greater slice of the quitters will be voting (since they clearly have strong feelings on this issue) than the business-usual-players (who don't).

This is very true. I know three 40K players that don't use any forums, Warhammer or otherwise, and they all intend to carry on buying. In fact the price rises won't affect anyone at our games club at all as far as I'm aware, that's approximately 20 players.

The age range of those players quitting would be interesting. Most gamers at our club are 40+ in steady jobs so have the disposable income, hence the price rise hasn't had much of a reaction above a slight groan.

What country is it you live in, where streets are paved with gold, and everyone wears fine clothes and doff their hats to each other in passing?
Please, pray tell!

Ugavine wrote:This is very true. I know three 40K players that don't use any forums, Warhammer or otherwise, and they all intend to carry on buying. In fact the price rises won't affect anyone at our games club at all as far as I'm aware, that's approximately 20 players.

The age range of those players quitting would be interesting. Most gamers at our club are 40+ in steady jobs so have the disposable income, hence the price rise hasn't had much of a reaction above a slight groan.

Our local club is mainly between their 30's and 40's and in good employment, I don't think any of us are buying GW anymore due to the price...

Mick

In my case, I like the models and the game. I'm not really going anywhere; at least not soon.

That being said, my buying is going to ramp down simply because I've a backlog of models to paint and my two large armies (Orks and Witch Hunters) are largely complete. Future buying is just going to be limited to the pace I can paint at.

I'm also looking at starting something with a little more of a Steampunk or Fantasy bent. That's going to be Warmachine/Hordes, Malifaux or Warlord from Reaper I think. They all seem to be smaller games.

Well, there will obviously come a point where the price of GW products will reach a ceiling. I don't believe they're there yet....but, I think in 3 to 4 years they will be.

At that stage GW will have to refine the game based on affordability.....it's really that simple.

No, I'll stay but buy less.
Didn't start a GK army which was the original plan.
I could afford it but GW's steady price increases as if there would be no tomorrow are really annoying.
Instead, I'm completing my Orks.

Not having purchased anything GW for some years I broke my 'Embargo' with the Grey Knights release , buying the Codex and a box of Termies at a 20% discount from my local independent which seemed a more reasonable price .

The recent price rise has wiped that out , and enforcing a RRP if true would make it even worse .

If GW provide something I want at a reasonable price I'll bite , but that happens once in in a Blue Moon and long ago my Hobby outlay has been spent on other systems

Ive just sold my orks the other day, and have shelved my GK's. Now its mantic and Dystopian war's for me.

Paints, bases, books etc only - rest will be from ebay!

But even EBay prices are higher than a year ago. It is becoming more and more difficult for conversions as people are selling bits that costs pennies to create for dollars per bit.

And the complete BS on the shipping and handlings costs. Naaa. it is their way of them passing to the customer the Ebay "tax" that is levied on sellers of that site.

I'll still play, but I will not buy anything new.
Especially not at GW AUS retail.
Otherwise, I'll just stick to the usual policy of buying other people's cast-offs and stripping them back (I don't need the latest models if the older models can serve the same purpose).

I can also scratchbuild.
My guard is 80% non-GW.
From infantry to transports, to tanks.

Wow.

So today I was at the FLGS, looking at the finecast range. Saw the pricetag on some blisters was $30.00. I realized that I just can't pay that much for a single model without feeling like a complete idiot.

I've finally found my cieling. It's not a matter of not being able to afford it, I can easily. It's just that I can't find a way to justify spending that much on a single model.

Fafnir I had the same experience at the GW Battle Bunker in Maryland last weekend. Played a game of 40K and then wandered over to browse the new FineCast stuff. Didn't see any obvious miscasts, it all looked good but the prices literally make me choke.

I placed Coteaz back on the rack and finished packing up. My IG army is completed, I just need to paint it all up and then I'm getting back into Hordes for my hobby purchases. At least when I shell $18 out for that I get a model double the size of Coteaz and I don't have to buy as many models in the end anyhow.

Fafnir wrote:I've finally found my cieling. It's not a matter of not being able to afford it, I can easily. It's just that I can't find a way to justify spending that much on a single model.

Don't worry. Here at GW HQ, we are dilligently finding ways to streamline the sticker shock of our new range. Now, every model an independent retailer carries will be forced not to sticker an item and until you bring it up to the register, will not be told the price. Instread, the store owner can scan it with an official GW price scanner that will have a direct feed to the pricing department and thus be able to tell you the up to the minute price of such an item (in an unrelated news clip, we will not be announcing future price increases).

Now some may say that is not fair. Well, you can also visit our Games Workshop internet forum in order to see up to the minute prices, especially if you have an official GW mobile phone with exclusive access to our internet domains and 24/7 phone service to our automated help desk, now 100% human free.

Only $9.95 a minute per use (24.95 Australian)!

Delephont wrote:Well, there will obviously come a point where the price of GW products will reach a ceiling. I don't believe they're there yet....but, I think in 3 to 4 years they will be.

At that stage GW will have to refine the game based on affordability.....it's really that simple.

In three to four years, going by this price rise and others over the last couple of years, the cost of the majority of their items will be almost double what they are now. The 'GW Hobby' would be a purely elitest one by then as only those with very high disposable incomes could afford it.

I honestly think the ceiling has been reached, possibly over reached...

Mick

The only thing in years I've bought from a GW is paints. I'm an eBay only kind of guy.

Delephont wrote:At that stage GW will have to refine the game based on affordability.....it's really that simple.

You know it's possible to do this yourself? I very rarely take an army beyond 1000pts and have great games at this level. The key is to keep the units sizes down (i.e. no hordes!) and play around with the rules to keep the earthshattering stuff to a minimum. Whilst I love some of the mega kits released over the last couple of years, I prefer small low key battles with a minimum of craziness. I accept that this approach relies very much on who you game with, but I really can't recommend it enough.

WarOne wrote:Only $9.95 a minute per use (24.95 Australian)!

Hahahah! Ok. That made me laugh.

In honor of the price increase I plan to purchase a CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT.

Monster Rain wrote:In honor of the price increase I plan to purchase a CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT.

I find it ironic how our protesters will be attacking GW HQ with their newly-purchased CRASSUS ARMORED ASSAULT TRANSPORTs!!

Well, I've noticed that GW does no longer offer the Incubi box with metal figures, only the box with resin ones,
which led to a price increase of 5 Euro.
That's crazy.