Game of thrones season 3 episode 9!? [Spoilers]

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**LordofHats**

Not that I know how Martin writes but not all authors are capable of mapping out a storyline. For some it ruins the experience of writing to know ahead of time what is going to happen and they just aren't able to function like that. Most authors fall into that category with super organized story planners being a minority. SoIaF is a big project, and in terms of scale very ambitious. I've lost interest in writing much smaller works. There's at least 20 unfinished short stories lying around here in my room.

Not that I want to make excuses really, but writing is hard even when you enjoy it. 500-600 pages is a HUGE book. Assuming (assuming!) the typical 500 words a page average of most publishers that's 250,000-300,000 words. Most books are not half that long. Just saying we should cut him a little slack. Most authors never attempt anything of that scale. That he's produced 5 books is a pretty huge achievement for an author.

**Hulksmash**

@lordofhats

We're wondering off topic so I won't respond in detail to what you wrote. I simply disagree. Feel free to PM me and we can discuss further or we'll just agree to disagree

**LordofHats**

Nah I can understand disagreeing. Especially since I only just started reading the series when the TV series hit. I haven't been sitting around waiting for an ending since 1996 or anything like that. He does produce those books at a slow pace. Other authors in the genre have produced entire series' in the amount of time it took him to get to book 4.

I just know from experience that while writing itself is easy when you like it enough, carrying a story to fruition is not (and making it really good is harder). Anyone who manages to write even a 100,000 word novel and make it coherent gets props from me

**Necros**

The one thing that kind of bugs me with the show is the whole dragon lady storyline. I'm sure it's important and some day she'll finally get her slave army over to the mainland to cause trouble.. but maybe it's just because of how it's all filmed and edited but it feels like all her stuff is just added in, like it's a whole extra story that would be better off in it's own little spinoff show or something. I find myself really only caring about what's going off with the "main" storyline, and every time they start showing not-Morocco I start losing interest, till they finally cut back to what feels like the real story.

No, I never read the books.

**pretre**

Necros wrote:
No, I never read the books.

Found your problem!

In all seriousness though, it is a problem with the books as well. There are many storylines and we don't see the whole picture yet for how everything fits together. Although at this point, there are some good theories. Dany is very important to the future of Westeros, but doesn't have the manpower or means to get there yet.

**Mr Morden**

See I get bored with much of the Westros Stroyline

- but yes Dany's story is a little divorced from the rest..........

**Breotan**

So, apparently Peter Dinklage doesn't watch the show.

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/peter-dinklage-doesnt-watch-game-thrones-dont-hbo-200000584-us-weekly.html

Peter Dinklage Doesn't Watch Game of Thrones: "I Don't Have HBO"

Here's a twist Game of Thrones fans probably weren't expecting: Peter Dinklage doesn't watch the show!

The actor, 43, who stars as emotionally and physically scarred Tyrion Lannister on the HBO hit, recently told photographers in Montreal, "I don't watch the show." (Dinklage is in Canada filming X-Men: Days of Future Past.)

"I mean, I don't have HBO," the casually dressed Dinklage, who has a baby daughter with wife Erica Schmidt, said in the short video, posted on TMZ.

As for his reaction to the shocking "Red Wedding" episode, he deadpanned, "That was, like, a year ago for me."

In the May 2013 issue of Playboy, Dinklage talked about his "badass" on-screen persona versus real life. "There's a scene in the show when I chop a man's leg off from behind," he said, explaining that the stunt man was an elderly amputee. "He had one leg, so basically I just knocked out the fake leg…. So to answer your question, no I don't feel like a badass. The fight scenes are all a big lie."

In the same interview, the modest actor also talks about being labeled a "DwILF": “DwILF, as in Dwarf I'd Like to F--k? That's very clever. Honestly, I think there's an irony in all of this. I take it with a grain of salt. They'll say, 'Oh, he's sexy,' but women still go for guys who are six-foot-two. It's nice that people are thinking outside the box, but I don't believe any of it for a minute.”

**-Loki-**

d-usa wrote:
Today's episode was a bit anti-climactic, but I guess the red wedding is a tough act to follow. Arya is advancing her story quite nicely though.

Episode 10 is always a more subdued reaction episode to episode 9 in this series.

Regarding Dinklage, it's not all uncommon for actors to not watch themselves anyway.

**rubiksnoob**

-Loki- wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Today's episode was a bit anti-climactic, but I guess the red wedding is a tough act to follow. Arya is advancing her story quite nicely though.

Episode 10 is always a more subdued reaction episode to episode 9 in this series.

Regarding Dinklage, it's not all uncommon for actors to not watch themselves anyway.

It makes sense when you think about it. . . they did their job, and by the time it broadcasts/is released, they've most likely moved on to different projects. If you had a report or something that you'd written up for work, turned it, etc, would you have much of an urge to go back and re-read it a few months later after you'd already finished with it and moved on to other reports?

**Sir Pseudonymous**

Experiment 626 wrote:
Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
Experiment 626 wrote:

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If you thought the massive internet gak-storm of the Red Wedding was something to behold... just wait 2 more seasons.

2? At least 3, unless they start slashing things left and right. And we'll know how that ends up by then too; I'm in the camp of "everything will end up fine because magic".

Edit: My response to the hilarity of the internet's reaction to episode nine:

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And so they spoke, and so they spoke, those fans of Rob Stark here,
Cause now they have no hope for GoT,
Since The Rains of Castamere.

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I can see the Jon Snow thing happening by Episode 9 of Season 5 honestly.

I mean, Theon's story from this season is a book 5 event, and DB Wiess & Dave Benioff have said that they are planning to not actually film book 4 on it's own due to the dullness/lack of action.
All of the relevant book 4 stuff will simply be sprinkled across the book 3/5 seasons.

Plus, I do hope they cut out certain things, like the stupid little female dwarf who ends up tagging along with Tyrion... All she does is cry and whine and lust for Tyrion, then cry a lot more! Just throw Tyrion & Jorah to the fighting pits and that story arc will be improved 100%!

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**Seaward**

I dunno. The episode wasn't near as bad as I thought it was going to be, judging by the reaction videos I watched before seeing it. I haven't read the books, but my girlfriend has, and I made the mistake of trying to watch the first season with her. I'd had every major plot point to the entire series as it currently stands spoiled by the end of the second episode. So, rather than smother her with a pillow, she now watches it weekly with some of her stripper friends, and I wait until the season's over and watch them all over the course of a weekend.

I honestly though that

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was more of a shocking scene than

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Though I'll be the first to admit I liked her character for the wrong reasons, and wasn't overly fond of the Lawful Stupids, anyway.

**Mr Morden**

Bit of a dull epsiode - watched it with a friend - we had both read the books and she thought the same.....

Good to see they got the Wolfs head in

and nice bits with Lanisters - otherwise fairly dull - but then I have little interest in the Starks, Night Watch, the Wildings or the "elves".......... at least the tv show is ignroing Dorne

Dany will burn all the undead in the North anyway - IF GRRM pulls his finger and stops her being soft and pathetic.............

Agree about Ros - shame but then it did highlight how much Joffrey needs putting down.

**-Loki-**

Mr Morden wrote:
At least the tv show is ignroing Dorne

Hopefully not too much longer. If they don't have the big fight with the Red Viper, I'll be pissed.

**d-usa**

I would imagine that Dorne will take the place of the Winterfell focus.

**CthuluIsSpy**

It's a bit old now, but anyway...

**Seaward**

Mr Morden wrote:
but then I have little interest in the Starks, Night Watch, the Wildings or the "elves"

I strongly suspect - again, without having read the books, and having them spoiled for me, that the Night Watch (or at least the fight against the others) is the real focus of the story, and all the stuff about the Iron Throne and the War of the Five Kings is an elaborate red herring.

**Mr Morden**

-Loki- wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
At least the tv show is ignroing Dorne

Hopefully not too much longer. If they don't have the big fight with the Red Viper, I'll be pissed.

Yes but they can just say he is from Dorne - don't need to go there......?

I strongly suspect - again, without having read the books, and having them spoiled for me, that the Night Watch (or at least the fight against the others) is the real focus of the story, and all the stuff about the Iron Throne and the War of the Five Kings is an elaborate red herring.

Well as you have seen from the last bit the 3rd season is definately going that way.........................but the obvious best weapon against icy undead etc is Dany's Dragons and probably the followers of the Lord of Light?

**Seaward**

Mr Morden wrote:
Well as you have seen from the last bit the 3rd season is definately going that way.........................but the obvious best weapon against icy undead etc is Dany's Dragons and probably the followers of the Lord of Light?

I have my doubts she'll ever be that effective. Awesome character, but there's way too much jostling for position in her camp. Everybody wants to bang her, and they figure the best way is being her right-hand guy.

I think the real story's going to be those obsidian blades.

That's all assuming there's even a coherent plan for this stuff and George didn't just make it up on the spot when he had to tell the producers of the show. My real suspicion is that it'll be another Dark Tower, where it's awesome for the first half and then becomes some of the worst storytelling ever for the second.

**Hulksmash**

The books are already on pace for that....The first three stand as one of the greatest books I've ever read in a series. Books 4 and 5 undo all that good work and make it a series I'm barely hanging into and that's mostly because the show is so good.

**djones520**

Hulksmash wrote:
The books are already on pace for that....The first three stand as one of the greatest books I've ever read in a series. Books 4 and 5 undo all that good work and make it a series I'm barely hanging into and that's mostly because the show is so good.

I guess we all have differant tastes. The whole series has been riveting for me.

**Mr Morden**

Seaward wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
Well as you have seen from the last bit the 3rd season is definately going that way.........................but the obvious best weapon against icy undead etc is Dany's Dragons and probably the followers of the Lord of Light?

I have my doubts she'll ever be that effective. Awesome character, but there's way too much jostling for position in her camp. Everybody wants to bang her, and they figure the best way is being her right-hand guy.

I think the real story's going to be those obsidian blades.

That's all assuming there's even a coherent plan for this stuff and George didn't just make it up on the spot when he had to tell the producers of the show. My real suspicion is that it'll be another Dark Tower, where it's awesome for the first half and then becomes some of the worst storytelling ever for the second.

Maybe - the most recent book

Spoiler:

I was really disapointd by the content of these books - especially given how long they took to come out and who was chosen tofeature in them / new POV characters.

re the Obsideon blades - yeah they are cool - but you also need some decent warriors to wield them and they are being killed in the ongoing civl war, although the followers of the Lord of Light seem to have the ability to fight the undead with not just magic but also by bringing back their own dead...........

I still think as its a a song of Ice and Fire - the Dragons will be pivotal

**djones520**

In regards to your spoiler. Keep in mind she is only 15...

**pretre**

djones520 wrote:
In regards to your spoiler. Keep in mind she is only 15...

I was going to say that, but glad you got to it. A lot of Dany's motivation and actions make sense if you think of her less as OMFG DRAGON QUEEN and more like "I'm a teenager and have no f'in idea what I'm doing but am trying to do my best and OMG IS THAT BIEBER???".

**Mr Morden**

yeah but her characrter does seem to shift from a woman who has experienced so many different things by this point in her young life?

I thought she was a little older? about 16-17 by the end of the most recent book? Its a bit like she has swtched with Sansa

**djones520**

Mr Morden wrote:
yeah but her characrter does seem to shift from a woman who has experienced so many different things by this point in her young life?

I thought she was a little older? about 16-17 by the end of the most recent book? Its a bit like she has swtched with Sansa

She was 13, maybe 14 at the start of the series. She was born after Rob Stark and Jon Snow, and they were clearly labelled as 14 when it all began.

**Gitzbitah**

Mr Morden wrote:
Seaward wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
Well as you have seen from the last bit the 3rd season is definately going that way.........................but the obvious best weapon against icy undead etc is Dany's Dragons and probably the followers of the Lord of Light?

I have my doubts she'll ever be that effective. Awesome character, but there's way too much jostling for position in her camp. Everybody wants to bang her, and they figure the best way is being her right-hand guy.

I think the real story's going to be those obsidian blades.

That's all assuming there's even a coherent plan for this stuff and George didn't just make it up on the spot when he had to tell the producers of the show. My real suspicion is that it'll be another Dark Tower, where it's awesome for the first half and then becomes some of the worst storytelling ever for the second.

Maybe - the most recent book

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certainaly had her change from budding queen to love sick pawn of her court which was annoying for me :(

I was really disapointd by the content of these books - especially given how long they took to come out and who was chosen tofeature in them / new POV characters.

re the Obsideon blades - yeah they are cool - but you also need some decent warriors to wield them and they are being killed in the ongoing civl war, although the followers of the Lord of Light seem to have the ability to fight the undead with not just magic but also by bringing back their own dead...........

I still think as its a a song of Ice and Fire - the Dragons will be pivotal

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**Mr Morden**

hmm fair enough - I guess I just have diffiuclty with thtansition from this:

"I know that she spent her childhood in exile, impoverished, living on dreams and schemes, running from one city to the next, always fearful, never safe, friendless but for a brother who was by all acounts half-mad...a brother who sold her maidenhood to the Dothraki for the promise of an army. I know that somewhere upon the grass, her dragons hatched, and so did she. I know she is proud. How not? What else was left her but pride? I know she is strong. How not? The Dothraki despise weakness. If Daenerys had been weak, she would have perished with Viserys. I know she is fierce. Astapor, Yunkai and Meereen are proof enough of that. She has survived assassins and conspiracies and fell sorceries, grieved for a brother and a husband and a son, trod the cities of the slavers to dust beneath her dainty sandaled feet."

to Beiber fan

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Damn now thats what GRRM should be writing towards

**djones520**

She's hardly a "bieber fan". She's just a teenage girl who quite literally has the weight of the world on her shoulders.

**CthuluIsSpy**

How is Dany a Bieber fan? Are decent people considered to be Bieber fans now?

Not willing to burn an entire city to cinders and trying to find a peaceful solution is a sign of integrity, not weakness. It's also a lot harder.

**pretre**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
How is Dany a Bieber fan? Are decent people considered to be Bieber fans now?

Okay, okay, this is my fault. I was making a joke. Dany is not a Bieber fan. We should stop saying that. She is, however, just a teenager. As hardened and world-wise as she is, she just wants puppies and hugs from hunky boys sometimes.