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The worst part about Catlyn being dead is that her actress is so talented and we won't be seeing her on GoT again. Even in her most unlikeable moments, she just had so much power in her performances.

I'm wondering if Frey had planned this all along, even if Robb had gone along and married his daughter in the first place. If so, it would just have happened sooner. I'm sure that he had been weighing his options from the very beginning, and figured siding with the Lannisters would have been the most profitable option regardless of marriage opportunities.

 Fafnir wrote:
The worst part about Catlyn being dead is that her actress is so talented and we won't be seeing her on GoT again. Even in her most unlikeable moments, she just had so much power in her performances.

I'm wondering if Frey had planned this all along, even if Robb had gone along and married his daughter in the first place. If so, it would just have happened sooner. I'm sure that he had been weighing his options from the very beginning, and figured siding with the Lannisters would have been the most profitable option regardless of marriage opportunities.

Heh.

Double heh.

Triple heh.

I hate you guys.

Its okay. I hate me too D:

I'm just too damn awesome

 Fafnir wrote:
I hate you guys.

Yes, Yes, give in to the hatred! Join the dark side !

Boltons are a very ancestral enemy of the Starks. Several Stark Lords have met their untimely ends in the Dreadfort and their skins made into cloaks. Were I the King of the North i'd of trusted them as far as I can throw Oprah. And the Freys are very jealous petty people. If Robb had kept his word I doubt the Red Wedding would happen. But Tywin would orchestrate simply another ambush. Given the mistakes Robb made.

Killing Lord Karstark was pants on head slowed too. But that's just me. I'd probably of sent those Lannisters to Tywin in pieces in account of Ned's death.

 Shadowbrand wrote:
Boltons are a very ancestral enemy of the Starks. Several Stark Lords have met their untimely ends in the Dreadfort and their skins made into cloaks. Were I the King of the North i'd of trusted them as far as I can throw Oprah. And the Freys are very jealous petty people. If Robb had kept his word I doubt the Red Wedding would happen. But Tywin would orchestrate simply another ambush. Given the mistakes Robb made.

Killing Lord Karstark was pants on head slowed too. But that's just me. I'd probably of sent those Lannisters to Tywin in pieces in account of Ned's death.

Yeah, Robb was just like his daddy. Honorable and a decent bloke, but goddamn does he lack common sense. Arya I think will not makes those same mistakes; she unlike her brother has no illusions of honor, it seems.

No. Jaq'uen Hagar. Or however the hell you say that sure left an impression on her.

Shes gonna wind up like an Assassin's Creed protagonist. Why she already has a vendetta in her mind.

Except she's a much more interesting person than Desmond/Altair/Enzio/Connor/pirate assassin man mcgee

It's so awesome reading peoples ideas of where the story will go when they haven't read the books.

I liked Ezio.

Connor and Altair were too one dimensional.

Anyways.

 Shadowbrand wrote:
I liked Ezio.

Connor and Altair were too one dimensional.

Anyways.

Spoiler:

I want to know the outcome of the second battle of Winterfell. Roose Bolton vs Stannis the Mannis

Probably or the poor old man will die before he writes the next book.

 Shadowbrand wrote:
Probably or the poor old man will die before he writes the next book.

Well, he might die before he finishes it. IIRC, he's writing it right now, however, it has once again gotten too long, being about 1200 pages so far.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Shadowbrand wrote:
Probably or the poor old man will die before he writes the next book.

Well, he might die before he finishes it. IIRC, he's writing it right now, however, it has once again gotten too long, being about 1200 pages so far.

I don't think he has 1200 pages of The Winds of Winter written yet, does he? Are you sure you're not thinking of A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons?

Game of thrones is like a Chinese fantasy drama, Episodes 1-4 you meet the main characters, Episode 5 they all die, episode 6-9 you meet random people who become the "main" characters, Episode 10, half of em die with new people become part of the main cast.

However the show and plot are miles ahead of anything thats been on TV for a long time now.

But I digress

Robb stark didn't listen to Dumbledore when he said "The third floor corridor is off limits to anyone who does not wish to die a painful death" and so he had to deal with Mr. Filch

 Hordini wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 Shadowbrand wrote:
Probably or the poor old man will die before he writes the next book.

Well, he might die before he finishes it. IIRC, he's writing it right now, however, it has once again gotten too long, being about 1200 pages so far.

I don't think he has 1200 pages of The Winds of Winter written yet, does he? Are you sure you're not thinking of A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons?

I think I did, actually. Apparently about 4-500pages are done, with only 200 considered 'finished'.

Even if Martin dies before the books are finished, let alone the series, I'm sure that he has enough notes written to ensure that it will get done.

He's admitted he does have, at least in broad strokes, who wins, who dies, and what happens to each character down.

So yeah, if he dies, someone can pick it up. I'm not sure if anyone could really make the sort of decisions he's making though.

 Fafnir wrote:
Even if Martin dies before the books are finished, let alone the series, I'm sure that he has enough notes written to ensure that it will get done.

I read in an interview that the two main producers from the show were told by Martin how he wants it to end.

So, between Martin and those two producers, we now know the three most important people on the planet.

Gods (old and the new) help us if they all get on the same plane together.

I'm still kinda stunned by the whole thing, even though I knew it was coming. I don't think knowing about it or even reading about it can really prepare you for the brutality of the event itself.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm still kinda stunned by the whole thing, even though I knew it was coming. I don't think knowing about it or even reading about it can really prepare you for the brutality of the event itself.

 d-usa wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm still kinda stunned by the whole thing, even though I knew it was coming. I don't think knowing about it or even reading about it can really prepare you for the brutality of the event itself.

Spoiler:

Just stapping her in her belly over and over again was especially brutal.

I think the other wedding would make a nice cliffhanger, but I'm not sure they will get to it. That death is the only one in the book so far where I was just going "heh, well good" and moved on. And they made sure that his death will be even more satisfying in the series.

The royal wedding is said to be episode 1, or at least very close to the start, of season 4. So at least people will start that season relatively happy.

 -Loki- wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm still kinda stunned by the whole thing, even though I knew it was coming. I don't think knowing about it or even reading about it can really prepare you for the brutality of the event itself.

Spoiler:

Just stapping her in her belly over and over again was especially brutal.

I think the other wedding would make a nice cliffhanger, but I'm not sure they will get to it. That death is the only one in the book so far where I was just going "heh, well good" and moved on. And they made sure that his death will be even more satisfying in the series.

The royal wedding is said to be episode 1, or at least very close to the start, of season 4. So at least people will start that season relatively happy.

Only to be crushed later on the season I am sure

 -Loki- wrote:

The royal wedding is said to be episode 1, or at least very close to the start, of season 4. So at least people will start that season relatively happy.

I've heard episode 4. It seems far, so I'm actually hoping you're correct.

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

The royal wedding is said to be episode 1, or at least very close to the start, of season 4. So at least people will start that season relatively happy.

I've heard episode 4. It seems far, so I'm actually hoping you're correct.

Oh, and rumor has it that the producers are after Alexander Siddig for the role of Obryn Martel... (which will be epic if they can get him! )

Yeah you can't have the royal wedding this season, and for a number of reasons.

1. Having it this close to the Red Wedding would dilute it somewhat.
2. It'd be three weddings in three episodes.
(And the next two get spoiler tags)


So I don't see the Royal Wedding occuring next week. I think Season 10's big "Holy crap!" moment will be...